Who Really Are The 144,000?

[Davy]

You can go to ten different Churches and you may hear ten different interpretations of just who the 144,000 of Revelation 7 are. For some reason, those who don't actually know, because they don't heed what is written there in Rev.7 as being literal, come up with all sorts of wild concoctions for who it means. But stick to God's Word as written, and it becomes revealed in simplicity.

Rev 7:1-4
7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

That above description is about the very end of this present world. That is what those above symbols point to, the destruction of 2 Peter 3:10 on the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this present world. Those 4 angels represent the power to go forth on that last day.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

That is revealing a hold on those 4 angels letting the destruction on the last day loose. Before any of that, God has decreed that HIS servants be SEALED with HIS SEAL in their foreheads.


When you get to Revelation 9, you should then understand more about this specific 'sealing' of those with God's Seal...

Rev 9:3-4
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
KJV

Those locusts are allowed to sting ONLY those NOT SEALED with God's SEAL.

That means the 144,000 that are SEALED with GOD's Seal in their foreheads CANNOT be stung by those locusts.

What is that locust sting? Well, since they cannot hurt any green thing, nor kill, and later Rev.9 shows their power is in their MOUTHS, that means the 'sting' is pointing to WORDS OF DECEPTION out of their mouths. And the ONLY ones that will not be subject to that stinging are Christ's faithful elect, His faithful CHURCH.


Thus the 144,000 represent SEALED Israelites of 12,000 from each of those 12 tribes mentioned there in Revelation 7. They are SEALED with GOD's Seal in prep for the great tribulation. They are part of Christ's Church, prior to the "great tribulation", and through the "great tribulation", and all the way up to Christ's coming to gather His faithful Church on the last day of this world.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
KJV


Then at Revelation 7:9, John is shown a "great multitude" that came out of "great tribulation". That DOES NOT MEAN A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. John is shown those having gone through... the great tribulation also, like those 144,000 of the tribes of Israel. And that is why the "great multitude" is shown to John after the fact, their standing before the throne of God and Jesus AFTER He has returned, a reference to the Eternity. That means, that "great multitude" is SEALED with GOD'S SEAL also, in prep to go through the "great tribulation" and be overcomers in Christ Jesus.


Another Biblical FACT:
ONLY the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi represent the JEWS of the "house of Judah". The remaining Israelite tribes (10 of them), represent the "house of Israel". All 12 tribes of Israel were scattered by God because of their rebellion against Him. But it was to the "house of Israel" (10 tribes) that Jesus said He was specifically sent to, and they would believe The Gospel. Only a remnant of JEWS believed on Lord Jesus Christ. The largest majority of today's JEWS are still blinded away from The Gospel (Romans 11).

Therefore, those 144,000 are NOT all Jewish Israelites. The majority of them represent lost ten tribes which were scattered among the Gentiles first per 2 Kings 17. And descendants of those ten lost tribe Israelites make up a HUGE portion of Christ's Church today! Thus no man can rightly try to separate those 144,000 Israelites from Christ's Church. ONLY those Sealed with God's Seal in their foreheads represent Christ's Church in Revelation.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Titus 3:9​

“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”

 

[Davy]

Titus 3:9​

“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”

 

[The Light]

Those locusts are allowed to sting ONLY those NOT SEALED with God's SEAL.

That means the 144,000 that are SEALED with GOD's Seal in their foreheads CANNOT be stung by those locusts.

What is that locust sting? Well, since they cannot hurt any green thing, nor kill, and later Rev.9 shows their power is in their MOUTHS, that means the 'sting' is pointing to WORDS OF DECEPTION out of their mouths. And the ONLY ones that will not be subject to that stinging are Christ's faithful elect, His faithful CHURCH.

Contrary to what is taught, the 144,000 are not even earth during the wrath of God.

We can prove that by understanding that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord...........The wrath of God is over and Christ is setting His kingdom on earth.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are back in the 1st 6 seals as the wrath of God is the 7th seal. We can see that the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Here is the great tribulation which is the 5th seal

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Thus the 144,000 represent SEALED Israelites of 12,000 from each of those 12 tribes mentioned there in Revelation 7. They are SEALED with GOD's Seal in prep for the great tribulation. They are part of Christ's Church, prior to the "great tribulation", and through the "great tribulation", and all the way up to Christ's coming to gather His faithful Church on the last day of this world.

The Great Tribulation is the 5th seal. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

As the Word says, Jesus returns at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. GODS WRATH HAS YET TO BEGIN.

This tells us that Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest and then wrath begins when the 7th seal is opened. Jesus returns with armies of heaven at the end of wrath.

That shows there are two comings of Jesus according to the word. One at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation and one at the end of God's wrath. THIS PROVES WHAT YOU CLAIM IS IN ERROR.

And that doesn't even count the pretribulation rapture which you cannot see as you are unable to see the two comings of Jesus that are clearly defined.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
KJV


Then at Revelation 7:9, John is shown a "great multitude" that came out of "great tribulation". That DOES NOT MEAN A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. John is shown those having gone through... the great tribulation also, like those 144,000 of the tribes of Israel. And that is why the "great multitude" is shown to John after the fact, their standing before the throne of God and Jesus AFTER He has returned, a reference to the Eternity. That means, that "great multitude" is SEALED with GOD'S SEAL also, in prep to go through the "great tribulation" and be overcomers in Christ Jesus.

The great multitude includes the Church that are gathered from heaven, the 144,000 that are redeemed from the earth in Revelation 14 and any killed during the Great Tribulation and any believers that are alive when the days are cut short.

Another Biblical FACT:
ONLY the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi represent the JEWS of the "house of Judah". The remaining Israelite tribes (10 of them), represent the "house of Israel". All 12 tribes of Israel were scattered by God because of their rebellion against Him. But it was to the "house of Israel" (10 tribes) that Jesus said He was specifically sent to, and they would believe The Gospel. Only a remnant of JEWS believed on Lord Jesus Christ. The largest majority of today's JEWS are still blinded away from The Gospel (Romans 11).

Therefore, those 144,000 are NOT all Jewish Israelites. The majority of them represent lost ten tribes which were scattered among the Gentiles first per 2 Kings 17. And descendants of those ten lost tribe Israelites make up a HUGE portion of Christ's Church today! Thus no man can rightly try to separate those 144,000 Israelites from Christ's Church. ONLY those Sealed with God's Seal in their foreheads represent Christ's Church in Revelation.

No. The Lord knows who those of the 12 tribes are that are scattered. The majority will remain blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and are therefore NOT part of the Church. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in at the pretribulation rapture then those scattered that are alive can have their open and be part of the second harvest which we see here.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

We also see this harvest in Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

As we see, wrath begins after the harvest which is exactly what happens at the 6th seal.

 

[Davy]

Contrary to what is taught, the 144,000 are not even earth during the wrath of God.

That above is a FALSE statement.

The Rev.7:1-3 verses are specific... that the four winds are NOT to be loosed upon the earth until God's servants are SEALED with HIS SEAL.

And because Lord Jesus already showed His coming to gather His saints is AFTER... the tribulation, per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, your false statement also is a LIE against Jesus Christ's Own Words.

We can prove that by understanding that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord...........The wrath of God is over and Christ is setting His kingdom on earth.

By that you reveal you don't have a clue... as to the difference and time of God's Wrath on the 'last day' of this world, when those kingdoms change.

Per Rev.11:14-15, the SEVENTH TRUMPET - 3RD WOE period is when Christ's coming is shown there with the kingdoms of this world becoming those of The Father's and His Son. The 7th VIAL of Rev.16 with the battle of Armageddon is that SAME timing of God's WRATH on the LAST DAY of this world.

That is the FINAL DAY of this world, called the "day of the Lord". That is when Jesus comes to gather His saints, and fight the wicked hosts on earth, pouring out His WRATH upon this earth. In 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul called it a day of "sudden destruction" upon the wicked!

But what you have done is heeded your false pre-trib rapture prophets that LIE against those Scriptures, as they have you confused about that event of God's final cup of WRATH poured out on the LAST DAY of this world...

Rev 16:17-20
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV

 

[Davy]

When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are back in the 1st 6 seals as the wrath of God is the 7th seal. We can see that the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

The 7th Seal is a SELAH PERIOD, which acts as a musical rest, like the Psalms. That's why there is a period of silence mentioned there.

The 6th SEAL is the time of God's WRATH upon the wicked on the LAST DAY of this world, the "day of the Lord"...

Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

Anyone that can read English with a little common sense can understand the above time of GOD'S WRATH is on the LAST DAY of this world when Jesus comes. It's even impossible to get around that "heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places" as being any other time than the LAST DAY of this world!

And the 7th Seal wasn't even mentioned YET in the above!!! So someone is lying, and it certainly is not me!

 

[The Light]

The 7th Seal is a SELAH PERIOD, which acts as a musical rest, like the Psalms. That's why there is a period of silence mentioned there.

The 7th seal is the WRATH OF GOD. There is 30 minutes of silence as the earth says peace and safety as the tribulation is over. And then the wrath of God begins.

The 6th SEAL is the time of God's WRATH upon the wicked on the LAST DAY of this world, the "day of the Lord"...

The sixth seal is the second coming when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. It is not the second advent when Jesus puts His feet on the earth.

The day of the Lord, the day of His wrath is the 7th seal. Do you think those trumpets of wrath are a picnic?

Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Jesus returns to the clouds for the harvest at the 6th seal. It is the gathering from heaven and earth shown here.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Here is another view of this event which is immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION AND BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Note that Jesus remains in the clouds..........and there is a harvest from the earth. Those that remain on the earth are cast into the wrath of God. How can you not see this?

KJV

Anyone that can read English with a little common sense can understand the above time of GOD'S WRATH is on the LAST DAY of this world when Jesus comes.

When will you see? How many times do I have to show you that Jesus comes at the 6th seal for a harvest. Then He comes at the end of wrath (7th seal, end of trumpets) and sets up His kingdom.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Can you not understand the difference between Jesus sending His angels to gather the righteous to the clouds and the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God which is on earth which is the 7th seal?

It's even impossible to get around that "heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places" as being any other time than the LAST DAY of this world!

You don't understand what you are reading.......as usual. This is war in heaven when the stars of heaven are cast unto the earth. It is the last day of the age. The wrath of God is getting ready to BEGIN.

And the 7th Seal wasn't even mentioned YET in the above!!! So someone is lying, and it certainly is not me!

Why is it that those who have no clue what the scriptures are saying are the first ones to scream liar and other such derogatory things? You are basically clueless that Jesus comes at the 6th seal for a harvest and returns at the end of the trumpets to set up His kingdom. And we aren't even talking about the pretribulation rapture when the Lord Himself comes for the Church. You need lamp oil badly.

 

[No Pre-TB]

You are basically clueless that Jesus comes at the 6th seal for a harvest and returns at the end of the trumpets to set up His kingdom.

You made 2 more advents. He only comes back for one more advent. Only one more return. He does not leave heaven till the restoration of all things. That means he doesn’t leave heaven at the 6th seal and returns to heaven and then leaves it again at the end of the trumpets when nothing is restored at the 6th seal.

When scripture invalidates an idea, the idea is wrong. Continually using it afterwards is giving into the flesh to dictate how you think scripture should be.

 

[MatthewG]

I could be wrong,

but they were super Christians, saints, that were elected, by the foreknowledge of God, predestined.

Now today, anyone and everyone is invited, to come as they here the Spirit call, and the Bride.

Revelation 22:17

The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” Let anyone who hears this say, “Come.” Let anyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who desires drink freely from the water of life.

 

[The Light]

You made 2 more advents. He only comes back for one more advent. Only one more return. He does not leave heaven till the restoration of all things. That means he doesn’t leave heaven at the 6th seal and returns to heaven and then leaves it again at the end of the trumpets when nothing is restored at the 6th seal.

When Revelation 6 is read, we can see that the six seal is opened and there are signs of the sun, moon and stars. When Matthew 24 is read, we can see that Jesus returns and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. It is also marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In Revelation 6 we can see that the wrath of God is about to begin. In Matthew 24 we can tell that the tribulation is over. Can you not see this?. The 7th seal containing the trumpets are the wrath of God.
Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation 6, Matthew 24 and Revelation 14 shows the second coming when the Lord comes for the gathering from heaven and earth BEFORE WRATH. It is a HARVEST. The Lord remains in the clouds and sends His angels

Revelation 11, Revelation 16 and Revelation 19 show when Jesus returns toward the end of wrath for Armageddon and then to set up His kingdom. This is the second advent when Jesus returns to the earth.

When scripture invalidates an idea, the idea is wrong. Continually using it afterwards is giving into the flesh to dictate how you think scripture should be.

All these years and you still haven't figured out that Jesus comes for a harvest before wrath at the 6th seal and then returns at the end of wrath and sets up His kingdom. And that doesn't even count not understanding when He comes for the Church before the seals are opened. The Lord is at the door. WATCH as instructed.

 

[Keraz]

The 6th SEAL is the time of God's WRATH upon the wicked on the LAST DAY of this world, the "day of the Lord"..

In Revelation 6 we can see that the wrath of God is about to begin. In Matthew 24 we can tell that the tribulation is over. Can you not see this?. The 7th seal containing the trumpets are the wrath of God.

Hopeless confusion!
The Sixth Seal will be the world changer that will commence all the end time events.

The Last Day of this world does not come until the Millennium is over. Revelation 21:1-7
The Sixth Seal cannot be conflated with Matthew 24:30-31. Two different events, years apart. The Seventh Seat simply denotes a time gap, the 7 Trumpets do not commence until the 'beast' desecrates the Temple.
And there is nowhere that the Bible says people will be taken to heaven.

 

[The Light]

The Sixth Seal cannot be conflated with Matthew 24:30-31. Two different events, years apart.

How can you possibly make this statement. There is a time stamp at the sixth seal and Matthew 24. Both events are marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

By this time stamp we can tell that Jesus returns to the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect............IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION.........AND BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD.

Why is there so much blindness when there is a TIME STAMP marking the events as being the same?



Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

[David in NJ]

When Revelation 6 is read, we can see that the six seal is opened and there are signs of the sun, moon and stars. When Matthew 24 is read, we can see that Jesus returns and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. It is also marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In Revelation 6 we can see that the wrath of God is about to begin. In Matthew 24 we can tell that the tribulation is over. Can you not see this?. The 7th seal containing the trumpets are the wrath of God.
Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation 6, Matthew 24 and Revelation 14 shows the second coming when the Lord comes for the gathering from heaven and earth BEFORE WRATH. It is a HARVEST. The Lord remains in the clouds and sends His angels

Revelation 11, Revelation 16 and Revelation 19 show when Jesus returns toward the end of wrath for Armageddon and then to set up His kingdom. This is the second advent when Jesus returns to the earth.



All these years and you still haven't figured out that Jesus comes for a harvest before wrath at the 6th seal and then returns at the end of wrath and sets up His kingdom. And that doesn't even count not understanding when He comes for the Church before the seals are opened. The Lord is at the door. WATCH as instructed.

Absolutely in the 6th Seal we see the LORD Jesus Christ Second Coming.

Revelation repeats itself as there are 7 dialogues of the LORD's Second Coming in Revelation.

 

[The Light]

Absolutely in the 6th Seal we see the LORD Jesus Christ Second Coming.

Revelation repeats itself as there are 7 dialogues of the LORD's Second Coming in Revelation.

At the 6th seal, which is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, and the harvest of Revelation 14, Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

This happens immediately after the tribulation and before the wrath of God which is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Then the 7th seal opened and wrath begins when the 1st trumpet is blown. Jesus returns at the end of the trumpets for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom.

The coming of Jesus at the 6th seal is not the coming of Jesus at the end of wrath. These are two completely separate events. You think the Lord comes one time but we can see by the Word of God, that is not the case.

And of course, additionally there is the pretrib rapture which is soon to happen.

 

[Keraz]

There is a time stamp at the sixth seal and Matthew 24. Both events are marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

At the Sixth Seal, the stars, [our satellites] fall, the sun is darkened and the moon shines blood red.
At the glorious Return; the sun is darkened, the 'stars' [meteorites] fall, and the moon will not give her light.
2 separate events, occurring years apart.

Absolutely in the 6th Seal we see the LORD Jesus Christ Second Coming.

The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, when people will dive for cover, is not and cannot be the same event as the glorious Return of Jesus, when every eye will see Him.
When do you think Amos 5:18-20 will happen? At the SS, or the Return?

And of course, additionally there is the pretrib rapture which is soon to happen.

I hope your bunny hopping practise is improving. That is your only chance getting the altitude required for heaven.

 

[Davy]

The 7th seal is the WRATH OF GOD. There is 30 minutes of silence as the earth says peace and safety as the tribulation is over. And then the wrath of God begins.

6th Seal says His wrath "is come" (Rev.6:17). That event of every mountain and island moved out of their place is the same... timing as God's Wrath on the LAST DAY of this world.

7th Vial:
Rev 16:20
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV

6th Seal:
Rev 6:14
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
KJV

That is the time of the "sudden destruction" Apostle Paul taught for the "day of the Lord". That is the time that God's consuming fire will burn man's works off this earth on the "day of the Lord", per Apostle Peter. That "day of the Lord" is the LAST DAY of this present world.

One can use the idea of 777 to signal all the final events to happen on the last day of this world, which include Christ's coming and gathering of His saints, on His way to Jerusalem to the Mount of Olives, and ending this world with God's consuming fire and a sudden destruction.

Many forget that the 'idea' of the 'seals' is about a sealing of the SIGNS of the very end leading up to Christ's return. And only Jesus can open those seals to one's understanding. So they are about 'info'. And the Signs of Rev.6 parallel the 7 SIGNS Jesus gave previously in His Olivet discourse. The Antichrist comes on 666, Jesus comes on 777. The 1st part of the 6th Seal with verses 12-13 is about the coming of Satan and his host for the time of "great tribulation". The 2nd part of the 6th Seal is about the day of Jesus' coming after that tribulation.


An error which the pre-trib rapture theory does with Revelation is trying to treat all the Seals as separate timed events, and then all the Trumpets as separate time events, and then all the Vials as separate timed events. No, the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happen in parallel. This is why events of Christ's coming and His Wrath upon the wicked is shown in all three sets of Signs.

 

[David in NJ]

Davy says: "An error which the pre-trib rapture theory does with Revelation is trying to treat all the Seals as separate timed events, and then all the Trumpets as separate time events, and then all the Vials as separate timed events. No, the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happen in parallel. This is why events of Christ's coming and His Wrath upon the wicked is shown in all three sets of Signs."

Pay attention here @marks @The Light @rebuilder 454

Revelation is written in code which comprises literal, symbolic and parabolic

 

[Davy]

Hopeless confusion!
The Sixth Seal will be the world changer that will commence all the end time events.

The Last Day of this world does not come until the Millennium is over. Revelation 21:1-7
The Sixth Seal cannot be conflated with Matthew 24:30-31. Two different events, years apart. The Seventh Seat simply denotes a time gap, the 7 Trumpets do not commence until the 'beast' desecrates the Temple.
And there is nowhere that the Bible says people will be taken to heaven.

Nah... the mountains and islands being moved only happens on the very LAST DAY of this world when Jesus returns to gather His Church, after... the tribulation.

Amazing how some key on numerology instead of reading the actual EVENTS that are to happen with the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial:


6th Seal:
Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

The only time when those kings of the earth and mighty men 'see' Lord Jesus, and wish for the mountains and hills to fall upon them, or even seeing The Father sitting on His Throne in Heaven, is when the veil of this flesh world is removed on the LAST DAY, and everyone sees Christ coming in the clouds, even those who pierced Him (Rev.1). That is the same day of His Wrath upon the earth that will destroy this present world time. So it wouldn't matter if this was written on an 11th Seal (which doesn't exist); it's still about events that are to happen on the very LAST DAY of this present world.


7th Trumpet:
Rev 11:15-19
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."

That above is declaring Jesus taking reign over all nations and peoples upon the earth. It even declares the beginning of eternal reign by Christ Jesus. By that we 'know' Satan's beast kingdom is defeated, and shall never be anymore, nor any evil kingdom on earth again. So can't miss that this will only start on the very LAST DAY of this present world, ending the great tribulation.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.

That above is even declaring The Father and The Son has taken reign over all the earth and peoples.

Rev.11:18 And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The rewards to God's prophets and the saints have coming to them only happens on the day of Christ's future return. The time of the dead is about the day of the future resurrection and judgment of the dead to either the "resurrection of life" or to the "resurrection of damnation" (John 5:28-29).

Rev.11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
KJV

That "great hail" is about the event of God's "sudden destruction" on that LAST DAY of this world. It parallels the hail storm declared also on the 7th Vial, shown next. It also parallels the hailstorm of Ezekiel 38:21-23 upon the great army that comes up out of the northern quarters on the LAST DAY of this world.


7th Vial:
Rev 16:17-21
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV

There's the mountains and islands being moved out of their places again, which the 6th Seal mentioned. There also is the cup of God's Wrath being poured out on that 7th Vial; and the hailstorm mentioned with the 7th Trumpet.


Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to get those events mixed up with the time those Scriptures reveal. They all happen on the SAME LAST DAY of this world, which God's Word calls the "day of the Lord".

 

[The Light]

An error which the pre-trib rapture theory does with Revelation is trying to treat all the Seals as separate timed events, and then all the Trumpets as separate time events, and then all the Vials as separate timed events. No, the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happen in parallel. This is why events of Christ's coming and His Wrath upon the wicked is shown in all three sets of Signs.

The trumpets and vials are certainly parallel, but the seals are not parallel.

The seals go in order. The 1st four seals are the being of sorrows in Matthew 24. The fifth seal is the great tribulation. The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for the second harvest BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD.

You always say 777 but it's NOT 777. That doesn't work. It's 6 seals and Jesus returns for the harvest. Then the wrath of God begins as the 7th seal is opened. The tumpets of wrath occur as Jesus returns for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom, which we see in Rev 11
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So Jesus returns at the 6th seal and sends His angels for a harvest and remains in the clouds.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

And Jesus returns at the end of the trumpets. Two seperate comings which we can prove by the signs in the sun, moon and stars.

 

[The Light]

Davy says: "An error which the pre-trib rapture theory does with Revelation is trying to treat all the Seals as separate timed events, and then all the Trumpets as separate time events, and then all the Vials as separate timed events. No, the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happen in parallel. This is why events of Christ's coming and His Wrath upon the wicked is shown in all three sets of Signs."

Pay attention here @marks @The Light @rebuilder 454

Revelation is written in code which comprises literal, symbolic and parabolic

Great. No problem here. It's when you take the written Word of God and dream up the answer that you want to hear instead of JUST ACCEPTING WHAT IS WRITTEN, that there's a problem.