We must be born again to be God's kingdom.
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But that goes against what Jesus accomplished on the cross. That's what YOU believe, but God disagrees with you.The Barrd said:
Of course, we cannot hate God and still be saved. Whatever gave you such a notion?ATP said:
Have you been listening to the spirit of antichrist?
But His action on the cross in which He accomplished overrides any action we do. Because we are sinners. Our righteousness are filthy rags compared to His Glory.The Barrd said:
Of all the things that you have said since we began discussing these things, this shocks me the most.ATP said:
This is akin to blasphemy...if it is not the thing itself, it certainly is not far from it.
God's will is for us to listen to Jesus' word. He gave Jesus authority to be our Lord. OSAS has ungrateful spirit against Jesus' word of "if you love Me, keep My commands."lforrest said:
What is insane Joyful is not accepting your sin nature believing you can be sinless. Ouch.Joyful said:
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Haven't you seen or heard of people who hate God coming to Jesus? I certainly have. There are many misunderstandings about God among the unsaved, when they hate him.The Barrd said:
There is much confusion here, and I think it has to do with what it means to be saved.
Have you read that entire chapter, ATP?ATP said:
Let me highlight a few other verses for you:
Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Did you get that? Cursed is the man whose heart departeth from the Lord. Doesn't sound a lot like that guy is going to heaven to me.
But look:
Jer 17:7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
Oh, and don't miss this verse:
Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Whoa, did you get that? God says that He will "give every man according to his ways". EVERY man would include those who profess belief. There must also be a change of ways.
Jer 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from thee shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
I think we need to pay attention here. If we forsake the Lord, we will be ashamed. If we depart from Him, we shall be written in the earth.
Doesn't sound very pleasant to me...certainly this is not Heaven.
This is why I keep saying to you, ATP....context, context, context.
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Being saved is more than a one time event when you accept Jesus as your Lord, It is a state of being. We should consider what it means when we say Jesus is Lord, what is he Lord of? Shouldn't that include our own lives?
Surely when these hating people come to Jesus, they put their hate behind them?lforrest said:
Surely you don't think that they are saved with their hate intact?
Surely you are not saying that we can have the Spirit of God within us, and hate God at the same time?
There is a special ward in the local mental hospital for that...or if there isn't there certainly ought to be...
Isn't that what I've been saying all through this thread?lforrest said:
If you are truly saved, then Jesus is the Lord of your life, indeed....and you will strive to please Him. You will be sad when you sin, if only because you know you have disappointed Him...and you will repent and ask His forgiveness. He stands ready to forgive those who love Him, 70 times 7 times, or just as often as it takes.
But do not get the idea that you may indulge your sinful flesh in all sorts of vulgar sins and still expect to see Heaven. It just doesn't work that way.
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