Who is the son?

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

John 1 The Word was God.

Amen Jesus, You are God.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.

Interesting that you only quote only the last part of that Scripture. Obviously the way your Bible is translated contradicts the first part of that Scripture. Interesting.

 

[kcnalp]

Interesting that you only quote only the last part of that Scripture. Obviously the way your Bible is translated contradicts the first part of that Scripture. Interesting.

Do JW's always attack our Christian Bibles? They all say you're wrong. Even your NWT says JW's are wrong.

 

[101G]

Jesus, the human was not omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent while on earth. Those were what he emptied Himself of. When He asked the Father to give Him back the glory He had when He was with the Father, He regained those attributes.

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for your reply, second, the Lord Jesus, as stated made HIMSELF G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') according to Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" THIS WE AGREE ON. but what is left to understand is how our God G2758 κενόω kenoo himself in flesh and yet remained God in his omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent state. this I believe if we understand this then any barriers in our beliefs will vanish. so I'll give my understanding of what I believe ok.

starting with Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" two word to understand,
a. "being", meaning present tense, that our Lord Jesus is God, who is Spirit. because God is a Spirit, per John 4:24. so clearly the Nature of our Lord Jesus is "Spirit". the second word, b. "With", indicate that Jesus is the same one person whom we call God and Father. lets prove this out by the scriptures. WITH, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." here, "WITH" is indicating the same one person, meaning that the WORD is GOD and not that the Word, (whom calls the Son), is a separate person from the one whom many say is God the Father as indicated by the term "GOD" here in John 1:1. here is the ERROR, Word/Son... God/Father, two separate person, right? ... WRONG.
let's prove this out by scripture, in Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here in Isaiah 41:4 WITH is used just as in John 1:1, but here we can clearly see that it's one person, because the scripture states, "I the LORD, the first". I is a single person designation, meaning only ONE PERSON. and this same one person I said that he is "WITH" the Last, but watch what he also said, "I am he" the I is saying that he is the First and the Last, the same one Person. and we can clearly prove this by a second witness of scripture to make our testimony true. listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO. this one person, GOD, clearly said that he is the First and ... "ALSO" ... the Last. this is clear as DAY. so GOD here in Isaiah as well as in John 1:1 is saying that I AM ONE PERSON. now that we know that, let's go back to Philippians 2 and understand how God, ONE PERSON could G2758 κενόω kenoo, (make himself empty of his powers, and yet have all of his power at the same time). again scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" here is the first clue, the Term "Form" here in Phil 2:6 is the Greek word G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

I'm using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments for this definition. NOTICE DEFINITION #2. our Lord Jesus who is God have the same NATURE, why? because he is "GOD", that's why. but, here's the revelation to understand the NATURE of the Lord Jesus the Son, it is found in the ROOT of G3444 μορφή morphe, which is G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.
3. (as an adverb) partly, in part.
4. (as a participle) participating (i.e. the act of taking part in).
5. a piece (i.e. a limited portion).
6. (of location) a district.
7. (of livelihood) an occupation (i.e. as ones' portion in life).
8. a portion in Jesus (see John 13:8).
{literally or figuratively, in a wide application}
[from an obsolete but more primary form of μείρομαι mȇírȏmai “to get as a section or allotment”]
KJV: behalf, course, coast, craft, particular (+ -ly), part (+ -ly), piece, portion, respect, side, some sort(-what)

again I have given the whole definition so that you can see it in it's entirety, so that it want be any question later about this definition.
notice definition #1. a portion, which means "SHARE", for another word for portion is "SHARE". which mean it was no part or piece of God that was G2758 κενόω kenoo as definition # 3, & 5 states, but as the EQUAL SHARE all of the EQUAL SHARE was G2758 κενόω kenoo. see, God is not divided, nor split, nor is he a separate persons of three (3). no, he's the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh as the ordinal Last. and being in this shared state as the ordinal Last, having took on flesh and blood as, as, as, as, in the LIKENESS as a man, (see Philippians 2:7b and verse 8), he God now as a man could die a NATURAL death from that flesh he took on.

so clearly God who is ONE person "SHARED" himself equally in flesh as the "Son" who is the Ordinal "last", neutralize , or empty himself of his omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent powers to die for our sins. this is why he, God, the Lord Jesus said in John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, he, at the same time is Spirit running or upholding all his creation. see it now. not three person, no. but one person "SHARED".
now someone might say, "this diversified oneness is not in the bible". I will say yes it is. let us show you. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." see that word "OFFSPRING" here, it's the Greek word, G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

the term "Offspring" means, KIN, as in KINSman REDEEMER, for God is in flesh. as REDEEMER, his flesh that he came in was "born" as the KJV points out. but also the KJV makes it clear that the OFFSPRING, or the only begotten Son is, and can according to the KJV be called the "DIVERSITY" , simply put he's the ordinal LAST to his ordinal FIRST. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

and what do Last here mean? G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).place or time? scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," when was this TIME? John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." SEE THAT WORD, "beginning", its the GREEK word G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

BINGO there it is in definition #2 TIME and PLACE, God don't LIE.

see CharismaticLady, GOD is one person who shared himself in flesh and this one ONE person is the HOLY Spirit, get it, Holy........ "Spirit", God is a, a, a, a, Spirit and he is HOLY... Holy Spirit. again God is a Spirit who is HOLY. that's the only person in the Godhead, and he, the Holy Spirit Holds both titles Father, and Son. that's it. for clarity, a re-read of this post may be in order. see CharismaticLady, we have answered the question, "how God was in heaven and at the same time on earth in a flesh body.

now if you have a different understanding, please post it. and we can discuss both understanding. -

PICJAG

 

[Truther]

JESUS is the Father who is the ordinal "First". and JESUS is the Son who is the ordinal "LAST", meaning he, Jesus is the "First"/Father, and the "Last"/Son.

PICJAG.

The son Gave birth to himself(impregnated his mother)?

 

[101G]

The son Gave birth to himself(impregnated his mother)?

NO

PICJAG

 

[Truther]

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for your reply, second, the Lord Jesus, as stated made HIMSELF G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') according to Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" THIS WE AGREE ON. but what is left to understand is how our God G2758 κενόω kenoo himself in flesh and yet remained God in his omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent state. this I believe if we understand this then any barriers in our beliefs will vanish. so I'll give my understanding of what I believe ok.

starting with Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" two word to understand,
a. "being", meaning present tense, that our Lord Jesus is God, who is Spirit. because God is a Spirit, per John 4:24. so clearly the Nature of our Lord Jesus is "Spirit". the second word, b. "With", indicate that Jesus is the same one person whom we call God and Father. lets prove this out by the scriptures. WITH, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." here, "WITH" is indicating the same one person, meaning that the WORD is GOD and not that the Word, (whom calls the Son), is a separate person from the one whom many say is God the Father as indicated by the term "GOD" here in John 1:1. here is the ERROR, Word/Son... God/Father, two separate person, right? ... WRONG.
let's prove this out by scripture, in Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here in Isaiah 41:4 WITH is used just as in John 1:1, but here we can clearly see that it's one person, because the scripture states, "I the LORD, the first". I is a single person designation, meaning only ONE PERSON. and this same one person I said that he is "WITH" the Last, but watch what he also said, "I am he" the I is saying that he is the First and the Last, the same one Person. and we can clearly prove this by a second witness of scripture to make our testimony true. listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO. this one person, GOD, clearly said that he is the First and ... "ALSO" ... the Last. this is clear as DAY. so GOD here in Isaiah as well as in John 1:1 is saying that I AM ONE PERSON. now that we know that, let's go back to Philippians 2 and understand how God, ONE PERSON could G2758 κενόω kenoo, (make himself empty of his powers, and yet have all of his power at the same time). again scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" here is the first clue, the Term "Form" here in Phil 2:6 is the Greek word G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

I'm using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments for this definition. NOTICE DEFINITION #2. our Lord Jesus who is God have the same NATURE, why? because he is "GOD", that's why. but, here's the revelation to understand the NATURE of the Lord Jesus the Son, it is found in the ROOT of G3444 μορφή morphe, which is G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.
3. (as an adverb) partly, in part.
4. (as a participle) participating (i.e. the act of taking part in).
5. a piece (i.e. a limited portion).
6. (of location) a district.
7. (of livelihood) an occupation (i.e. as ones' portion in life).
8. a portion in Jesus (see John 13:8).
{literally or figuratively, in a wide application}
[from an obsolete but more primary form of μείρομαι mȇírȏmai “to get as a section or allotment”]
KJV: behalf, course, coast, craft, particular (+ -ly), part (+ -ly), piece, portion, respect, side, some sort(-what)

again I have given the whole definition so that you can see it in it's entirety, so that it want be any question later about this definition.
notice definition #1. a portion, which means "SHARE", for another word for portion is "SHARE". which mean it was no part or piece of God that was G2758 κενόω kenoo as definition # 3, & 5 states, but as the EQUAL SHARE all of the EQUAL SHARE was G2758 κενόω kenoo. see, God is not divided, nor split, nor is he a separate persons of three (3). no, he's the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh as the ordinal Last. and being in this shared state as the ordinal Last, having took on flesh and blood as, as, as, as, in the LIKENESS as a man, (see Philippians 2:7b and verse 8), he God now as a man could die a NATURAL death from that flesh he took on.

so clearly God who is ONE person "SHARED" himself equally in flesh as the "Son" who is the Ordinal "last", neutralize , or empty himself of his omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent powers to die for our sins. this is why he, God, the Lord Jesus said in John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, he, at the same time is Spirit running or upholding all his creation. see it now. not three person, no. but one person "SHARED".
now someone might say, "this diversified oneness is not in the bible". I will say yes it is. let us show you. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." see that word "OFFSPRING" here, it's the Greek word, G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

the term "Offspring" means, KIN, as in KINSman REDEEMER, for God is in flesh. as REDEEMER, his flesh that he came in was "born" as the KJV points out. but also the KJV makes it clear that the OFFSPRING, or the only begotten Son is, and can according to the KJV be called the "DIVERSITY" , simply put he's the ordinal LAST to his ordinal FIRST. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

and what do Last here mean? G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).place or time? scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," when was this TIME? John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." SEE THAT WORD, "beginning", its the GREEK word G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

BINGO there it is in definition #2 TIME and PLACE, God don't LIE.

see CharismaticLady, GOD is one person who shared himself in flesh and this one ONE person is the HOLY Spirit, get it, Holy........ "Spirit", God is a, a, a, a, Spirit and he is HOLY... Holy Spirit. again God is a Spirit who is HOLY. that's the only person in the Godhead, and he, the Holy Spirit Holds both titles Father, and Son. that's it. for clarity, a re-read of this post may be in order. see CharismaticLady, we have answered the question, "how God was in heaven and at the same time on earth in a flesh body.

now if you have a different understanding, please post it. and we can discuss both understanding. -

PICJAG

God thought it not robbery to be equal with Himself?

Or the last Adam(a human) thought it not robbery...?

 

[101G]

The son Gave birth to himself(impregnated his mother)?

this is why so many people are still blind, do they understand what eminate means in the "Equal Share", of God's diversity? one needs to re-read post #63 slowely

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

NO

PICJAG

If the son is the Father, then the Father(son) impregnated Mary.

Kinda pagan in origin, like Semeramis.

 

[101G]

God thought it not robbery to be equal with Himself?

Or the last Adam(a human) thought it not robbery...?

again read post #63

PICJAG

 

[101G]

If the son is the Father, then the Father(son) impregnated Mary.

Kinda pagan in origin, like Semeramis.

again read Post # 63

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

this is why so many people are still blind, do they understand what eminate means in the "Equal Share", of God's diversity? one needs to re-read post #63 slowely

PICJAG.

No, Phil 2 is speaking of a perfect, sinless human that thought it not a crime to be equal with God.

You are blinded by the incarnationist theory which originated from the RCC.

 

[Truther]

Even the Jews accused the last Adam of thinking he was equal with God, which led to his murder.

 

[101G]

No, Phil 2 is speaking of a perfect, sinless human that thought it not a crime to be equal with God.

You are blinded by the incarnationist theory which originated from the RCC.

@Truther
read Post #39 the #2 section.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Even the Jews accused the last Adam of thinking he was equal with God, which led to his murder.

why do you think that?...... maybe because he was God?.

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

@Truther
read Post #39 the #2 section.

PICJAG.

So.

You are saying "with" God?

I am arguing with you, but am I you or near you?

 

[Truther]

why do you think that?...... maybe because he was God?.

PICJAG.

No, because he being a MAN, said he was equal with God,

 

[101G]

So.

You are saying "with" God?

I am arguing with you, but am I you or near you?

why argue with me? argue for scripture. you still don't understand "eminate" do you. I'm sorry post #31 part #2.

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

Do JW's always attack our Christian Bibles? They all say you're wrong. Even your NWT says JW's are wrong.

The NWT is a close cousin of the NIV.

Better stick to the KJV, which clobbers them both.

 

[101G]

No, because he being a MAN, said he was equal with God,

2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

ok T, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
being is a present tense desigination. and for of God is NATURE, so being in God Nature is Spirit. and by taking on flesh and blood, but Not a PARTAKER in it... see the difference. do you know the difference between "TOOK PART and PARTAKE?

see that's your mistake..

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

why argue with me? argue for scripture. you still don't understand "eminate" do you. I'm sorry post #31 part #2.

PICJAG.

"Eminate" is in Phil 2?