Very big GAP in the trinity

[historyb]

Ok ...Read your posts, I just answered all your no nonsense!!! Eh!

I was on one Topic...Is Jesus A Human man, as men say?

Or did Jesus come forth out from God, in the Likeness AS A man, as Scripture says?

Taken

Both. Christ is God and Man both 100 percent

 

[historyb]

Now if you wish to dispute all this to support your false theology, you go right ahead and dispute it all you want. But Bible-believing Christians will discern the truth and shut up. Yes God the Father is a Spirit, and so is the Holy Spirit. But that does not mean that Jesus is the Holy Spirit or the Holy Spirit is Christ. That would be absurd.

Even though we may disagree on some things it is nice to see you defend orthodox (small o) Christianity instead of just saying anything is okay

 

[Truther]

Both. Christ is God and Man both 100 percent

God is man, 100%?

Sounds new age...

 

[ChristisGod]

Right, the 1st Adam was made in the likeness of the last Adam....not a Divine Spirit.

sorry its talking about their humanity in common. you are reading your doctrine into the passage which is eisegesis.

 

[Truther]

sorry its talking about their humanity in common. you are reading your doctrine into the passage which is eisegesis.

Adam was not made in the likeness of Divinity, but in the likeness of the man Christ Jesus.(Body, soul and spirit). Jesus was the blueprint for human beings, not an invisible Spirit.

This is why Jesus had to be the firstborn of all creation per Col.

 

[Enoch111]

God is man, 100%?Sounds new age...

No it does not sound New Age except to naysayers. Here is what the Bible says:

Jesus of Nazareth is 100% God +
Jesus of Nazareth is 100% Sinless Man

This is not according to human logic but according to divine logic.

 

[historyb]

No it does not sound New Age except to naysayers. Here is what the Bible says:

Jesus of Nazareth is 100% God +
Jesus of Nazareth is 100% Sinless Man

This is not according to human logic but according to divine logic.

AMEN! I wish they would stop letting heretics parade around here as if they were Christians

 

[ChristisGod]

Adam was not made in the likeness of Divinity, but in the likeness of the man Christ Jesus.(Body, soul and spirit). Jesus was the blueprint for human beings, not an invisible Spirit.

This is why Jesus had to be the firstborn of all creation per Col.

And the passage has nothing to do with your "assumption" that Jesus is not Divine. The context is their humanity.
You can't use one passage rip it from the rest of the bible like you are doing to deny that Christ is Divine.There are NUMEROUS scriptures which declare Jesus the man was also God in the flesh.

What this tells me is you do not practice exegesis when studying the bible but eisegesis which is reading your "doctrines" into scripture.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

AMEN! I wish they would stop letting heretics parade around here as if they were Christians

ditto

 

[Grailhunter]

Just to throw fuel on the fire…..maybe fan it a bit! Thank you.

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one person

Do you guys and gals know how many formulas for the Trinity there were in the early church?

Do you know when the one God/one person, formula was agreed upon?

Do you know why the one God/one person formula became a mandatory belief?

When the term Trinity was first used?

 

[Truther]

No it does not sound New Age except to naysayers. Here is what the Bible says:

Jesus of Nazareth is 100% God +
Jesus of Nazareth is 100% Sinless Man

This is not according to human logic but according to divine logic.

Again, this means that Almighty God is 100% weak, humble and lowly man also.

You aspire to that?

 

[Truther]

And the passage has nothing to do with your "assumption" that Jesus is not Divine. The context is their humanity.
You can't use one passage rip it from the rest of the bible like you are doing to deny that Christ is Divine.There are NUMEROUS scriptures which declare Jesus the man was also God in the flesh.

What this tells me is you do not practice exegesis when studying the bible but eisegesis which is reading your "doctrines" into scripture.

hope this helps !!!

I say that Jesus was MADE Divine after his resurrection by his God and the Col 2:9 effect occurred to him, bodily.

Not as a Divine mortal, as incarnationists teach.

 

[ChristisGod]

I say that Jesus was MADE Divine after his resurrection by his God and the Col 2:9 effect occurred to him, bodily.

Not as a Divine mortal, as incarnationists teach.

You must learn to harmonize Scripture not pit scripture against scripture as you have just done above.

Col 2:9 is His life on this earth prior to His death which Paul points out in the previous chapter

Col 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Nice try but a big swing and a miss.

hope this helps !!!

 

[justbyfaith]

It says the word of God was MADE flesh, not the Spirit of God became flesh.(Flesh as in microscopic cell).

The Word was God (John 1:1); and God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24). So how is it that the Spirit of God didn't become flesh when the Word became flesh?

 

[101G]

I say that Jesus was MADE Divine after his resurrection by his God and the Col 2:9 effect occurred to him, bodily.

Not as a Divine mortal, as incarnationists teach.

what kind of nonesense is that? listen, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." what was made G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') according to Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" is now restored. scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." which is confirmed in Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." BINGO, for it is the Lord who "Created" ALL THINGS. but HOLD IT was it not the "LORD", all caps who created "All things". Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

well, well, well, the LORD/the Father made all thing and it is the Lord/the Son who made all things. the Lord is the LORD shared or diversified in flesh. the Lord who is the LORD without flesh is the same person.

scripture, Zechariah 12:8 "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."
Zechariah 12:9 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

the LORD, "me" in the verse said this, "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" question, who was pierced?, Jesus the Son the "Lord". well it's the LORD all caps that said that he was pierced, the same LORD who "MADE ALL THINGS" in Isaiah 44:23, and John 1:3, the same one Person, or else you have two "creators".... ... How long must people stay in ignorance before they see the TRUTH staring them in the face?

one have to be dumb, blind, and "dishonest", not to see the truth now.

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

You must learn to harmonize Scripture not pit scripture against scripture as you have just done above.

Col 2:9 is His life on this earth prior to His death which Paul points out in the previous chapter

Col 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Nice try but a big swing and a miss.

hope this helps !!!

How did all of what God consists of fit in Jesus man sized body?

Please elaborate?

 

[Truther]

The Word was God (John 1:1); and God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24). So how is it that the Spirit of God didn't become flesh when the Word became flesh?

The KJV says the word was made flesh. This is in correlation with verse 3 saying the spoken word of God made all things.

Jesus himself said "God is a Spirit" in John 4:24.

Jesus NEVER said God is a man, flesh or anything but a Spirit.

Jesus even constantly spoke of his God and Spirit Father.

I think something fishy is going on with these "Divine Spirit becomes cellular human" teachers.

 

[Truther]

what kind of nonesense is that? listen, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." what was made G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') according to Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" is now restored. scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." which is confirmed in Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." BINGO, for it is the Lord who "Created" ALL THINGS. but HOLD IT was it not the "LORD", all caps who created "All things". Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

well, well, well, the LORD/the Father made all thing and it is the Lord/the Son who made all things. the Lord is the LORD shared or diversified in flesh. the Lord who is the LORD without flesh is the same person.

scripture, Zechariah 12:8 "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."
Zechariah 12:9 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

the LORD, "me" in the verse said this, "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" question, who was pierced?, Jesus the Son the "Lord". well it's the LORD all caps that said that he was pierced, the same LORD who "MADE ALL THINGS" in Isaiah 44:23, and John 1:3, the same one Person, or else you have two "creators".... ... How long must people stay in ignorance before they see the TRUTH staring them in the face?

one have to be dumb, blind, and "dishonest", not to see the truth now.

PICJAG.

The "glory" Jesus had from the beginning is this...


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


....now you know what glory Jesus had before the world began, which immediately after praying that, he was swiftly put to death.

 

[ChristisGod]

How did all of what God consists of fit in Jesus man sized body?

Please elaborate?

I believe Gods word which declares it whether or not we can explain it.

For example explain how God created everything from nothing ?

 

[Truther]

I believe Gods word which declares it whether or not we can explain it.

For example explain how God created everything from nothing ?

So you are a big bang type of theologist?(Infinite matter encapsulated inside a tiny object)

That is what you are espousing theologically.