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What heretic's call "easy believism" is the devil's invention.

For example, praying to a person, such as Mary.
Thinking that water saves you.
Believing that you have indwelling sin instead of indwelling Christ, as it can't be both.
Listen... Can you be the BORN AGAIN "temple of the Holy Spirit" where GOD LIVES, and Sin be found there?

A.) No.

The #1 heresy taught on Forums is. "you can lose your salvation".
So, if you are dealing with this deceived person who is telling you this, you are dealing with a person who has no understanding of the Blood of Jesus, or The Cross of Christ.
NONE.
And that is why they never talk about those, but only talk about commandments or, Hebrews 10, or "dead faith" or "enduring", and most of all...they screech that you can lose your salvation.


JUDE teaches something that every believer has to comprehend so that they are not deceived by a Legalist....( a self saver)....A Heretic.
Its this..
JUDE teaches, that the devil's deceived teach that the Grace of God, is "license to sin".
Jude and Paul say that the evil one has cleverly used man's self righteousness against their own understanding of how the Grace of God operates as a FREE GIFT.
Simply put, the devil's theology switches God's Grace into the idea of license to sin, by convincing believers that God's SALVATION, if taught correctly as a GIFT, is...>"license to sin".
Think on that .

The Devil Led HERETIC, reads that God was in Christ in the WORLD, not counting your sin against you, ever again, IF YOU WILL BELIEVE.

2 Corinthians 5:19

And the Devil led Heretic flips out and rants...>"if you teach that you are teaching license to Sin".
This is what they told Paul, and this is what they will tell you, if you teach Grace as "the GIFT of Salvation" that you cant earn, and you can't lose.

You'll find the devil's deceived ranting that the Gift of God, when taught correctly AS ''the GIFT of Righteousness"", is...>"cheap grace" ."easy believism", and "License".
Its what they do on every FORUM and from thousands of pulpits.
Why? Its because they are deeply deceived within their own self righteousness and can no longer SEE the Grace of God as Freely Given..
They read that "God who began Salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be faithful to Complete it".......and they say...>"oh no, you have to do this, and hold unto this, as Salvation is ON YOU to keep and not LOSE".

These LEGALISTS are so faith and mentally subverted within themselves that when they hear the True Gospel, and are confronted with the Truth of Amazing GRACE...they will stand up and deny it.
You find these carnal heretics as Preachers, as Teachers, and Church and Forum Members.
These people are ultra offensive to the Cross of Christ, and they ruin all Christian Forums.

Lets look now at Romans 10.

Here is the Legalist. = ""For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness" = The Devil's Gospel.
They exist within the mind of the flesh and are "fallen from Grace".
What they teach is : Galatians 1:8

So, you find these types shouting about the Commandments and preaching their SELF EFFORT to stay saved theology, you have to recognize these deceivers, as they will ruin your faith In Christ IF you start listening to them and find agreement.
The Devil has deceived them, and He will us them to do the same to you if you do not discern these deceived people.
Its their Ministry.

Now lets look at how we have and why we have PEACE with God....

WE start here....Hebrews 10:14. : """ For by one offering God hath perfected FOREVER them (born again) that ARE= sanctified""
Notice the duration of the perfected...= Its """FOREVER"".
The '"PERFECTED" is the born again Christian's SPIRIT, that is "in Christ", "one with God".
This is the real you. Not your body, your behavior, or your mind.,, if you are born again and NOT just water baptized and religious.
And notice the sanctification is finished....."them that ARE".... its not, them that will be, or can be, or may be.....its "ARE"..= finished. "ARE" as in completed".
= Born again, Made Righteous, Having received "the GIFT of Righteousness and the GIFT of Salvation".

Listen..

The born again ARE become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
That is all the born again.
The BORN AGAIN.... are complete IN CHRIST< Made Righteous, and this can never change as the "New Birth", cannot be changed, cannot be ended.
You can't stop being born again.
You can't stop being a Son/Daughter of God.
You can't stop being "the temple of the Holy Spirit".
You can't stop being "IN Christ"
You can't stop Jesus when He told the born again, "i will NEVER Leave you", and its because He is IN all the born again, that the born again remain "one with God"..... SAVED....and will "NEVER PERISH"< Jesus told you.

And here is the PEACE.... Romans 5:1.... """being Justified....we HAVE Peace WITH GOD"".

And this Peace is the Grace of God, that is the "gift of Righteousness" that Legalist's try to teach is a : "license to sin".

Listen.,
When Real Faith in Christ to keep you saved... has been destroyed, and now you are trying to stay saved, you have been SUBVERTED from "real faith'" in Christ.
You've been deceived.
And that is what these carnal devil's are trying to do to you on Forums and from Pulpits, worldwide.
A legalist, a heretic, a dark light.... would have you trying to earn and keep this peace with God by lifestyle, self effort, works, and commandment keeping, which denies and contradicts God's Grace = which is a FREE GIFT that is given and received, and not earned or kept, which is the reason GOD is always kept in perfect peace with the Born Again.

Philippians 1:6. = God is faithful to complete your Salvation.

Believe it.
You wouldn't intentionally teach slanderous lies against a brother's beliefs, would you?
 

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"Pray" simply means to ASK or to SUPPLICATE.
As I educated you in my last post - "Woeship" or "Adore" is a SECONDARY definition.

So, my dishomest and extremely ignorant friend - if it's okay for Jesus to pray to people - then it is okat for YOU to pray to people.
Unless, of course, you have NEVER asked a question . . .
Lol
 

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The word “worship” has undergone a change in meaning in English. It comes from the Old English weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God.

For many centuries, the term worship simply meant showing respect or honor, and an example of this usage survives in contemporary English. British subjects refer to their magistrates as “Your Worship,” although Americans would say “Your Honor.” This doesn’t mean that British subjects worship their magistrates as gods; it means they are giving them the honor appropriate to their office, not the honor appropriate to God.

Outside of this example, however, the English term “worship” has been narrowed in scope to indicate only that supreme form of honor, reverence, and respect that is due to God. This can lead to confusion, when people who are familiar only with the use of words in their own day and their own circles encounter material written in other times and other places.

In Scripture, the term “worship” was similarly broad in meaning, but in the early Christian centuries, theologians began to differentiate between different types of honor in order to make more clear which is due to God and which is not.

As the terminology of Christian theology developed, the Greek term latria came to be used to refer to the honor that is due to God alone, and the term dulia came to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially the saints. Scripture indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matt. 10:41b). A special term was coined to refer to the special honor given to the Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus—God in the flesh—in her womb. This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = “beyond dulia”), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different from the latria owed to the infinite Creator.

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Ahhh, yes - “Lol” usually means:
“Oh, NO!! He bested me again and I don’t have anything intelligent to add to the conversation!”

Yup – that’s about the kind of response I expected from you . . .
 

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Ahhh, yes - “Lol” usually means:
“Oh, NO!! He bested me again and I don’t have anything intelligent to add to the conversation!”

Yup – that’s about the kind of response I expected from you . . .
LOL!

The Catholic bested this....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

....by disobeying it and being the leader of the disobedience movement.
 

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LOL!

The Catholic bested this....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

....by disobeying it and being the leader of the disobedience movement.
Another FAILURE . . .

As usual, since you can’t argue the actual POINTS I made - you resort to quoting verses that are totally irrelevant to the conversation.
Truly pathetic.

Let me know when you can actually REFUTE the rock-solid grammatical case I made with regards to the word, “Pray”.

EVERYBODY prays to each other – your nervous “LOLs” notwithstanding.
Jesus prayed to people MANY times . . .
(Matt. 5:46, Matt. 5:47, Matt. 6:27, Matt. 6:28, Matt. 7:3, Matt. 7:16, Matt. 8:26, Matt. 9:4, Matt. 9:5, Matt. 9:15, Matt. 9:28, Matt. 11:7, Matt. 11:16, Matt. 12:11, Matt. 12:29, Matt. 12:34, Matt. 12:48, Matt. 14:31, Matt. 15:3, Matt. 15:34, Matt. 16:9, Matt. 16:13, Matt. 16:15, Matt. 16:26, Matt. 17:17, Matt. 17:25, Matt. 18:12, Matt. 19:17, Matt. 20:21, Matt. 20:22, Matt. 20:32, Matt. 21:25, Matt. 21:28, Matt. 21:42, Matt. 22:18, Matt. 22:42, Matt. 23:17-19, Matt. 23:33, Matt. 26:10, Matt. 26:40, Matt. 26:53, Matt. 26:54, Matt. 26:55, Matt. 27:46, Mark 2:8, Mark 4:21, Mark 4:30, Mark 4:40, Mark 5:9, Mark 5:30, Mark 5:39, Mark 7:18, Mark 7:18, Mark 8:12, Mark 8:17-18, Mark 8:19, Mark 8:20, Mark 8:21, Mark 8:23, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:33, Mark 9:50, Mark 10:3, Mark 10:18, Mark 10:51, Mark 12:15, Mark 13:2, Mark 14:37, Mark 14:37, Luke 2:49, Luke 2:49, Luke 5:22, Luke 5:23, Luke 6:46, Luke 8:25, Luke 8:30, Luke 8:45, Luke 10:15, Luke 10:26, Luke 10:36, Luke 11:40, Luke 12:14-15, Luke 12:25, Luke 12:57, Luke 14:31, Luke 14:34, Luke 15:4, Luke 15:8, Luke 16:11, Luke 17:17, Luke 18:7, Luke 18:8, Luke 22:27, Luke 22:46, Luke 23:31, Luke 24:17, Luke 24:19, Luke 24:26, Luke 24:38, Luke 24:41, John 1:38, John 2:4, John 3:10, John 3:12, John 4:7, John 5:6, John 5:44, John 5:47, John 6:5, John 6:61, John 6:62, John 6:67, John 6:70, John 7:19, John7:19, John 7:23, John 8:10, John 8:43, John 8:46, John 8:46, John 10:36, John 11:9, John 11:26, John 11:33, John 13:12, John 14:9, John 18:4,7, John 18:11, John 18:34, John 18:21, John 18:23, John 20:15, John 21:5, John 21:17, John 21:22)
 

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Another FAILURE . . .

As usual, since you can’t argue the actual POINTS I made - you resort to quoting verses that are totally irrelevant to the conversation.
Truly pathetic.

Let me know when you can actually REFUTE the rock-solid grammatical case I made with regards to the word, “Pray”.

EVERYBODY prays to each other – your nervous “LOLs” notwithstanding.
Jesus prayed to people MANY times . . .
(Matt. 5:46, Matt. 5:47, Matt. 6:27, Matt. 6:28, Matt. 7:3, Matt. 7:16, Matt. 8:26, Matt. 9:4, Matt. 9:5, Matt. 9:15, Matt. 9:28, Matt. 11:7, Matt. 11:16, Matt. 12:11, Matt. 12:29, Matt. 12:34, Matt. 12:48, Matt. 14:31, Matt. 15:3, Matt. 15:34, Matt. 16:9, Matt. 16:13, Matt. 16:15, Matt. 16:26, Matt. 17:17, Matt. 17:25, Matt. 18:12, Matt. 19:17, Matt. 20:21, Matt. 20:22, Matt. 20:32, Matt. 21:25, Matt. 21:28, Matt. 21:42, Matt. 22:18, Matt. 22:42, Matt. 23:17-19, Matt. 23:33, Matt. 26:10, Matt. 26:40, Matt. 26:53, Matt. 26:54, Matt. 26:55, Matt. 27:46, Mark 2:8, Mark 4:21, Mark 4:30, Mark 4:40, Mark 5:9, Mark 5:30, Mark 5:39, Mark 7:18, Mark 7:18, Mark 8:12, Mark 8:17-18, Mark 8:19, Mark 8:20, Mark 8:21, Mark 8:23, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:33, Mark 9:50, Mark 10:3, Mark 10:18, Mark 10:51, Mark 12:15, Mark 13:2, Mark 14:37, Mark 14:37, Luke 2:49, Luke 2:49, Luke 5:22, Luke 5:23, Luke 6:46, Luke 8:25, Luke 8:30, Luke 8:45, Luke 10:15, Luke 10:26, Luke 10:36, Luke 11:40, Luke 12:14-15, Luke 12:25, Luke 12:57, Luke 14:31, Luke 14:34, Luke 15:4, Luke 15:8, Luke 16:11, Luke 17:17, Luke 18:7, Luke 18:8, Luke 22:27, Luke 22:46, Luke 23:31, Luke 24:17, Luke 24:19, Luke 24:26, Luke 24:38, Luke 24:41, John 1:38, John 2:4, John 3:10, John 3:12, John 4:7, John 5:6, John 5:44, John 5:47, John 6:5, John 6:61, John 6:62, John 6:67, John 6:70, John 7:19, John7:19, John 7:23, John 8:10, John 8:43, John 8:46, John 8:46, John 10:36, John 11:9, John 11:26, John 11:33, John 13:12, John 14:9, John 18:4,7, John 18:11, John 18:34, John 18:21, John 18:23, John 20:15, John 21:5, John 21:17, John 21:22)
Per the OP, the devil's ministers are most notably, Acts 2:38 deniers.

The rest are just wannabe's.
 

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Per the OP, the devil's ministers are most notably, Acts 2:38 deniers.

The rest are just wannabe's.
And per our conversation – you not only FAILED to address the grammatical implications of the word “PRAY” – you crashed and burned when it came to addressing ANY of the Scriptural evidence I presented.

Oh, and Baptism is only the beginning. It’s NOT the end of our Journey.
And, as the Bible WANRS - you can LOSE your way by your OWN doing on that journey . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19),

MANY d not remain faithful to the end, as Jesus requires Matt. 7:21, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46).
If you’re going to quote Scripture – make sure you UNDERSTAND it . . .
 

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And per our conversation – you not only FAILED to address the grammatical implications of the word “PRAY” – you crashed and burned when it came to addressing ANY of the Scriptural evidence I presented.

Oh, and Baptism is only the beginning. It’s NOT the end of our Journey.
And, as the Bible WANRS - you can LOSE your way by your OWN doing on that journey . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19),

MANY d not remain faithful to the end, as Jesus requires Matt. 7:21, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46).
If you’re going to quote Scripture – make sure you UNDERSTAND it . . .
I pray thee to obey Acts 2:38 and finally find remission of your sins.
 
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I pray thee to obey Acts 2:38 and finally find remission of your sins.
I see you’ve FINALLY chosen to agree with Scripture . . .

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".
 

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Definition of PRAYER
Definition of prayer
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a(1): an address (such as a petition) to God or a god in word or thought: said a prayer for the success of the voyage
(2): a set order of words used in praying
b: an earnest request or wish
2: the act or practice of praying to God or a god kneeling in prayer
3: a religious service consisting chiefly of prayers —often used in plural
4: something prayed for
5: a slight chance; haven't got a prayer
Yup – that’s about the size of it . . .
 

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You don't realize that the Apostles had sin, and Jesus didnt., yet they were both water baptized.
OMG...You are right. I did not know that Jesus was without sin. Thank you for educating me. :goodj:

Yes, the leaders of our water cult were all baptized...with water...and us Christians continue that cultish practice, 2,000 years later.

Cult Member Mary
 

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OMG...You are right. I did not know that Jesus was without sin. Thank you for educating me. :goodj:

Yes, the leaders of our water cult were all baptized...with water...and us Christians continue that cultish practice, 2,000 years later.

Cult Member Mary
Your problem aint water baptism . ALL apostels did it . The early church KNEW TO DO IT .
Your problem is , THE CC ITSELF . I say this out of love . FLEE IT . But YES , let all who name the name of JESUS
receive the baptism of water as well . THEY ALL KNEW TO DO IT . SO WE DO IT TOO .
 
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I see you’ve FINALLY chosen to agree with Scripture . . .

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".
Now I pray thee to show me a verse of the apostles praying to dead saints?
 
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Now I pray thee to show me a verse of the apostles praying to dead saints?
Exactly . Not only can they not show you , I can show us all where its evil and dire wicked to do such a thing .
ALL over scriptures too . While we are this .
Let them show us , WHERE peter , john , paul or anyone once had folks KNEEL before them
and kiss rings and call them Most HOLY FATHER , MOST HOLY REVERAND . YET again
i can show us through many places where not only they DID NOT DO THIS
they EXPOSED IT , ANY TIME folks came up to them to kneel before them . THE CC is the dragons pit and the protestant realm
suckles from her teets . We better be in the bible is all i can say to folks .
 

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I am not going to call you a liar. A lot people misunderstand the scriptures and wish that they could live as they please. Even more do not grasp the Spirit of Christ and Christianity.

Some just want to believe something....and they cherry pick the scriptures to find what supports their beliefs or what comforts them. It is called not seeing the forest for the trees....with your nose in your favorite scriptures....you cannot or do not want to believe the scriptures as whole.

Why do people want to deny the scriptures? More than one reason I am sure. Maybe they want to live a sinful lifestyle and believe they are a Christian and are saved. Maybe they have loved ones that are living a sinful lifestyle and cannot bear the thought of them burning in hell for eternity. Whatever....

Now I know you and all of the OSAS crowd not only know the scriptures that prove you wrong, all of you have been given the scriptures that prove your beliefs are false. But that was just a courtesy because you knew them all along and just ignore them or deny them. A lot of people have told you the truth but you deny the Word of God. There is a curse associated with preaching a different Gospel. Now that curse you may realize in your lifetime. But in the end it could send you to hell.

The bigger sin can be that you lead others to hell and you maybe held accountable for the lose of their souls. How many levels of Hell are there? How many scriptures have they given you that prove you wrong? How many people have tried to reason with you? They have done their part, their conscience is clear. In the end you have earned what you are going to get.

Beliefs, Truths, Facts....Be good and do good. The Johnny Appleseed of truth.
Sorry I have missed this tread, there have been so many on this topic.

The issue here is not denying the scriptures or cherry-picking them so much as it is not reconciling them. Both sides of these arguments do not put both sets of scripture (those for or against salvation being forever) together and reconcile them, only proving they cannot. The topic of this tread, if I may summarize, is the devil's ministers promoting false doctrine. Which all rely upon "half truths" and therefore they argue a point unto the death without ever reconciling both sets of scriptures or being corrected.

I suppose the solution here is to respond to such "half truths" by asking "What about this other scripture, how do you reconcile it with what you claim about the partial information you have given?"

The problem is--that is done, but the "half truths" are never reconciled by the "half truth" party, only denied. And very few want to admit and say, "I don't know."

My whole approach has always been to present the missing passages and reconcile "all truth." But it is rarely ever admitted to, and the typical response is just to keep pounding out the "half truth" and then attack the person who they are pounding it out against. Which is not the answer, and just another nail in the coffin.

The answer is in reconciling "all truth", which can only come from "rightly dividing the word of truth." But it has been said already, those who don't do this, don't want to...and therefore, they should be identified and avoided.

Meanwhile, the word from Jesus to those who did the same to Him, was this:

Luke 13:35
See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

 
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And yes, folks can backslide...

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I am not sure just what it is you are trying to say here, but it would appear to be a great example of a would-be prooftext for salvation not being forever but can be lost, without reconciling "all truth." Which it is not. It doesn't even apply.

If you will notice, it says "have tasted"--not fully believed, not fully surrendered to, or not laid down their life for. That is not salvation, but describes some who hears the word but it has fallen on rocky ground and dies before taking root.

The reality of such a non-saved person is confirmed in the same verse, saying "partakers", meaning only taking in part not in full.
 
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Now I pray thee to show me a verse of the apostles praying to dead saints?
As soon as YOU can sho me -
A verse SHOWING an Apostle - ANY Apostle Baptizing someone and saying the actual words of Baptism.
OR . . .
A verse that quotes an Apostle telling someone to accept Jesus as their "Personal Lord and Savior".
OR . . .
A verse that mentions a Pre-Millennial "Rapture".
OR . . .
A verse that teaches Sola Scriptura.
OR any number of other Protestant traditions.

CAN
you do that?