Who gets the worst punishment in the LoF?

[friend of]

LoF (lake of fire aka hell) Aside from Satan, the AC and the False Prophet, which sinful human beings get the worst punishment? Is it false teachers who lure unstable souls into perdition? Is it the death row inmates who kill and rape? Is it the apostates who experienced the gift of the Holy Spirit but then rejected Him and rebelled?

Discuss and have a nice day please ty

 

[MatthewG]

Idk.

To me I see the lake of fire coming from God and people who desire perhaps the truth of Christ that are outside the city can partake in the second death which is perhaps dying of self.

All that I really can get from scripture in Revelation 21-22 is that still people are living outside of the kingdom.

That people aside from Satan (who is in the fire forever with the false prophet and beast); only have a “part” in the lake of fire.

And that all shall confess that Jesus is Lord one day; and the city gates never close.

But this is not universalism. Because it’s only by Jesus Christ one can enter into the kingdom; thus meaning not all ways lead to getting to be with God; then again God is the judge and he reads the hearts of every person.

May the God of peace be with you.

 

[Taken]

LoF (lake of fire aka hell) Aside from Satan, the AC and the False Prophet,

Aside from Satan, False Prophet, (which I believe are evil spirits that have entered the body’s of two human men) and the Beast (which I believe are earthly governments)....being cast into the lake of fire...(which I believe IS in hell, but is not hell itself)

which sinful human beings get the worst punishment?

Punishment of a man, being cast into the lake of fire, is:
A Lifeless body and Lifeless soul (of a man)...not a mans body with a soul in his body, which that is without LIFE, feels nothing, is burned up and becomes ash, and remembered no more.
Body without life...is a body without Blood...a body without a soul.
Soul without life....is a soul without Gods Breath in it.
Gods Life NEVER Dies. Life IN a soul returns to God.
Body without Blood is dead. Lifeless soul, Lifeless body destroyed.

That “punishment / consequence”, comes After Judgement.
That “punishment / consequence”, applies to any man...whose NAME does not appear in:
1) Gods Book of Life...(name does not appear, because it was recorded, but blotted out, when the mans Body Died in Disbelief in God.)
2) Lambs Book of Life...(when the man knew of Jesus and rejected belief in Him, such mans name would not be entered into the Lambs Book of Life.)

Two Books...applicable to men of varied Ages of Time.
Dependent on which man Lived in which Age of Time, and What that man believed on the day of his Physical Bodily Death, determines....
IF and WHEN, his body is raised up in glory...or destroyed and forgotten.

Is it false teachers who lure unstable souls into perdition? Is it the death row inmates who kill and rape? Is it the apostates who experienced the gift of the Holy Spirit but then rejected Him and rebelled?
Discuss and have a nice day please ty

Rape, murder, lying, cheating, immorality, etc. does not carte’ blanch ...
INCLUDE or EXCLUDE any man’s body and soul being cast into the Lake of Fire.

God IS Merciful. Nothing is so egregious (EXCEPT for LYING to the Holy Spirit), that a man can NOT be forgiven....BEFORE he physically bodily dies.

It’s the individual mans OPTION up to the moment of his physical bodily death, that he has Opportunity to Confess his heartful belief and Repent for having had Not believed...and he SHALL be saved...

Then there is the consideration of ERA. A specific time, God shall send down from Heaven, HIS tribulations and wrath upon the earth and ALL inhabitants OF the Earth shall in some negative manner be effected.

The SAVED IN Christ, are not subject to THAT era of devastation, they being lifted up off the face of the earth.

Some ON and OF the earth, SHALL during that Era, elect to choose to Believe, choose to Confess Belief and others will continue to Not Believe.
Believers, Confessors....SHALL be saved, Many bodily killed, during that Era.
Rejectors .... SHALL not be saved, ALL experiencing horrific plagues, during the last days that Era.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Aside from Satan, False Prophet, (which I believe are evil spirits that have entered the body’s of two human men) and the Beast (which I believe are earthly governments)....being cast into the lake of fire...(which I believe IS in hell, but is not hell itself)



Punishment of a man, being cast into the lake of fire, is:
A Lifeless body and Lifeless soul (of a man)...not a mans body with a soul in his body, which that is without LIFE, feels nothing, is burned up and becomes ash, and remembered no more.
Body without life...is a body without Blood...a body without a soul.
Soul without life....is a soul without Gods Breath in it.
Gods Life NEVER Dies. Life IN a soul returns to God.
Body without Blood is dead. Lifeless soul, Lifeless body destroyed.

That “punishment / consequence”, comes After Judgement.
That “punishment / consequence”, applies to any man...whose NAME does not appear in:
1) Gods Book of Life...(name does not appear, because it was recorded, but blotted out, when the mans Body Died in Disbelief in God.)
2) Lambs Book of Life...(when the man knew of Jesus and rejected belief in Him, such mans name would not be entered into the Lambs Book of Life.)

Two Books...applicable to men of varied Ages of Time.
Dependent on which man Lived in which Age of Time, and What that man believed on the day of his Physical Bodily Death, determines....
IF and WHEN, his body is raised up in glory...or destroyed and forgotten.




Rape, murder, lying, cheating, immorality, etc. does not carte’ blanch ...
INCLUDE or EXCLUDE any man’s body and soul being cast into the Lake of Fire.

God IS Merciful. Nothing is so egregious (EXCEPT for LYING to the Holy Spirit), that a man can NOT be forgiven....BEFORE he physically bodily dies.

It’s the individual mans OPTION up to the moment of his physical bodily death, that he has Opportunity to Confess his heartful belief and Repent for having had Not believed...and he SHALL be saved...

Then there is the consideration of ERA. A specific time, God shall send down from Heaven, HIS tribulations and wrath upon the earth and ALL inhabitants OF the Earth shall in some negative manner be effected.

The SAVED IN Christ, are not subject to THAT era of devastation, they being lifted up off the face of the earth.

Some ON and OF the earth, SHALL during that Era, elect to choose to Believe, choose to Confess Belief and others will continue to Not Believe.
Believers, Confessors....SHALL be saved, Many bodily killed, during that Era.
Rejectors .... SHALL not be saved, ALL experiencing horrific plagues, during the last days that Era.

This expression, "Lake of Fire" occurs only in the book of Revelation and is clearly symbolic. The Bible gives its own explanation and definition of the symbol by stating: “This means the second death, the lake of fire.”(Revelation 20:14; 21:8)

The symbolic quality of the lake of fire is further evident from the context of references to it in the book of Revelation. Death is said to be hurled into this lake of fire. (Revelation 19:20; 20:14) Death obviously cannot be literally burned. Also, the Devil, who is an invisible spirit creature, is thrown into the lake. Being spirit, he cannot be hurt by literal fire.(Revelation 20:10) Compare Exodus 3:2 and Judges 13:20

Since the lake of fire represents “the second death” and since Revelation 20:14 says that both “death and Hades” are to be cast into it, it is evident that the lake of fire cannot represent the death man has inherited from Adam (Roman 5:12), neither does it refer to Hades or Sheol. It must, therefore, be symbolic of another kind of death, one that is without reversal, for the record nowhere speaks of the “lake of fire” as giving up those in it, as do Adamic death and Hades or Sheol. (Revelation 20:13) So, those not found written in “the book of life,” who are unrepentant opposers of God’s sovereignty, are hurled into the lake of fire, meaning eternal destruction, or the second death.(Revelation 20:15)

While these texts make it evident the symbolic quality of the lake of fire, it has been used by some persons to support belief in a literal place of fire and torment. Revelation 20:10 has been appealed to, because it speaks of the Devil, the wild beast, and the false prophet as being “tormented day and night forever and ever” in the lake of fire. However, this cannot refer to actual conscious torment. Those thrown into the lake of fire undergo “the second death.” (Revelation 20:14) In death there is no consciousness and, hence, no feeling of pain or suffering.(Ecclesiastes 9:5)

In the Scriptures fiery torment is associated with destruction and death. For example, in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures the word for torment (basanos) is several times used with reference to punishment by death. (Ezekiel 3:20; 32:24, 30) Similarly, concerning Babylon the Great, the book of Revelation says, “the kings of the earth, will weep and beat themselves in grief over her, when they look at the smoke from the burning of her, while they stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment [Greek: basanismou].” (Revelation 18:9, 10) As to the meaning of the torment, an angel later explains: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.” (Revelation 18:21) So, fiery torment here is parallel with destruction, and in the case of Babylon the Great, it is everlasting destruction.Compare Revelation 17:16; 18:8, 15-17, 19.

Therefore, those who are ‘tormented forever’ (from Greek: basanizo) in the lake of fire undergo “second death” from which there is no resurrection. The related Greek word basanistes is translated ‘jailer’ in Matthew 18:34.(RS, NW, ED; compare verse 30. ) So those hurled into the lake of fire will be held under restraint, or “jailed,” in death throughout eternity.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

LoF (lake of fire aka hell) Aside from Satan, the AC and the False Prophet, which sinful human beings get the worst punishment? Is it false teachers who lure unstable souls into perdition? Is it the death row inmates who kill and rape? Is it the apostates who experienced the gift of the Holy Spirit but then rejected Him and rebelled?

Discuss and have a nice day please ty

Technically, the LOF and hell are separate places. Otherwise, it would not say that in the end, hell is thrown into the LOF.

As to judging who will ultimately go there, nosiree. There’s too much I still don’t understand of the parables to judge that. God will judge it.

 

[Patrick1966]

But this is not universalism. Because it’s only by Jesus Christ one can enter into the kingdom; thus meaning not all ways lead to getting to be with God; then again God is the judge and he reads the hearts of every person.

ALL will be reconciled to God - eventually. Yes, Jesus is the only way.

John 1:29

English Standard Version

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Behold, the Lamb of God​

29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[Patrick1966]

As to judging who will ultimately go there, nosiree. There’s too much I still don’t understand of the parables to judge that. God will judge it.

I believe many will go but I also believe, based on scripture, that their stay is temporary, purifying, and restorative.

 

[Adam]

Here is who Jesus says woe to:

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

(ESV)
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

In other words, it seems that the worst punishments are for those who turn others towards sin. I presume because then you also become accountable for their sins in addition to your own. Chilling! So be careful with what you say to others and never give bad advice.

 

[marks]

LoF (lake of fire aka hell) Aside from Satan, the AC and the False Prophet, which sinful human beings get the worst punishment? Is it false teachers who lure unstable souls into perdition? Is it the death row inmates who kill and rape? Is it the apostates who experienced the gift of the Holy Spirit but then rejected Him and rebelled?

Discuss and have a nice day please ty

Hi friend of,

What is your answer?

Much love!

 

[Patrick1966]

Here is who Jesus says woe to:

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

(ESV)
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

In other words, it seems that the worst punishments are for those who turn others towards sin. I presume because then you also become accountable for their sins in addition to your own. Chilling! So be careful with what you say to others and never give bad advice.

Amen to that!

 

[Taken]

@BARNEY BRIGHT ~

I don’t much lean on the terms Symbolism, Allegory, and such regarding Scripture.
I see a difference in how things are said in Scripture as having a DUEL understanding...
1) According to a Carnal Minds Understanding /ie Logical Understanding
2) According to Gods Understanding /ie. Spiritual Understanding.

DEATH has a Logical Understanding.......Life ceases to be Alive.
DEATH has a Spiritual Understanding.....Separated from God. (Alive or Dead).

God CREATED; and THEN; MADE express things happen to His Creations.

The MYSTERY is: once God CREATED all things;
* no thing can ever Be “Uncreated”...
* it can be MADE “changed” to appear to look different.
* it can be GIVEN a “different”, title, name, status, appearance.

* Mans (Vessel) is a body, CREATED / Formed by God, of dust of the Earth.
* Mans Internal (Vessel) is his heart...carrying mans LIFE (BLOOD) throughout and sustaining his body, with all the elements of the Earth.

* A (Vessel) that belongs to God, is a soul.
* The Life in that (Vessel) is Gods Breath of Life.
* THAT soul (Vessel) WITH Gods LIFE (Breath) is blown (By God) into an Individual, formed, born body.

* Two LIFE sources IN a natural born man...
(BLOOD)
(Gods BREATH)

* Mans BLOOD, ceases flowing, sustaining its body, body ceases having LIFE.
* Gods possessive (vessel) soul with Gods Life, DEPARTS the Lifeless, Dead Body.

* A Third LIFE SOURCE Offering of God, to man-KIND...
* An OFFERING, a gift, that man (while alive in his BODILY Blood Life), “must”, decide, choose, IF he wants to ACCEPT or REJECT Gods OFFERING of a THIRD Life source, that WILL NEVER Die....not physically, not spiritually.
* This THIRD Source Offering, ASSURES that mans, BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT, will be ALIVE FOREVER, and FOREVER with God.

* The THRID Life SOURCE?
Gods SEED.
* Once Gods SEED is “planted” it grows, is taught, Gods Truth, Gods Understanding.
* PLANTED ? WHERE?
* In a NEW VESSEL. What is this NEW VESSEL? A new HEART.
* What happened to the OLD Heart?
* Circumcision.
* How is this “new Heart”, “taught, Gods Truth, Gods Understanding” ?
* By, Through, Of....the Spirit of God...Having Entered that Circumcised new Heart...FEEDING that mans New Born Spirit...Gods Truth and Understanding thereof His truth.

Matters not how frequent or infrequent the “Lake of Fire” is mentioned in Scripture...It is a PLACE of Eternal Separation FROM God...(which IS Spiritual DEATH)...OF
* continual Fire
* continual Smoke
* mans body without blood and without a circumcised heart.
* souls without Gods breath,
* celestial living spirits, that can not physically die, that rejected God,
* hell
* the Beasts, Whores of human governments,
* Physical things are MADE ... ASH ... by the element of FIRE.
* Spiritual things (celestial beings) ... are MADE continually burning...without God, without relief or without ability to escape.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It helps to know the difference between “hades” and “Gehenna”.....both are translated “Hell” in many English translations. Neither are places where people are conscious or suffering.

“Hades” is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew “Sheol” where Solomon says the dead are in an unconscious state.....the Bible refers to the dead as “sleeping”. (1 Thess 4:13; John 11:11)

Ecclesiastes 9 : 5, 10.....
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. . . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, [sheol] where you are going.”

“Gehenna” OTOH, is a place where things go to be eliminated from existence. Fire is a symbol of destruction in the Bible and “Gehenna” was referred to by Jesus as the final place where the wicked Pharisees were destined to end up. (Matt23:33)

Mark 9:43...
“If ever your hand makes you stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to go off with two hands into Ge·henʹna, into the fire that cannot be put out.”

“Gehenna” was the Valley of Hinnom, which was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where the fires were kept burning day and night by the addition of brimstone (sulfur) to dispose of the rubbish. Dead things (even the bodies of executed criminals) were thrown into Gehenna to dispose of them, not to punish them. What the flames missed the maggots finished off.

This is what Jesus alluded to in Mark 9:47-48....
“And if your eye makes you stumble, throw it away. It is better for you to enter one-eyed into the Kingdom of God than to be thrown with two eyes into Ge·henʹna, 48 where the maggot does not die and the fire is not put out.”

It’s about garbage disposal (even human garbage from God’s standpoint) so that what goes into “Gehenna” (or “the lake of fire”) never comes out. Its called “the second death” because mankind can be resurrected from “hades” but there is no coming out of Gehenna.....it symbolises eternal death....eternal destruction.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

@BARNEY BRIGHT ~

I don’t much lean on the terms Symbolism, Allegory, and such regarding Scripture.
I see a difference in how things are said in Scripture as having a DUEL understanding...
1) According to a Carnal Minds Understanding /ie Logical Understanding
2) According to Gods Understanding /ie. Spiritual Understanding.

DEATH has a Logical Understanding.......Life ceases to be Alive.
DEATH has a Spiritual Understanding.....Separated from God. (Alive or Dead).

God CREATED; and THEN; MADE express things happen to His Creations.

The MYSTERY is: once God CREATED all things;
* no thing can ever Be “Uncreated”...
* it can be MADE “changed” to appear to look different.
* it can be GIVEN a “different”, title, name, status, appearance.

* Mans (Vessel) is a body, CREATED / Formed by God, of dust of the Earth.
* Mans Internal (Vessel) is his heart...carrying mans LIFE (BLOOD) throughout and sustaining his body, with all the elements of the Earth.

* A (Vessel) that belongs to God, is a soul.
* The Life in that (Vessel) is Gods Breath of Life.
* THAT soul (Vessel) WITH Gods LIFE (Breath) is blown (By God) into an Individual, formed, born body.

* Two LIFE sources IN a natural born man...
(BLOOD)
(Gods BREATH)

* Mans BLOOD, ceases flowing, sustaining its body, body ceases having LIFE.
* Gods possessive (vessel) soul with Gods Life, DEPARTS the Lifeless, Dead Body.

* A Third LIFE SOURCE Offering of God, to man-KIND...
* An OFFERING, a gift, that man (while alive in his BODILY Blood Life), “must”, decide, choose, IF he wants to ACCEPT or REJECT Gods OFFERING of a THIRD Life source, that WILL NEVER Die....not physically, not spiritually.
* This THIRD Source Offering, ASSURES that mans, BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT, will be ALIVE FOREVER, and FOREVER with God.

* The THRID Life SOURCE?
Gods SEED.
* Once Gods SEED is “planted” it grows, is taught, Gods Truth, Gods Understanding.
* PLANTED ? WHERE?
* In a NEW VESSEL. What is this NEW VESSEL? A new HEART.
* What happened to the OLD Heart?
* Circumcision.
* How is this “new Heart”, “taught, Gods Truth, Gods Understanding” ?
* By, Through, Of....the Spirit of God...Having Entered that Circumcised new Heart...FEEDING that mans New Born Spirit...Gods Truth and Understanding thereof His truth.

Matters not how frequent or infrequent the “Lake of Fire” is mentioned in Scripture...It is a PLACE of Eternal Separation FROM God...(which IS Spiritual DEATH)...OF
* continual Fire
* continual Smoke
* mans body without blood and without a circumcised heart.
* souls without Gods breath,
* celestial living spirits, that can not physically die, that rejected God,
* hell
* the Beasts, Whores of human governments,
* Physical things are MADE ... ASH ... by the element of FIRE.
* Spiritual things (celestial beings) ... are MADE continually burning...without God, without relief or without ability to escape.

What I know, is people can use expressions like, "carnal minds" when they're replying to people who have disagreed with what they have said not being in agreement with scripture. But it never fails to escape my notice that it's these people they're replying to, who have disagreed with them that are the one's who are using only their carnal minds. It's never the ones who are replying to such people that have the carnal mind thinking. So the point I'm making is, Taken it's just as possible it's you who is using your carnal mind. You are like everyone else in the world, an imperfect human being. You're not infallible. So just because the people you reply to, you think are the ones who are using the carnal mind thinking, it's just as easy you who is using the carnal mind mentality. You can honestly and truly think you're correct in what you're saying to be true with no doubts whatsoever and still be incorrect in what you're saying is true regarding the scriptures Taken.

For instance, someone saying the True God can bring something into existence, but not be able to destroy out of existence what he brought into existence, now I think that's someone using only their carnal minds. If God has the ability, the power, to bring something into existence, it's not impossible for him to destroy out of existence what he has brought into existence. Are there people out there, that really think it's impossible for God to destroy out of existence, what he brought into existence? These people, think the True God, is that weak in power?

 

[Taken]

What I know, is people can use expressions like, "carnal minds" when they're replying to people who have disagreed with what they have said not being in agreement with scripture. But it never fails to escape my notice that it's these people they're replying to, who have disagreed with them that are the one's who are using only their carnal minds. It's never the ones who are replying to such people that have the carnal mind thinking. So the point I'm making is, Taken it's just as possible it's you who is using your carnal mind. You are like everyone else in the world, an imperfect human being. You're not infallible. So just because the people you reply to, you think are the ones who are using the carnal mind thinking, it's just as easy you who is using the carnal mind mentality. You can honestly and truly think you're correct in what you're saying to be true with no doubts whatsoever and still be incorrect in what you're saying is true regarding the scriptures Taken.

For instance, someone saying the True God can bring something into existence, but not be able to destroy out of existence what he brought into existence, now I think that's someone using only their carnal minds. If God has the ability, the power, to bring something into existence, it's not impossible for him to destroy out of existence what he has brought into existence. Are there people out there, that really think it's impossible for God to destroy out of existence, what he brought into existence? These people, think the True God, is that weak in power?

Destroy...the earth was destroyed...Yet this world is without end.
...earth is DRY land. Earth covered with water is no longer dry land.

God said he would destroy man...Yet man returns to dust.

Destroy...a body by fire...Yet the ash remains. A body is formed from dust.
Burn the body and it returns to ash/dust.

Destroy is simply “MAKING” what appeared as ONE thing, appear as ANOTHER thing. And the ORIGIN of how it was first MADE is no longer recognizable.

God is the Creator .... and Maker. He does not UNCREATE....but He certainly continues MAKING.


It matters none to me how or why you determine your understanding. I know where the Understanding of Gods word comes from and I know WHO I solicit for Understanding of Gods word. And I know when people are quoting and the difference between Gods Understanding and mans understanding via, scientists, scholars, commentaries, extra biblical writings, philosophers, mindful logic, etc. as their source for understanding.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hi friend of,

What is your answer?

Much love!

My advice to all is , instead of air conditioning the lake of fire or trying to omit it all together ,
HERES A THOUGHT , PREACH JESUS CHRIST . cause all who believe in HIM wont have to go to the lake o fire .

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Destroy...the earth was destroyed...Yet this world is without end.
...earth is DRY land. Earth covered with water is no longer dry land.

God said he would destroy man...Yet man returns to dust.

Destroy...a body by fire...Yet the ash remains. A body is formed from dust.
Burn the body and it returns to ash/dust.

Destroy is simply “MAKING” what appeared as ONE thing, appear as ANOTHER thing. And the ORIGIN of how it was first MADE is no longer recognizable.

God is the Creator .... and Maker. He does not UNCREATE....but He certainly continues MAKING.


It matters none to me how or why you determine your understanding. I know where the Understanding of Gods word comes from and I know WHO I solicit for Understanding of Gods word. And I know when people are quoting and the difference between Gods Understanding and mans understanding via, scientists, scholars, commentaries, extra biblical writings, philosophers, mindful logic, etc. as their source for understanding.

From what I see in the scriptures, when a human dies, he/she ceases to exist as a living person. I honestly believe anyone saying different, doesn't believe in death. When a person dies, whether that person is righteous in Gods eyes or unrighteous in God's eyes, they both cease to exist as living persons, this is sleeping in death. Whether they exist as living persons again, meaning, whether or not such persons get a resurrection back into existence as living persons or not, whether they wake up from that sleep, is up to God, he decides. So if God judges a person unworthy to exist as a living person again, meaning God has judged that person not deserving of a resurrection back into existence as a living person, God has the authority, and the power, to make that happen. So for me anyone who tries to teach me that God can bring a living person into existence, but he doesn't have the ability, the power, or authority to cause that living person to cease to exist as a living person for eternity, that I will not agree with. I know there will be people who disagree with me, so what, many disagreed with Jesus, and I'm certainly not better than Jesus, so there will be those who will disagree with me.

 

[Taken]

From what I see in the scriptures, when a human dies, he/she ceases to exist as a living person. I honestly believe anyone saying different, doesn't believe in death. When a person dies, whether that person is righteous in Gods eyes or unrighteous in God's eyes, they both cease to exist as living persons, this is sleeping in death. Whether they exist as living persons again, meaning, whether or not such persons get a resurrection back into existence as living persons or not, whether they wake up from that sleep, is up to God, he decides. So if God judges a person unworthy to exist as a living person again, meaning God has judged that person not deserving of a resurrection back into existence as a living person, God has the authority, and the power, to make that happen. So for me anyone who tries to teach me that God can bring a living person into existence, but he doesn't have the ability, the power, or authority to cause that living person to cease to exist as a living person for eternity, that I will not agree with. I know there will be people who disagree with me, so what, many disagreed with Jesus, and I'm certainly not better than Jesus, so there will be those who will disagree with me.

You are hung up on the term cease to exist.
I believe creation simply changes matter. Dust to man, man to Dust.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You are hung up on the term cease to exist.
I believe creation simply changes matter. Dust to man, man to Dust.

I understand from the scriptures that when the breath(spirit) of life is blown into a flesh and blood human body the flesh and blood human body becomes a living soul, or living person, so it comes into existence as a living soul or living person and he/she, thinks, feels, speaks, hears, etc. However if the breath(spirit) of life is no longer in the flesh and blood human body, that flesh and blood human body no longer is a living soul or living person. That flesh and blood human body ceases to exist as a living soul or living person and he/she no longer, thinks, feels, speaks, hears etc. So at death the flesh and blood human body ceases to exist as a living soul or living person.
Those who are like you who think that at death the person continues existing in another form believe as the pagans who worshipped false God's and believed there was no death but the the living soul or living person continued living in another form. The scriptures don't teach that. The scriptures teach that when a human being dies he/she sleeps in death until they're resurrected back into existence as living souls or living persons.

 

[quietthinker]

Technically, the LOF and hell are separate places. Otherwise, it would not say that in the end, hell is thrown into the LOF.

what if it's a literary device to reinforce the finality of the end of suffering and sin

 

[Apache1]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to send billions of us here to suffer and die because a whiny fallen angel threw a tantrum and was deemed more important than any of us