There are no Catholics in Heaven.

[BreadOfLife]

I agree with one thing. No denominations in heaven. But heaven will have people who went to different denominations here. We are saved jews although they Jewish priests spoke against god not for him. There can be true believers anywhere. Some people can’t get out of religion it’s hard so they stay.

I agree - so does the Church.
Anti-Catholics don't understand this.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sadly this post is just as bad as the op having discussed with this person before I can understand somewhat the ops
Frustration

How so?

 

[Truther]

Then I guess no one Who died pre Mark 16 is saved (Rolling eyes)

That was pre Acts 2:38.

 

[Truther]

Actually - Luther was devoted to the Blessed Mother . . .

"She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
"St. Paul says 'God sent his Son born of a woman, ' These words which I hold for true, really sustain quite firmly that Mary is the Mother of God."
(Martin Luther, Martin Luther's Works, vol. 7, pg 592)

"This article of faith- that Mary is the Mother of God- is present in the Church from the beginning and is not a new creation of the council but the presentation of the Gospel and the Scriptures."
(Martin Luther, Martin Luther's Works, vol. 7, pg 572)

"It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
(Martin Luther, Martin Luther's Works, vol. 24, pg 107)

So the "blessed mother" was fine with the 95 theses?

 

[BreadOfLife]

So the "blessed mother" was fine with the 95 theses?

No - but she was fine with SOME of them.
Have you ever actually read them? Not ALL of them are "anti-" Catholic Church.

Some of them actually agree with Catholic teaching.

 

[Truther]

No - but she was fine with SOME of them.
Have you ever actually read them? Not ALL of them are "anti-" Catholic Church.

Some of them actually agree with Catholic teaching.

How do you know what the "blessed mother" thinks?

 

[BarneyFife]

Wrong, the Apostle said "save yourself from this untoward generation..."

This means "be baptized for the remission of your sins...".

Even the false concept of thinking(believing) your way into being saved is works.

There is no way out of working your own salvation out.

And not one of them has the power or merit to save. There is no way out of that. Only Jesus saves. Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Consider this:

In the Judgment, will any of our deeds or words be counted toward our deserving salvation? No. Only the deeds and words and thoughts of Jesus in our stead. Only His death in our stead. Nothing we can do or say makes us deserving of salvation. We have our part to do in accepting the gift. But all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. For every verse you can quote that seems to say we are saved by our works, I can quote 5 which say clearly that it is impossible. Without Christ's actuating Spirit we can do nothing--not even repent.

 

[Mungo]

And not one of them has the power or merit to save. There is no way out of that. Only Jesus saves. Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Consider this:

In the Judgment, will any of our deeds or words be counted toward our deserving salvation? No. Only the deeds and words and thoughts of Jesus in our stead. Only His death in our stead. Nothing we can do or say makes us deserving of salvation. We have our part to do in accepting the gift. But all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. For every verse you can quote that seems to say we are saved by our works, I can quote 5 which say clearly that it is impossible. Without Christ's actuating Spirit we can do nothing--not even repent.

Your righteousness might be as filthy rags but Jesus gives us true righteousness.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You MUST be baptized with water to receive the Holy spirit (John 3:5, Acts 2:38).

We are tangible creatures and God, in His infinite wisdom prescribes tangible means for us to be born again.
Just as Christ used mud to cure the blind man - He prescribes physical means for us to live out our faith.

It's NOT the water that saves.
The water is not the ends - but the MEANS.

Been there done that with you

we are saved by grace, NOT by works of righteousness which we have done (titus 3) but by his mercy

your holding God back by forcing him to wait until you earn his gift, which means it’s not a gift, water is not the means, GODs washing of regeneration is the means, by spiritual cleansing COL 2

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your righteousness might be as filthy rags but Jesus gives us true righteousness.

He gives it, because we cannot do it UNTIL we are saved

 

[Eternally Grateful]

She WAS saved. She didn't save herself - otherwise SHE would be a god.
She was saved BEFORE she was born.

1. Wrong she was not saved before she was born
2. Yes, she was saved, by her faith. The same way abraham was saved, because she believed God
3. In order to be a MOTHER of God, you have to be God yourself

read roman and Greek mythology, they had mothers of Gods,

my God was before abraham and he created the heavens and the earth, the alpha and omega, no father or mother,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That may be your opinion but you provide no evidence for that opinion.

Actually I did

I mentioned John

John 3. No baptism (No water and spirit does not mean baptism, if it did Jesus would have said it)
John 4 no baptism
John 5 no baptism
John 6 no baptism

how about Eph 1-2. No baptism

yet all those people were saved

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree - so does the Church.
Anti-Catholics don't understand this.

Catholics do not either my friend

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That was pre Acts 2:38.

Oh, so the way to eternal life changed from faith to faith plus works?

ok...

acts 2: 38 does not say what you think, you can not study the Greek and come up with the same conclusion

 

[BreadOfLife]

How do you know what the "blessed mother" thinks?

Because she believed what her Son taught - and promised (Matt. 16:18).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Been there done that with you

we are saved by grace, NOT by works of righteousness which we have done (titus 3) but by his mercy

your holding God back by forcing him to wait until you earn his gift, which means it’s not a gift, water is not the means, GODs washing of regeneration is the means, by spiritual cleansing COL 2

It's not about "earning" anything.
It's about being obedient and doing His will (Matt. 7:21).

 

[BreadOfLife]

1. Wrong she was not saved before she was born
2. Yes, she was saved, by her faith. The same way abraham was saved, because she believed God
3. In order to be a MOTHER of God, you have to be God yourself

read roman and Greek mythology, they had mothers of Gods,

my God was before abraham and he created the heavens and the earth, the alpha and omega, no father or mother,

So, you don't believe that Jesus is God?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Catholics do not either my friend

Yes, we do - that's why I just told you that.
I'm Catholic - or didn't you know that?

The Catholic Church teaches that NOT only Catholics will make it to Heaven.
This is a doctrinal position, known as Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, so the way to eternal life changed from faith to faith plus works?

ok...

acts 2: 38 does not say what you think, you can not study the Greek and come up with the same conclusion

It's not faith PLUS works - it never has been.

However - if you believe that "Faith" is just "belief" - then you're NO better off than the demons, who do the same (James 2:19).
The works that God Himself has prepared for us in advance (Eph. 2:10) are an essential element of faith - such as Baptism.

True Faith = Belief + Works (obedience, trust)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not about "earning" anything.
It's about being obedient and doing His will (Matt. 7:21).

Ie works Or earning grace

titus 3: 5. Read it.