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Here's the thing and then I'm done with this bait thread. Your bait thread.
You are incredibly arrogant and pride filled. And hateful. And those are sins.
You start this thread. For 80+ pages e have foolishly sought to answer the OP.
Page after page you reject our post proofs.
You parrot, show me the verse, for page upon page.
You post a ramble about how you've come to know God's word in such a way as to imply your knowledge makes your understanding superior to ours.
And then in your post #1655
on the 83rd page of your own thread, where you've berated people's posts , saying they haven't answered your OP question, YOU admit YOU don't know the answer yourself.
Which means you have no foundation of knowledge of the actual answer by which to have judged and berated all those posts by others that you claimed did not answer the question you do not know the answer to!
85 pages!
Paying 85 pages of attention. Being criticized by a bragger who claimed to know the Bible in a way that made him superior to our knowledge, and 83 pages in , in his own thread, after all that braggadocio, condemnation of Christians answering the OP, all his parroting, show me the verse, or, ''thats not answering the OP question'', YOU ADMIT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOURSELF!
Turns out you are not as versed in the Bible as you bragged about earlier. Or you would have known the answer.
BUT YOU DON'T!
Christians have better things to do than go for making pages 86+ ....don't we?
Bingo! The “weeds” of satan’s counterfeit “Christianity” were not sown recently. They manifested in a “church” that corrupted everything Jesus taught. That corruption was carried over into the “daughters” that she gave birth to....they began to rebel over her unscriptural teachings that flourished in an environment of scriptural ignorance created by the church itself, forbidding the common people from even possessing a copy of God’s word, under penalty of death. They were burned at the stake in imitation of the fiendish god they created.
And that is a prime position to begin anyone’s spiritual journey. When we pledge allegiance to a religious institution and find out that they are not upholding sound scriptural doctrines, and we do no research of our own to confirm their teachings, but blindly believe whatever is told to us....we have allowed ourselves be conned by God’s adversary....the great deceiver. The one who masquerades as “an angel of light”.
So true! Those who blindly accept the beliefs of an ignorant majority will never fare well spiritually. Those who hold a strong emotional attachment to doctrines that are not scriptural can be sold a bill of goods that are just a bunch of accepted lies.
Those who gave in to the fear lived the lie because the power of the church was ridiculous. Power, as we know...corrupts. Those who dared to question became martyrs, but the church portrayed them as traitors...enemies of God. The real heretics were calling the truth seekers “heretics”...and seemingly getting away with it. Where was God?
Bingo again! God would not allow his enemies to alter his word as it was written, but he did not stop them from altering their interpretation because the truth was still there and he would guide the worthy ones to understand it (John 6:44, 65).....but now we have a dilemma. Which interpretation is correct?
Actually it is not the “soul” that returns to God....it is the “spirit”. The fact that people think these two words mean the same thing is why there is so much confusion. They are not the same at all, and what returns to God is not something conscious that leaves the body at death....that is another lie adopted by the church....an immortal soul. It gives them something to torture in Hell....
The Jews had no belief in immediate life after death, so Jesus would not have taught it. They believed in resurrection which is a whole other story....
The doctrine of "Innate Immortality of the Soul" essentially says the Soul is an inner, eternally existing "see-through person" aka "ghost" that inhabits the body "shell" and is released at death to travel to any one of several destinations, depending on who you ask. This is straight out of pagan, occult, satanic "mystery religion" that goes all the way back to the lying serpent in the Garden of Eden: "Thou shalt not surely die."
I know. You said that already.
Eighty-six pages and you still have no idea. ''Ain't learned a thing.''
Are you serious?
When spirit beings appeared to humans in human form, they ate and drank like any other human. The three angels who came to Abraham to bring news of Isaac's birth, and to escort Lot and his family out of Sodom, ate what was prepared for them. Can spirits eat? are spirits visible? If God is invisible, then so are all the other spirits.....it is not a tangible realm.
I agree with a lot of what you said about angels but what you say about Jesus is just speculation. Why would he still have the wounds in his hands and side that he showed to Thomas? John 20:27Are you serious?
The opening line is...."This can definitely be a confusing issue. It all goes back to the "mystery" of the Trinity."No bias there eh?
Since I have no belief in the "mystery" of the trinity, all I see is more tap dancing....
Jesus called his Father "My God" not only when he was in human flesh but after his return to heaven. John received the Revelation towards the close of the first century....Jesus died in 33CE. How can God have a God even in heaven.....? Seriously.
When spirit beings appeared to humans in human form, they ate and drank like any other human. The three angels who came to Abraham to bring news of Isaac's birth, and to escort Lot and his family out of Sodom, ate what was prepared for them. Can spirits eat? are spirits visible? If God is invisible, then so are all the other spirits.....it is not a tangible realm.
In Genesis 6 rebel spirits (sons of God) noticed "the daughter of men" that they were beautiful and became carnally infatuated with them, materializing fleshly bodies in order to indulge the pleasures of the flesh. Angels are sexless but always materialized as males. These males were able to produce offspring, who were responsible for the violence and immorality of Noah's day....so angels can produce bodies of flesh....perhaps satan materialized as a serpent in the garden? The Bible doesn't say.....but the body of Jesus was missing for the same reason that no one knew where Moses was buried....God did not allow his loyal one to see corruption as it was prophesied. (Acts 2:31; Luke 24:22-24)
The resurrected Jesus did not take back the body he sacrificed. He was resurrected in a new body...one that allowed him to materialize and dematerialize at will. He was sitting at a meal and when he broke the bread, they recognized him, and he simply vanished in front of their eyes. (Luke 24:30-35)
Why do you think even his own disciples didn't recognize him?
He returned to the spirit realm in a body like the one he had before his earthly mission.....why is that so hard to understand?
Your declaration that the word "arche" doesn't mean initiator or beginner is absolute nonsense.
Except for one glaring fact. God sent His only begotten Son. He didn't send His adopted son. Or created son. Or imaginary son. Only begotten has that very important component of being unique... Only one of a kind. Begotten that way. Born. The Father/Son paradigm is literal, real, and is a demonstration of the immense love of both, that becomes much less as other ideas are adopted.
