WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

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The Spiritual Temple is the Eternal House of Israel

This is your wording though, and this is not found in the Bible.

Much love!

 

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Peace and Good Night

And to you my brother! I really love that we can go back and forth like this, I'm sure good will come for both of us, and is coming.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ

IF this is true, that Israel will remain a nation before God forever, that is, specifically the "seed of Israel", that is, Jacob's physical descendants, how is it that "in Christ" is neither Greek Nor Jew? How can it be that God will keep His promises to Israel - the nation as we think of nations - will remain before Him?

And again, there are so so many prophecies concerning the Elect Nation that have to be cancelled, unfulfilled, if Israel is not the head of the nations, the place from which Jesus rules the earth, during the Millennium. Those prophecies will be fulfilled. There will be a nation Israel. And there will be the "body of Christ", those in Christ that are neither Greek nor Jew.

Much love!

More to know about your Brother David

#1.) i LOVE Jeremiah by which God guarantees that earthbound Israel of the flesh will remain a nation before God.

#2.) The Church does not replace the earthbound Israel as a earthbound nation.

#3.) There are TWO Israels:
a.) earthbound of the flesh - Jeremiah 31:36
b.) Eternal of the Spirit = Romans ch 9

#4.) There are TWO Mt Zions
a.) earthbound in Middle East/Israel
b.) Eternal in Heaven

#5.) There are TWO Jerusalems
a.) earthbound in the Middle East/Israel
b.) Eternal in Heaven

#6.) Jesus was speaking to His Bride/the Church in Matt ch24 verified in John 3:25-29

#7.) Jesus feet will literally stand on the Mt of Olives at His Second Coming - Zech 14:1-5

#8.) the FIRST Resurrection for ALL Saints occurs at His Second Coming - 1 Thess 4:13-18

#9.) the Rapture of alive/remaining Saints occurs AFTER the First Resurrection, only, at His Second Coming

#10.) the flesh earthbound nation of Israel will be saved at the Second Coming of Christ = Zech 14:1-5 , Romans ch 11

 

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More to know about your Brother David

#1.) i LOVE Jeremiah by which God guarantees that earthbound Israel of the flesh will remain a nation before God.

#2.) The Church does not replace the earthbound Israel as a earthbound nation.

#3.) There are TWO Israels:
a.) earthbound of the flesh - Jeremiah 31:36
b.) Eternal of the Spirit = Romans ch 9

#4.) There are TWO Mt Zions
a.) earthbound in Middle East/Israel
b.) Eternal in Heaven

#5.) There are TWO Jerusalems
a.) earthbound in the Middle East/Israel
b.) Eternal in Heaven

#6.) Jesus was speaking to His Bride/the Church in Matt ch24 verified in John 3:25-29

#7.) Jesus feet will literally stand on the Mt of Olives at His Second Coming - Zech 14:1-5

#8.) the FIRST Resurrection for ALL Saints occurs at His Second Coming - 1 Thess 4:13-18

#9.) the Rapture of alive/remaining Saints occurs AFTER the First Resurrection, only, at His Second Coming

#10.) the flesh earthbound nation of Israel will be saved at the Second Coming of Christ = Zech 14:1-5 , Romans ch 11

Excellent!

Now I think our only difference on this is vocabulary. I love it!

#6, we could delve into that . . .

Much love!

 

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#3.) There are TWO Israels:
a.) earthbound of the flesh - Jeremiah 31:36
b.) Eternal of the Spirit = Romans ch 9

On this . . . when an Israelite now becomes a Christian, they become "B", and are no longer "A", do you agree?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Excellent!

Now I think our only difference on this is vocabulary. I love it!

#6, we could delve into that . . .

Much love!

If we were in person much would be resolved as well as the more IMPORTANT = True Fellowship/Prayer/Praise unto our Lord Jesus Christ

 

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If we were in person much would be resolved as well as the more IMPORTANT = True Fellowship/Prayer/Praise unto our Lord Jesus Christ

One day . . . one fine day!!

 

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Time for me to go though, hopefully see you tomorrow!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

On this . . . when an Israelite now becomes a Christian, they become "B", and are no longer "A", do you agree?

Much love!

A Jew who comes to Yeshua Messiah is Born-Again by the SAME Spirit as the Gentile in Christ.

The Jew remains Jew in his/her flesh but he/she is Spiritually Grafted back into the Tree of Life = the body of Christ
The Gentile who is saved is Grafted into the SAME Tree of Life = the Body of Christ = One Body for Jew & Gentile

Therefore both the Jew & Gentile become partakers under One NT Blood Covenant and are no longer strangers to each other = in Christ.

Furthermore, we shall SEE that Scripture declares both Jew & Gentile are the Spiritual Eternal Israel of God = One Shepherd One Flock

 

[David in NJ]

On this . . . when an Israelite now becomes a Christian, they become "B", and are no longer "A", do you agree?

Much love!

AGREE - AMEN - HALLELUYAH

 

[David in NJ]

God makes things very clear.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

God saw the fathers of Israel as the first fruits of the first harvest. However, they served other Gods and will now be the second harvest. The fig tree has TWO HARVESTS.

The eyes of the Israel are blinded

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Israel cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

God has a plan. He tells us in the Word what will happen. Instead of believing the Word of God, many think that they have replaced Israel. Of course this teaching came about because there was no nation of Israel for close to 2000 years. But that all changed because God keeps His promises.

The first rapture is for the Church. The second rapture is for the seed of the woman. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest.

Where is your pre-trib rapture in Daniel???
What about Genesis , Isaiah , Amos or Joel?
Are there any OT Prophets that give a 'pre-trib' rapture prophecy???

There is only One Resurrection for the Righteous and only One Rapture that occurs AFTER the First Resurrection.

OT Scripture only agrees with NT Scripture.

Romans 11 will not be fulfilled until the Second Coming of Christ = Jesus emphatically said so.

There are no raptures recorded in Revelation = BECAUSE it only takes place on earth at His Second Coming.

 

[ewq1938]

That is not correct. You skip a complete event, the marriage. The great multitude of Revelation 7 goes to heaven for the marriage supper in Revelation 19.

The marriage is over by the time we are shown the great multitude in Rev 7. It's not ME skipping anything. Revelation skips around in chronology. It happens again where Rev 11 shows the END of the GT, where Rev 13 shows the BEGINNING of the GT. Rev 7 matches Rev 21 the eternity.

 

[Timtofly]

The OT Prophets declare pre-trib rapture as completely false.

So, let's look at the Book of Daniel to SEE.

Therefore at that time certain Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews. They spoke and said to King Nebuchadnezzar, “O king, live forever! You, O king, have made a decree that everyone who hears the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, shall fall down and worship the gold image; and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. There are certain Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego; these men, O king, have not paid due regard to you. They do not serve your gods or worship the gold image which you have set up.”

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king.
18But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up.”

LIKEWISE = Daniel was thrown into the Lions Den.

These are just two of OT Prophetic view of Matt ch24 and Revelation

So Jesus will be on earth with the angels during the Tribulation, but the rapture will not happen until all the rest of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is dead?

 

[Timtofly]

You said: "No where in these verses do the saints come yet."

Your statement is completely contrary to Scripture = 1 Thess , 2 Thess , Revelation

Who was gathered by the angels at the Second Coming?

 

[Timtofly]

God's FACT check= Daniel and his 3 Brothers in the Faith suffered Tribulation unto Death during BABYLON/STATUE/ANTICHRIST
They went thru great tribulation = Death for Faith = God delivered them from the MIDST of Tribulation = Revelation 7:9-13

Thousands of redeemed have been killed because of their confession of faith in the last 1993 years. Of course the rapture did not happen 1993 years ago pre-trib.

But when the church is raptured, none of the church will be martyred, after that point. None of Israel redeemed after the Second Coming is part of the church. They are the firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom on earth. The church is glorified and in Paradise, until the New Jerusalem comes down bringing the glorified church in the New Jerusalem.

Do you not understand that Jesus and the angels are literally on the earth after the 6th Seal is opened? Jesus was literally in the fire while the Isralites were on the earth in their time of greatest tribulation ever. Jesus is on the earth, not directing the show from heaven.

 

[Timtofly]

The AOD takes place in the seals. Jesus returns for the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The thunders take place during the one-year wrath of God.

The AoD does not take place in the Seals.

You would make a terrible farmer.

You have the harvest after the field is plowed under. Most farmers gather the harvest prior to having the field plowed under.

 

[David in NJ]

Thousands of redeemed have been killed because of their confession of faith in the last 1993 years. Of course the rapture did not happen 1993 years ago pre-trib.

But when the church is raptured, none of the church will be martyred, after that point. None of Israel redeemed after the Second Coming is part of the church. They are the firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom on earth. The church is glorified and in Paradise, until the New Jerusalem comes down bringing the glorified church in the New Jerusalem.

Do you not understand that Jesus and the angels are literally on the earth after the 6th Seal is opened? Jesus was literally in the fire while the Isralites were on the earth in their time of greatest tribulation ever. Jesus is on the earth, not directing the show from heaven.

The Scriptures cannot lie but we can misplace their Order and get confused.

IF, we follow His Commandment to dare not alter a single word of His then and only then can we begin to understand.

Genesis has the correct Order and then on thru the Prophets to Christ/Gospel and the Apostles, finally Revelation.

Event 1 - antichrist(s) and final Antichrist before Christ Returns - Matthew ch24
Event 1 confirmed - 1 John 2:18
Event 1 confirmed - 2 Thess 2:1-5
Event 1 confirmed - OT Prophets beginning in Genesis with Enoch leading up to Daniel
Event 1 confirmed - James ch5 Revelation ch5 - ch14

Event 2 - Christ descends from Heaven with the Holy Angels and all His Saints - Matt ch24
Event 2 confirmed 1 Thess 3:13 , 4:13-18 , 2 Thess ch2 , Jude 1:14-15 , Rev ch19

Event 3 - Resurrection of the Righteous & Rapture - 1 Thess 1:10 , 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Daniel 12:1-3 , Rev ch20

God Himself prophesied to Ezekiel that pre-trib rapture was a lie by naming THREE KEY OT FIGURES = Noah, Daniel & Job

Read Ezekiel chapter 14

This is Scriptural Study to SEE with - Peace

 

[The Light]

Boy are you confused on Scripture.

No, you haven't annointed your eyes because you are believing a lie = pre-trib rapture

The Church will be caught up before the final week as the final week is the time of Jacobs trouble. The fact that you do not understand these things does not change them.

i am still waiting for the "pre-trib" rapture verses from Scripture.

Is one enough?
1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Adding your words upon Scripture is sin.

Ok.

Scripture says there is One Resurrection for the Just = Daniel 12:1-3 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Revelation 20:4-6

Daniel 12:1-3 is talking about the second rapture that occurs at the 6th seal. 1 Thes 4 is talking about the rapture of the Church and Rev 20 occurs after the 2nd advent.

Scripture says there is ONLY ONE SEED from Abraham's SEED of FAITH = Galatians chapters 3 & 4 and Romans & Ephesians and 1 Peter

Yep. There is one fold. But there are other sheep not of this fold that He will bring.

John 10
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Just as there is one olive tree that contains the natural branches and the wild branches. It's all about TIMING.

Heresy = Leah/NT Gentile Church , Rachel/NTJews Church

Leah first bride. Rachel chosen bride that Jacob worked 7 more years for.

Heresy = more then One Body of Christ = see above Leah/Rachel

Sorry there is one fold. There is one olive tree. Your contention is in error.

Heresy = pre-trib rapture

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Heresy = Jesus was speaking to the Jews in Matt ch24 and not to His Body/Bride/Church

Jesus was speaking to the Jews in Matthew 24. His ministry was to the Jews and it was prophesied that He would be rejected.
Jesus told the apostles not to go into the way of the Gentiles.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Heresy = Two Harvests = one for Jews one for Gentiles and/or pre-trib rapture and left behind Tribulation Saints

Heresy = Adding to and taking away from God's words to create false doctrine/teachings that oppose God's words

The fig tree has two harvests, whether you understand that or not. Your lack of understanding does not change the facts.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

Much to learn you have and the time is short.

 

[The Light]

The AoD does not take place in the Seals.

You would make a terrible farmer.

You have the harvest after the field is plowed under. Most farmers gather the harvest prior to having the field plowed under.

What John tells you in the seals is the exact same thing that Jesus tells you in Matthew 24. You are in error regarding this.

 

[David in NJ]

The Church will be caught up before the final week as the final week is the time of Jacobs trouble. The fact that you do not understand these things does not change them.

Is one enough?
1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Ok.

Daniel 12:1-3 is talking about the second rapture that occurs at the 6th seal. 1 Thes 4 is talking about the rapture of the Church and Rev 20 occurs after the 2nd advent.

Yep. There is one fold. But there are other sheep not of this fold that He will bring.

John 10
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Just as there is one olive tree that contains the natural branches and the wild branches. It's all about TIMING.

Leah first bride. Rachel chosen bride that Jacob worked 7 more years for.


Sorry there is one fold. There is one olive tree. Your contention is in error.


Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Jesus was speaking to the Jews in Matthew 24. His ministry was to the Jews and it was prophesied that He would be rejected.
Jesus told the apostles not to go into the way of the Gentiles.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


The fig tree has two harvests, whether you understand that or not. Your lack of understanding does not change the facts.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

Much to learn you have and the time is short.

You just added your pre-trib words on top of God's words.

1 Thess 4:13-18 is the FIRST Resurrection at His Coming followed by the rapture of remaining saints.

1 Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians preface TRIBULATION and the ANTICHRIST before the Second Coming of Christ.

Daniel ch7 preface the Tribulation upon the Saints from the Antichrist before the Coming of Christ.

Daniel 12:1-3 is the FIRST Resurrection of the Righteous in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Revelation ch20

There is not one prophecy given, anywhere in Scripture of a 'pre-trib' rapture.

What we are Graced with is God's Love and Deliverence from His Wrath = SEE Noah

"and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,"