Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

[epostle1]

If you applied that rule to scripture, you would lose 80% of prophecy that warns the world of that apostate system. And it is the Christian's duty to expose her lies and wicked practices and warn that the future will be no less violent in her hands when the Pope is granted global authority.

You pump out one lie after another, I can't keep up.
"when the Pope is granted global authority" is a joke. Such authority for the Pope is impossible.

 

[epostle1]

I am not holding up any individual group as paragons of theological excellence. That includes the RCC. Our discussion isn't about doctrine or rights and wrongs of various Christian groups over the centuries. The question is why is it that Rome, considering the fact that one of the foundation planks for justifying her existence is that the gates of hell shall not prevail against her, find it so necessary to her survival that she pursue such a determined course to use whatever means available including sanctimonious bulls, crusades, inquisitions, persecutions, and wars, to defend herself? If she was right and correct in her faith and practice, why could she not just God to defend her?

Why do you find it necessary to re-write history and ecclesiology to make it fit your opinions?

It is all well and good to speak of all the incorrect ways that the Albigenses and Paulicians etc were interpreting and practicing their faith, but why demand with force of arms and persecution to submit to orthodoxy?

It wasn't that simple. You offer no context. Heresies back then were a threat to society. You refuse to look at the whole picture.

To defend that by claiming that the human race was at risk is ridiculous.

Not for the Cathari

The fact that the church waged constant war against the Waldenses for 600 years is bad enough, but there is worse than that. My biggest concern is not even in the fact that you, and others like you, actually defend it today. No, what I am really concerned about is that fact that the church officially still has in her canons and creeds statements that to her, justify that manner of dealing with those who she disagrees with.

You refuse to see the image posted. The Pope's apology isn't enough, you want to burn him at the stake. The Church is always in a state of renewal and repentance, something your hate cult is incapable of. And how much of this oppression is by the governments? But you want to hold the Church fully accountable because it fits your agenda.

That tells me that in the future if given the liberty to do so, she will once again use that power to persecute and destroy those who refuse to submit to her dogmas and traditions.

Yea, like all the widows and orphans we look after will overthrow the dominating dictatorship. You really need to have a talk with your doctor.

Religious liberty is great for Catholics when she doesn't have the political ascendency...but history reveals that when she does have civil power and influence, religious liberty for anyone else becomes an endangered species.

Mere opinion.

BTW, the Waldenses were Biblically sound. Too Biblically sound for Rome. Too Catholic? No, they were the connecting faith to the apostolic age, along with the Assyrian church of the east.

They were anything but Protestant. Who Were the Waldenses?

Their main problem as far as Rome was concerned is that they translated the Bible into the vernacular. As did Wycliffe, Lucian, Columba and of course Luther and others. They were heroes. And martyrs.

The Bible was translated in over 600 editions in numerous languages before the first Protestant Bible saw the light of day. Translating the Bible was not an issue for the Waldenses. Don't you do any critical research?. Your paranoia about papal power is downright silly. It's 2017, not 717, and the very existence of the papacy has been threatened by political powers numerous times. You are too blind to the facts; I'm sure we can thank Dave Hunt and Mary Baker Eddie for confusing you with that lunacy.
There is no justifying your hate and paranoia.
Adolph Hitler must be a great hero for you, since he plotted to kill the pope and killed 3,000,000 Polish Catholics.
Does he count as one of your martyrs?

 

[pia]

Is this the best that we can do??

Seems to be the case, doesn't it ? ...." If any man says he is in the Light and hates his brother, he deceives himself, and he knows not where he is going."........Seems to me that the foundation of Jesus, the root of Love was never really allowed to prosper in ANY religious institution, as if it should, the 'leaders' would no longer be needed, because believers would have followed after Love and after the Holy Spirit.....As we know, this didn't happen....We must not follow after men in any form, but somehow we do find this opposite to our normal way of living and takes time to adjust to..

 

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as it is hard as we need to really try or really do the best to make it right with our enemy or those we have offended or been offended. Either way someone has to act up. And if we forgive this person and believe me, I learned my lesson the beyond very hard way. Then God will forgive us through Jesus. Jesus indeed is the root of love, mercy, grace, and forgiveness.

 

[Helen]

Seems to be the case, doesn't it ? ...." If any man says he is in the Light and hates his brother, he deceives himself, and he knows not where he is going."........Seems to me that the foundation of Jesus, the root of Love was never really allowed to prosper in ANY religious institution, as if it should, the 'leaders' would no longer be needed, because believers would have followed after Love and after the Holy Spirit.....As we know, this didn't happen....We must not follow after men in any form, but somehow we do find this opposite to our normal way of living and takes time to adjust to..

The verse that comes to me is..'we swallow a camel and strain on a gnat..'
...Spending energy and time on things that don't matter and not "looking to the Lord for the good, edifying things and in the word..
Phil 4-8 " whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

 

[pia]

The verse that comes to me is..'we swallow a camel and strain on a gnat.

Thanks for the giggle, so glad this time I didn't have coffee in my mouth .....Soooo true this..

 

[brakelite]

Not at all.
However, it NEVER states word about a resurrection.

In Rev. 11:19-12:1, we see Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant in Heaven. She is the ONLY person in Revelation to have a FULL Body from head to toe.

This is an example of what Peter warned about...privately interpreting prophecy. BOL, the Bible interprets itself.
First, the book of Hebrews tells us that the sanctuary of the OT was a copy of that which is in heaven.(Hebrews 8:5) The ark which John saw in heaven was the original ark of the covenant of which the one made by man was but a faint copy. It is the very throne of God which was built upon the laws of God, representing His government and authority. The mercy seat covered the law thus offering all who come to Christ in faith will find mercy and grace for sin.
Second, Women in prophecy represent the church or Israel. In the OT Israel was often represented as a wayward harlot because she was being unfaithful to her true Husband. (See the book of Hosea among other references throughout the prophets). A faithful woman therefore represented the true church, God's people. Examples of this metaphor is often given in the NT with reference to a bride espoused to her Husband, Christ. The woman in Revelation 12:1 is representative of God's people. Just as the woman was chased into the wilderness for 1260 prophetic days, so also was the church chased into the wilderness for 1260 years in the face of the papal persecuting power, from 538 to 1798. Neither have diddly squat to do with Mary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is an example of what Peter warned about...privately interpreting prophecy. BOL, the Bible interprets itself.
First, the book of Hebrews tells us that the sanctuary of the OT was a copy of that which is in heaven.(Hebrews 8:5) The ark which John saw in heaven was the original ark of the covenant of which the one made by man was but a faint copy. It is the very throne of God which was built upon the laws of God, representing His government and authority. The mercy seat covered the law thus offering all who come to Christ in faith will find mercy and grace for sin.
Second, Women in prophecy represent the church or Israel. In the OT Israel was often represented as a wayward harlot because she was being unfaithful to her true Husband. (See the book of Hosea among other references throughout the prophets). A faithful woman therefore represented the true church, God's people. Examples of this metaphor is often given in the NT with reference to a bride espoused to her Husband, Christ. The woman in Revelation 12:1 is representative of God's people. Just as the woman was chased into the wilderness for 1260 prophetic days, so also was the church chased into the wilderness for 1260 years in the face of the papal persecuting power, from 538 to 1798. Neither have diddly squat to do with Mary.

Sorry - but you have missed the point of Rev. 12:1.

The Woman in Rev. 12:1 is the description of the ARK in the previous verse (Rev.11:19).
Not sure if you know this but prior to the Middle Ages when the Catholic Church added chapter and verse to Scripture - each Book was simply a long letter. In Rev. 11:19, we see the Ark and in the very next verse, it is described as a Woman.

It's interesting to note that John wrote the Book of Revelation because in his Gospel, Jesus never refers to Mary as "Mother" - but as "Woman". This is not out of disrespect or indifference - but of respect.

She is the "Woman" prophesied in Gen. 3:15 . . .
And I will put enmity
between you and the WOMAN,
and between your offspring your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

When Jesus is being crucified and is crushing the head of the serpent - what does he call His Mother??
He calls her "Woman". We see this Woman again in Rev. 12:1 because she is that Ark of the NEW Covenant, Jesus.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is an example of what Peter warned about...privately interpreting prophecy. BOL, the Bible interprets itself.

The false doctrine of Perspecuity of Scripture - that it interprets itself is the reason we have tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects - ALL teaching different doctrines based on different ideas of what that "self-interpretation" is.

 

[epostle1]

This is an example of what Peter warned about...privately interpreting prophecy. BOL, the Bible interprets itself.

That is an obvious contradiction; the Bible interpreting itself at all times is a reformist invention.

First, the book of Hebrews tells us that the sanctuary of the OT was a copy of that which is in heaven.(Hebrews 8:5)The ark which John saw in heaven was the original ark of the covenant of which the one made by man was but a faint copy. It is the very throne of God which was built upon the laws of God, representing His government and authority. The mercy seat covered the law thus offering all who come to Christ in faith will find mercy and grace for sin.
Second, Women in prophecy represent the church or Israel. In the OT Israel was often represented as a wayward harlot because she was being unfaithful to her true Husband. (See the book of Hosea among other references throughout the prophets). A faithful woman therefore represented the true church, God's people. Examples of this metaphor is often given in the NT with reference to a bride espoused to her Husband, Christ. The woman in Revelation 12:1 is representative of God's people. Just as the woman was chased into the wilderness for 1260 prophetic days, so also was the church chased into the wilderness for 1260 years in the face of the papal persecuting power, from 538 to 1798. Neither have diddly squat to do with Mary.

in the face of the papal persecuting power, from 538 to 1798.
After 1798, this alleged papal persecuting power came to an end and there was peace on earth. What "prophet" told you that malarkey?

 

[brakelite]

in the face of the papal persecuting power, from 538 to 1798.
After 1798, this alleged papal persecuting power came to an end and there was peace on earth. What "prophet" told you that malarkey?

1798 saw the end , temporarily (until 1929) to the Papal union of church and state when the pope at the time was taken prisoner by the French revolutionary force under General Berthier. The pope died in exile. No longer did the Roman church have the civil sword to execute her enemies. Today, that civil union has been re-established through the Lateran Treaty and the creation of the city state Vatican. I said nothing about "peace on earth". Your straw man is on fire.
Rome has long boasted of the state being her 'sword'. In 1798 that sword was removed. But for those true Protestants that are left and have their eyes open, the present resurgence of the Papal power and influence in world politics as the current and previous 2 popes in particular gave their energies to, and as prophecy stridently declares, she shall regain her lost power to persecute, and will once again enforce her dogmas and doctrines only on a global scale. "All the world" is now 'wondering' after the Antichrist. She has received her mortal wound...it is in the process of healing...and soon the only scars will be on the books of history, so long as Rome doesn't have them revised.
Once again the whore shall take her place upon the state beast.

 

[brakelite]

That is an obvious contradiction; the Bible interpreting itself at all times is a reformist invention.

It is a infinitely more reliable than the Magisterium or Curia. Or you. Or me.

 

[brakelite]

In Rev. 11:19, we see the Ark and in the very next verse, it is described as a Woman.

Revelation 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 12:1
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Only in your biased imagination could you present 12:1 as being an explanation of the meaning of the ark in 11:19. I would far rather trust the Bible itself to explicitly declare what the ark is, and we find that in Hebrews 8.

Hebrews 8:1-5
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

As I explained, and as every good Bible student would agree, the ark of the testament or covenant that resided in the Most Holy Place in the sanctuary or temple, represented the throne of God. Thus the lid was called the 'mercy seat'. As the passage above says, everything in the OT sanctuary had a literal heavenly counterpart.
The altar of sacrifice .....Calvary.
Laver....baptism
Showbread....Bread of Life...Jesus Himself
Candlestick...Holy Spirit...Jesus, Light of the world.
Altar of incense...prayer and intercession...Jesus, Mediator.
Veil upon which were sewn angels...ministry of angels between God and man.
Ark of the Covenant...throne of God inside the Most Holy Place...containing the tablets of the law, Aaron's rod that budded and a pot of manna.
The ark of the covenant was the most important piece of furniture in the Israelite tabernacle/Temple. It was a wooden box, plated with gold, about four feet two inches long and 30" x 30". It originally contained only the tablets of the Ten Commandments. The box was covered by a slab of gold on which two cherubim were carved as one piece with the cover. The ark was a symbol of the presence and power of the Lord. Since it represented the presence of the Lord, the ark came to express several important ideas about the Lord.

1. Place of Revelation: God’s residence among the Israelites was a place from which He communicated with and manifested Himself to His people. He said to Moses, “Above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites” (Ex. 25:22, NIV; cf. Num. 7:89).* In one case the Israelites went to where the ark was located to consult the Lord before going to war, and He answered them (Judges 20:27). It is amazing that our God would make Himself available to His people at a particular space—in this case the tabernacle, and within it the space between the two cherubim on the ark of the covenant.

2. Place of Worship: Since the ark, located in the Most Holy Place of the Temple, was a symbol of the Lord, people worshipped Him in the direction of the tabernacle/Temple: “I lift up my hands toward your Most Holy Place” (Ps. 28:2; cf. 138:2). Joshua fell and prayed before the ark, and the Lord answered him (Joshua 7:6-11). The Israelites did not worship the ark, but they sought the Lord there as the place where He would meet with them, and where they could offer Him their prayers and praises.

3. Place of the King: The Lord was the king of His people, and the ark represented Him as such. The psalmist refers to God as the “Shepherd [King] of Israel” who sits “enthroned between the cherubim” (Ps. 80:1). Hezekiah used the same expression and added, “You alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth” (2 Kings 19:15; cf. 2 Sam. 6:2). This does not mean that the ark was the throne of God, but that it represented Him as king of the earth. As king, the Lord led His people from the ark in military campaigns. When they moved as an army, the ark/Lord led the way (Num. 10:33, 35); when they walked into the Jordan River carrying the ark, the river stopped flowing (Joshua 3:13); and in Jericho the presence of the Lord, represented by the ark, led the people to victory (Joshua 6).

The ark was a symbol, not the Lord Himself. The presence of the ark in war did not necessarily mean that the Lord was present among His people. His presence was directly connected to covenant faithfulness. When the covenant was violated, the presence of the ark was useless, and God’s people were defeated (1 Sam. 4:1-11).

4. Place of Judgment and Mercy: The ark is often called the “ark of the testimony” because the covenant law—the Ten Commandments—was placed inside it as a testimony to the covenant relationship between God and Israel. The law was the rule of life; its violation was a serious matter that had to be addressed by the Covenant Lord. The sacrificial system dealt in different ways with the sin of the people and their need for atonement. But the law inside the ark was covered with the mercy seat, or “atonement cover” (Ex. 25:17), the place of atonement—suggesting that God’s last word for us is mercy in the form of atonement through blood.

The New Testament would identify this blood with the blood of the Son of God. He now intercedes for us before the ark of the Lord in the heavenly temple, in the presence of the King of the universe, leading His people in the final conflict, mediating our worship, and assuring us forgiveness and acquittal.

Nowhere does the scripture suggest that the ark of the covenant would bring forth the Messiah as you are suggesting. That is merely a Catholic interpolation to justify their Mariology.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Revelation 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 12:1
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Only in your biased imagination could you present 12:1 as being an explanation of the meaning of the ark in 11:19. I would far rather trust the Bible itself to explicitly declare what the ark is, and we find that in Hebrews 8.

Hebrews 8:1-5
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

As I explained, and as every good Bible student would agree, the ark of the testament or covenant that resided in the Most Holy Place in the sanctuary or temple, represented the throne of God. Thus the lid was called the 'mercy seat'. As the passage above says, everything in the OT sanctuary had a literal heavenly counterpart.
The altar of sacrifice .....Calvary.
Laver....baptism
Showbread....Bread of Life...Jesus Himself
Candlestick...Holy Spirit...Jesus, Light of the world.
Altar of incense...prayer and intercession...Jesus, Mediator.
Veil upon which were sewn angels...ministry of angels between God and man.
Ark of the Covenant...throne of God inside the Most Holy Place...containing the tablets of the law, Aaron's rod that budded and a pot of manna.
The ark of the covenant was the most important piece of furniture in the Israelite tabernacle/Temple. It was a wooden box, plated with gold, about four feet two inches long and 30" x 30". It originally contained only the tablets of the Ten Commandments. The box was covered by a slab of gold on which two cherubim were carved as one piece with the cover. The ark was a symbol of the presence and power of the Lord. Since it represented the presence of the Lord, the ark came to express several important ideas about the Lord.

The ark was a symbol, not the Lord Himself. The presence of the ark in war did not necessarily mean that the Lord was present among His people. His presence was directly connected to covenant faithfulness. When the covenant was violated, the presence of the ark was useless, and God’s people were defeated (1 Sam. 4:1-11).

The New Testament would identify this blood with the blood of the Son of God. He now intercedes for us before the ark of the Lord in the heavenly temple, in the presence of the King of the universe, leading His people in the final conflict, mediating our worship, and assuring us forgiveness and acquittal.

Nowhere does the scripture suggest that the ark of the covenant would bring forth the Messiah as you are suggesting. That is merely a Catholic interpolation to justify their Mariology.

And this goes back to the fallacy that ONLY Protestant theologians of the last two or three hundred years are qualified to interpret Scripture - damning 1800 years of Christianity to Hell.

Mary IS the Ark of the NEW Covenant. She is the fulfillment of the OT type that was the wooden box, laden with gold and purified. Here are some Scriptural comparisons:

- "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
- “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Luke 1:43)
This is an almost VERBATIM comparison.

- When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
- When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2 38)

- The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
- Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

- The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
- Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Mat 2:14)

- The Tabernacle that housed the Ark was overshadowed by the cloud of glory of the Lord (Shekinah glory) filled the Tabernacle (2 Chron. 5:13-14).
- Mary was overshadowed by the power of the Most High (Luke 1:35).

I can't argue with Scripture . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

And this goes back to the fallacy that ONLY Protestant theologians of the last two or three hundred years are qualified to interpret Scripture - damning 1800 years of Christianity to Hell.

Mary IS the Ark of the NEW Covenant. She is the fulfillment of the OT type that was the wooden box, laden with gold and purified. Here are some Scriptural comparisons:

- "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
- “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Luke 1:43)
This is an almost VERBATIM comparison.

- When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
- When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2 38)

- The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
- Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

- The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
- Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Mat 2:14)

- The Tabernacle that housed the Ark was overshadowed by the cloud of glory of the Lord (Shekinah glory) filled the Tabernacle (2 Chron. 5:13-14).
- Mary was overshadowed by the power of the Most High (Luke 1:35).

I can't argue with Scripture . . .

of course not, you just ignore those parts lol.

This is interesting nonetheless though, even if Mary Veneration is taken way too far, ty

 

[epostle1]

If one understands the meaning of "veneration", it's impossible to "take it too far", unless one is a reformist Protestant.

 

[brakelite]

- "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
- “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Luke 1:43)
This is an almost VERBATIM comparison.

Not quite...perhaps in Catholic translated Bibles. What David said, and I paraphrase, (brakelite's translation if you like) How can the ark possibly come to me when everyone is cursed by its presence? He said this after Uzzah had put his hand forth to steady the ark when it threatened to fall, and he died. 2 Samuel 6:9...The part you left out...and David was afraid of the Lord that day, and said, "how shall the ark of the Lord come to me?"
Context is everything. Elisabeth was not afraid, and her exclamation was, in fact, her prophesying as a result of the baby leaping in her womb, not in recognition of Mary, but in recognition of He Who was within her.

But I do find those comparisons interesting if nothing more than further insight into the Catholic mind. But not sufficient to create a whole dogma that demands belief in her resurrection and crowned queen of heaven. I will reiterate what I said earlier. John saw the door opened into the heavenly sanctuary where we know Jesus mediates as our High Priest. There, in the sanctuary, the very throne room of God, John saw the ark of His testament. What is God's testament? What is it that the ark carried? What is it that is so sacred that it be overlaid with gold and never to be touched except by those especially sanctified to do so? What is it that forms the foundation of God's throne and His government? What is it that required the guardianship of two cherubim, one of whom was Lucifer who was expelled from heaven because he abandoned his post? See Exodus 25:21; Numbers 1:50,53; and Revelation 15:5.
I will not deny that Mary was a woman worthy of respect. She raised our Lord and taught Him the ways of God from His earliest years, and credit must go to her for that. She was a woman of faith, accepting her role without a doubt and without complaint. But she was also a sinner such as we are. She needed a Saviour just as we do. (Luke 1:47) Jesus did not go through life without sin because His mother was "immaculate", or sinless. Jesus remained sinless by choice...not because of His birth. And it is by His divine power abiding in us that we also may overcome sin...by choice. By faith. Not by the sacraments of the church...not through good works...not through the merits of others who are 'more exalted or holy' than ourselves...but through faith in the grace and mercy of a loving Saviour who intercedes for us next to the throne of the Almighty God whose throne is built on law and love.
Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[Dcopymope]

"Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic"

Well, they all drink out of the same damn communion cup for one. Its gosh damn unsanitary for Christ sake. This is of course not the only reason, but I really don't care to list the rest, as I'm sure the rest have already been listed sixteen times over.

 

[aspen]

Well, they all drink out of the same damn communion cup for one. Its gosh damn unsanitary for Christ sake. This is of course not the only reason, but I really don't care to list the rest, as I'm sure the rest have already been listed sixteen times over.

Yes....antisocial people do have difficulting with the communial part of Christianity.....its all that radical individualism sanctifying them for another location, I suppose

 

[Dcopymope]

Yes....antisocial people do have difficulting with the communial part of Christianity.....its all that radical individualism sanctifying them for another location, I suppose

.........one has to be mighty triggered to call someone who prefers to not risk catching someone elses germs an "anti social radical individualist". Just when you think you've heard it all hey.