The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

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Joel 2:31

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."
Why is this important? Because the sixth seal is marked by the sun going dark, and the moon turning to blood.
If you knew what it will be that the Lord will use on His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, then you would understand how Joel 2:31 does relate to the Sixth Seal event.
Isaiah 30:26 and Psalms 50:1-4 both refer to the sun, a yet to occur; huge explosion of the suns surface; a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude.

We will see the initial flash of this explosion, as we do see many small CME's, recorded by NASA's SOHO satellites.
Then the sun will darken, as the earth directed mass obscures it, the Moon will glow blood red from the reflected flash and more so later, from the thermolumiscent reaction as it is struck by the superheated Hydrogen plasma ejecta.
It's rather obvious that Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12-17 are the same event; The Day of the Lord, when He destroys His enemies. As both Prophesies specifically state.
 
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If you knew what it will be that the Lord will use on His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, then you would understand how Joel 2:31 does relate to the Sixth Seal event.
Isaiah 30:26 and Psalms 50:1-4 both refer to the sun, a yet to occur; huge explosion of the suns surface; a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude.

We will see the initial flash of this explosion, as we do see many small CME's, recorded by NASA's SOHO satellites.
Then the sun will darken, as the earth directed mass obscures it, the Moon will glow blood red from the reflected flash and more so later, from the thermolumiscent reaction as it is struck by the superheated Hydrogen plasma ejecta.
It's rather obvious that Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12-17 are the same event; The Day of the Lord, when He destroys His enemies. As both Prophesies specifically state.

The last week is a seven year time period.
The middle of the week is 3 and a half years into the seven year period.

It says in Joel 2:31 that these signs are BEFORE the “Day of the Lord(a period of time of God’s wrath) takes place. So the sixth seal that describes these same signs must happen right before the “Day of the Lord” commences. The sixth seal only works logically on the timeline sometime not too long after the Middle of the Tribulation. Each of the seals plays off one another like a chain reaction or domino effect.

The Middle of the Tribulation:
(Also Known As the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):

The Beast Takes Jerusalem & The Temple Sacrifices Are Stopped:
(And the Gentile Nations Will Trod Down Upon the City for 42 Months):

Daniel 11:31a NIV


His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice.

Daniel 12:11a NLT and Daniel 12:11b NLT


From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped... there will be 1,290 days.

Revelation 11:2 NLT


The nations ... will trample the holy city for 42 months.

Midpoint Day of the Tribulation:
(Continuation of the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):

The Beast & the False Prophet Set Up the Abomination of Desolations in the Jewish Temple:

Revelation 13:14-15

They... make an image to the beast, that had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Matthew 24:15-22


When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand): Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:14-20


But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Daniel 9:24-27


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

A Select Group of Jews Flee to the Mountains:
(Which can also be referred to as "the wilderness" within the Scriptures)

Revelation 12:6


And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three score days.

Revelation 12:14-16


And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
What we read in the Olivet discourse is the middle of the Tribulation and not the End. Logically, Revelation 19 (the Second Coming of our Lord) does not sound like the same event as the Olivet discourse. Jesus is coming for His remaining saints in the Olivet Discourse (Middle of the Tribulation) whereas Revelation 19 describes His saints following Him (down into battle). Any trained detective or impartial observer looking at the evidence can tell this. Only those who have a persecution complex and or who cannot do proper detective work are going to conclude the wrong thing. They see a Rapture at the end happening right before Jesus’ return or no Rapture at all taking place. This does not make any sense in light of what we read in Scripture. I think also some believers have a hard time receiving good gifts from God if they are faithful to Him. Part of Hebrews 11:6 basically talks about how God is rewarder to those who diligently seek Him. Meaning, we must believe that. We must believe God is a rewarder to those who diligently seek Him.

To say that the Olivet Discourse is the last day of the Tribulation contradicts the 42 months that must happen afterwards and Daniel’s prophecy of timeline. There will still be months where the Gentiles trodden down the temple after the Lord returns? That is why the post view end times view does not make any logical sense. One is ignoring the framework of the time line (Which throws other verses off in not making any sense).

Jesus even warns us not to say that the Lord delays His coming (Which is what I believe the Post End Times position promotes). Jesus taught that His coming was imminent and can happen at any moment whereby we would not know the day or the hour. We could be caught off guard (thinking He will arrive later), and so that is why we must be faithful to the Lord Jesus in this life and look for His coming at any moment (As Scripture says). If we are not faithful to Jesus in this life and He comes, or we die, we are not going to enter God’s Kingdom (Which same rule applies even to me as everyone else).
 
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It’s a pretty safe bet you are going to know you are in the Tribulation period (By seeing all the stuff that is happening around you). So you can get yourself ready in being faithful to the Lord at that point in time. But Jesus says He will come in a day or hour you will not expect. This yet another reason why the Post End Times viewpoint does not work.

But a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign (Matthew 16:4).

For example: Demons coming up out of the ground. The two witnesses breathing fire. Blood waters. The mark of the beast. All these things are signs that would make it obvious to almost anyone that they are close to Jesus’ return. So a believer can get themselves ready (i.e. to be faithful to Jesus) at this point in time and not worry about living for the Lord today. But Jesus will come at a day or hour we know not. Hence, why we are to be ready (faithful to Jesus) at any moment (24/7).
 
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The "day of the Lord" phrase is about a time of God's Judgment.
While the Day of the Lord includes judgment, it isn't about judgment. The essential nature of the Day of the Lord is his rule on earth. Jesus taught his disciples to pray, "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." The Day of the Lord is the time when God finally answers that prayer.

In light of this, the Day of the Lord is longer than a 24 hour period. The Day of the Lord begins with the run-up to the Second Advent, it climaxes at the return of Christ, and it lasts until God has put all of Jesus' enemies at his feet -- the final enemy is death.

The Great tribulation began at the stoning of Stephan and has lasted until now. The word "tribulation" means, "pressure" and Jesus employed the word to refer to the great pressure his followers would experience because of the faith they believed.

There is no such thing as "the lost tribes" of Israel. They weren't lost in Jesus' day and they aren't lost today.

I agree with your view that the DOL is in our future.
 

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The last week is a seven year time period.
The middle of the week is 3 and a half years into the seven year period.

It says in Joel 2:31 that these signs are BEFORE the “Day of the Lord(a period of time of God’s wrath) takes place. So the sixth seal that describes these same signs must happen right before the “Day of the Lord” commences. The sixth seal only works logically on the timeline sometime not too long after the Middle of the Tribulation. Each of the seals plays off one another like a chain reaction or domino effect.
The 7 Seals all happen before the final 7 years of this Church age.
If you shuffle them, then you are guilty of adding to and taking away from Revelation.

It is obvious from the historical record that the first five Seals were opened when Jesus Ascended, Rev 5:7
We await the now imminent opening of the Sixth Seal world changer.
The Seventh Seal is a time gap of about 20 earth years, during which all the things described from Rev 8:2 to Rev 19:10, will take place.
A Select Group of Jews Flee to the Mountains:
That was fulfilled in 66 AD.
The peoples referred to in Revelation 12, are Christians, proved by verse 17.
While the Day of the Lord includes judgment, it isn't about judgment.
The great and terrible day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, surely is His Judgment and punishment against the ungodly peoples.
There is no such thing as "the lost tribes" of Israel. They weren't lost in Jesus' day and they aren't lost today.
Thats right.
We can easily identify the House of Israel; as all the Christian peoples. Revelation 5:9-10
The Jewish State of Israel, is the fake, Satanic false Israel.
 
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It’s a pretty safe bet you are going to know you are in the Tribulation period (By seeing all the stuff that is happening around you). So you can get yourself ready in being faithful to the Lord at that point in time. But Jesus says He will come in a day or hour you will not expect. This yet another reason why the Post End Times viewpoint does not work.

But a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign (Matthew 16:4).

For example: Demons coming up out of the ground. The two witnesses breathing fire. Blood waters. The mark of the beast. All these things are signs that would make it obvious to almost anyone that they are close to Jesus’ return. So a believer can get themselves ready (i.e. to be faithful to Jesus) at this point in time and not worry about living for the Lord today. But Jesus will come at a day or hour we know not. Hence, why we are to be ready (faithful to Jesus) at any moment (24/7).
To BE ready is not going about looking busy, but rather to know that you HAVE received the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, and walking/living according His divine grace that is sufficient for you, as one of His new creatures in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:8-9. Matthew 25:1-13, Ephesians 4:30.

Many call this present time period, since Pentecost, the "church age". Though that is basically true, in all reality it is the Age of God's Grace, whereby all people are being called to repentance towards God, through faith in the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus, the Lamb OF God. 2 Peter 3:9.

In essence, ever since His Ascension to the Father and the Day of Pentecost, we are and have been in the period of "the judgment seat of Christ". We must all appear before Him in His "Valley of decision" for Him or against Him. This period of time is the fulfillment of KJV Zechariah 14:8, Joel 2:27-29, Joel 3:14.

For we who are of faith in Christ, and have received the Gift of His Holy Spirit, God's chastisement that was upon us, is now appeased by Christ's shed blood for us. However, for all who are NOT converted to Christ, the chastisement of God's judgment of Eternal death remains upon them. John 3:18.
Matthew 10[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but [except] he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (See also John 6:29)
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Every person who does NOT HAVE the Spirit of Christ, IS a worker of iniquity. Romans 8:8-9.
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So then, since ALL of the "good works" that a professing Christian does, and none of them will give aid for one to enter into the KoG, how then does one enter into the KoG,....and when does that take place? John 3:3-8, Revelation 3:20, 1 John 5:12-13, Romans 8:8-9.
 
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I see the Day of the Lord as a period of time (that is still yet future), and not specifically one individual day alone in the future.

I do not, per the New Testament, especially 2 Peter 3:10 with God's consuming fire that's to occur on the last day of this present world when Jesus comes. Even with the "day of the Lord" descriptions in the Old Testament, those 'all' still point to the final day of this present world.

Description of the Day of the Lord:

Zephaniah 1:14-15

The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

That is how that 'day' will occur in our near future, along with God's consuming fire. See end of Hebrews 12 also, which is another description of the final day of this world linked with the idea in 2 Peter 3:10.

Zechariah 14:1 NLT

Watch, for the day of the LORD is coming when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you!

This sounds like the above pieces of Scripture sounds like a time frame or period of time and not just one day alone.

You left out a whole lot of the Zechariah 14 Scripture, so no one can grasp what that Chapter is actually about with just what you pulled out of it. What you did above shows dishonesty in the Scriptures in my opinion.

Zechariah 14 announces the events of Christ's return to the Mount of Olives, with a very great valley forming there, and bringing all the saints with Him there, and it all happens on the "day of the Lord" as declared there. The following verses after that start pointing to His future "thousand years" reign over the nations per Revelation 20.

When Does the Day of the Lord or the Day of Wrath Begin?

We know that the Day of the Lord = the Day of Wrath.

Zephaniah 1:14-15
"The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,"


If you are going to try and quote from Zephaniah to prove your point, you should not leave out this...

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV


When does that above happen? On the LAST DAY of this present world. Even that 9th verse is proof of it, with God returning the one tongue all nations spoke prior to the tower of Babel confusion, and those gathering of the nations at the end in prep for the 7th Vial wrath of Revelation 16.


The Day of the Lord does not come at the sixth seal because we know that Joel talks about the sun, the blood moon are signs that come BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

Joel 2:31
"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."
Why is this important? Because the sixth seal is marked by the sun going dark, and the moon turning to blood.

Revelation 6:12

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;"

Yet, the Day of the Lord is marked with signs BEFORE of the sun going dark, and the moon turning to blood.

Joel 2:31


The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

See that? The Signs leading up to the Day of the Lord lines up with the 6th seal.


The 6th Seal is the last day when Jesus comes, but it has 2 Parts. The first part is about Satan's coming at the end first, pointing to the idea of stars from heaven falling to earth (Rev.12:7-9 event), as "untimely figs". The 2nd Part of the 6th Seal is about the 7th Vial day of God's cup of Wrath poured out upon the earth when Jesus comes to destroy that Wicked one, and that is... the "day of the Lord" timing.

Man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory tries to move that 'wrath' event backwards so they can try to say Jesus comes for His Church prior... to the great tribulation. But that won't work. The "day of the Lord" is about the LAST DAY of this world when the nations are gathered to come up against Jerusalem, and God pours out of His cup of wrath upon them linked with the final 7th Vial, which also is the timing given for Christ's future return to the Mount of Olives, and also the timing given for God's consuming fire by Peter in 2 Peter 3:10. So you have to go AGAINST many Bible Scriptures to TRY and change the "day of the Lord" event to a different time than at the very end of this world on the LAST DAY.
 

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It says in Joel 2:31 that these signs are BEFORE the “Day of the Lord(a period of time of God’s wrath) takes place. So the sixth seal that describes these same signs must happen right before the “Day of the Lord” commences.
And what of Zephaniah 1:7 ?
The DotL is near his sacrifice where he bids his guests. That isn’t until Rev 19 after he reigns in his kingdom. You can look at Ezekiel 39:17 for comparison as well.

God’s wrath on the wicked doesn’t come till he reigns in his kingdom at the 7th trumpet because Christ tells us in Matthew 13:41-42 the wicked are removed from his kingdom. It is the harvest.