Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

[David in NJ]

I'm not asking when you were born David.
I am asking, where do you place the door closing within Revelation? Specifically, Chapter and verse. Where do you place the door closing in your timeline ie. Before the seals, before the trumpets, before the bowls...somewhere else? Provide a breakdown of how you see it unfold the way you think is correct with scriptural support.

Matt 25:1-13 in this 'parable' the LORD shuts the Door.

Where else do you remember a Door being shut in OT scripture?

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”

 

[Webers_Home]

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The so-called rapture terminates the church age with an impossible-to
ignore wake-up call. Assuming it's true; I've no doubt the world over will be
awestruck and very badly shaken by the number of dead folks coming back
to life seemingly out of thin air. We're talking about nigh unto 2,000 years of
Christians from every era since the days of Christ. That's a significant
number.

● 1Thess 4:16a . . For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of
God

The only archangel named in the New Testament is Michael (Jude 9)
However, according to Daniel 10:13 there's more than one archangel so I
think it would be a mistake to insist the archangel's voice in 1Thess 4:16 is
Michael's.

The trumpet call of God is possibly relative to Rev 1:10-18. (cf. 1Cor 15:52)

● 1Thess 4:16b . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

* That incident is sometimes omitted from dramatized versions of the event.

"in Christ" is limited to folks who've undergone the Spirit's supernatural
initiation rite per 1Cor 12:13 and Eph 1:13.

● 1Thess 4:17 . . .Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

That scene would be easier to picture were the Earth flat, but it's a huge
sphere. So when those folks are taken up into the sky, I suspect they will
form a sort of human Oort Cloud all 'round the world at first.

Their exact rendezvous location with the Lord is a bit of a mystery. It's been
suggested they'll actually pass up thru the clouds and their assembly with
the Lord "in the air" will take place above them.

FAQ: What if there are no clouds in some areas?

REPLY: I think we can expect adequate high altitude weather conditions for
that one special day; it is after all a miraculous event.

* Folks left behind will very likely find themselves in immediate danger as
wide spread chaos, confusion, fear, and calamity are happy hunting grounds
for insurrection, looters, vandalism, hoarders, financial panic, and violent
riots.
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[David in NJ]

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The so-called rapture terminates the church age with an impossible-to
ignore wake-up call. Assuming it's true; I've no doubt the world over will be
awestruck and very badly shaken by the number of dead folks coming back
to life seemingly out of thin air. We're talking about nigh unto 2,000 years of
Christians from every era since the days of Christ. That's a significant
number.

● 1Thess 4:16a . . For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of
God

The only archangel named in the New Testament is Michael (Jude 9)
However, according to Daniel 10:13 there's more than one archangel so I
think it would be a mistake to insist the archangel's voice in 1Thess 4:16 is
Michael's.

The trumpet call of God is possibly relative to Rev 1:10-18. (cf. 1Cor 15:52)

● 1Thess 4:16b . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

* That incident is sometimes omitted from dramatized versions of the event.

"in Christ" is limited to folks who've undergone the Spirit's supernatural
initiation rite per 1Cor 12:13 and Eph 1:13.

● 1Thess 4:17 . . .Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

That scene would be easier to picture were the Earth flat, but it's a huge
sphere. So when those folks are taken up into the sky, I suspect they will
form a sort of human Oort Cloud all 'round the world at first.

Their exact rendezvous location with the Lord is a bit of a mystery. It's been
suggested they'll actually pass up thru the clouds and their assembly with
the Lord "in the air" will take place above them.

FAQ: What if there are no clouds in some areas?

REPLY: I think we can expect adequate high altitude weather conditions for
that one special day; it is after all a miraculous event.

* Folks left behind will very likely find themselves in immediate danger as
wide spread chaos, confusion, fear, and calamity are happy hunting grounds
for insurrection, looters, vandalism, hoarders, financial panic, and violent
riots.
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It is impossible for Rev 1:10 "a voice like a trumpet" to be the "last trumpet" of 1 Cor 15:51-52

 

[Webers_Home]

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It is impossible for Rev 1:10 "a voice like a trumpet" to be the "last trumpet" of
1 Cor 15:51-52

It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
(Mark Twain)
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[David in NJ]

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It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
(Mark Twain)
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Here, i made it more clear for you.

It is impossible for Rev 1:10 to be the "last trumpet" according to 1 Cor ch15 and 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Matt ch24 and Daniel ch7 and Daniel ch12 and 1 John ch2 and 2 Thess ch2 and OT Prophets and FINALLY according to Revelation.

What a person "knows" of Truth has historically caused "trouble" and wrath from religious people = just ask JESUS and the Apostles.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Faith is believin' what you know ain't so.
(Mark Twain)
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[David in NJ]

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Faith is believin' what you know ain't so.
(Mark Twain)
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"Mark Twain vowed to reform and become a devout Christian in order to marry Olivia Langdon, but his “reform” ended after a year or so.
In many of his works, he satirically exposes religious hypocrisy, and in his later unpublished writing, most notably Letters from the Earth (not published until 1962), he expresses doubt and scorn for conventional Christianity."

Now let's move forward in Holy Scripture and SEE - Hebrews 1:1

"Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see."

 

[Webers_Home]

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Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he
believes; and wishes he was certain.
(Mark Twain)
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[doctrox]

Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.

For example, if your friends fly in from another country to visit you, you might travel to your local airport to meet them when their plane lands and then escort them back to your place. If they’re VIP friends, you might have a delegation meet them at your country's main airport, and then escort them back to your place. In either case, you don’t go to your airport, meet your friends, get on your friend’s plane, and then travel back with your friends to their place of origin!

So, do we have a scriptural witness to this scenario? Yes.

...we came the next day to Puteoli: Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome. And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome... -- Acts 28:13-16

The brothers in Rome got word of their impending visitors, and so went out to meet them at Appii forum, and then escorted them back to Rome.

meet = same word in both Acts 28 and 1 Thes. 4.

Here are all four usages of the word meet:

Mat. 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat. 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Acts 28:15 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.

1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“

 

[Gottservant]

Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.

[...]

All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“

Yes, but when you return, the difference is that you return to "high ground".

No one invites their friend to the worst place they could think of, but the best - in one sense, that is home, but more to the point it is making home somewhere great (not just where it was)

 

[Webers_Home]

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● 1Thess 4:17 . .Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air:

I have a problem with heights.
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[Timtofly]

.
The so-called rapture terminates the church age with an impossible-to
ignore wake-up call. Assuming it's true; I've no doubt the world over will be
awestruck and very badly shaken by the number of dead folks coming back
to life seemingly out of thin air. We're talking about nigh unto 2,000 years of
Christians from every era since the days of Christ. That's a significant
number.

● 1Thess 4:16a . . For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of
God

The only archangel named in the New Testament is Michael (Jude 9)
However, according to Daniel 10:13 there's more than one archangel so I
think it would be a mistake to insist the archangel's voice in 1Thess 4:16 is
Michael's.

The trumpet call of God is possibly relative to Rev 1:10-18. (cf. 1Cor 15:52)

● 1Thess 4:16b . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

* That incident is sometimes omitted from dramatized versions of the event.

"in Christ" is limited to folks who've undergone the Spirit's supernatural
initiation rite per 1Cor 12:13 and Eph 1:13.

● 1Thess 4:17 . . .Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

That scene would be easier to picture were the Earth flat, but it's a huge
sphere. So when those folks are taken up into the sky, I suspect they will
form a sort of human Oort Cloud all 'round the world at first.

Their exact rendezvous location with the Lord is a bit of a mystery. It's been
suggested they'll actually pass up thru the clouds and their assembly with
the Lord "in the air" will take place above them.

FAQ: What if there are no clouds in some areas?

REPLY: I think we can expect adequate high altitude weather conditions for
that one special day; it is after all a miraculous event.

* Folks left behind will very likely find themselves in immediate danger as
wide spread chaos, confusion, fear, and calamity are happy hunting grounds
for insurrection, looters, vandalism, hoarders, financial panic, and violent
riots.
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You left out the good part. Everything on earth is burned up, except the people. Nothing left, except mountains and rocks to hide under.

 

[Timtofly]

All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“

Except the base is Paradise. They are coming to the sky to meet those at the air"port" coming in from the earth.

Then all return to Paradise.

 

[Timtofly]

I have a problem with heights.

Not in God's permanent incorruptible physical body, you won't.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I am so looking forward to that rendezvous as cancer, combined with chemo
and radiation, has emaciated me to the point where I resemble the half
dead Jews liberated from Dachau and Auschwitz.

I expect the event will be very noisy as thousands of voices fill the air with a
deafening roar of laughter and cheers because those of us who lived our
lives out to old age, enduring time's wasting process, along with injuries and
diseases, will of a sudden find ourselves young and strong again.
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[David in NJ]

The only people who are left behind are those who do not belong to Christ.

God never ordained or spoke of pre-trib rapture for His Saints/Elect/Church.

That is why they have never been able to post a single prophecy or declaration from scripture that states it or agrees to it.

ALWAYS Believe the words of Christ, the Apostles and the OT Prophets.

And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John ch6

the Holy Spirit strongly cautions everyone to only believe the words of God - 1 Timothy 4:1

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,"

Peace in Truth = "Thy word is Truth" spoken by the LORD

 

[Webers_Home]

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Regardless of the timing of the event-- whether pre trib, mid trib, or post
trib -- the extraction depicted by 1Thess 4:13-18 is on track to happen.
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[St. Joseph]

Think I'm going to stay and overcome by the blood . The rapture doctrine is a setup for deception . Aint nobody coming out the grave , those who have died come back with Him

If you are Christ"s,a born again believer,you will go in the rapture whether you believe one or not.

 

[David in NJ]

If you are Christ"s,a born again believer,you will go in the apture whether you believe one or not.

We are told specifically by our LORD Jesus Christ not to look for the 'Rapture'.

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it.
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
See, I have told you beforehand.

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

the LORD knows each one who belongs to HIM and HE will never leave anyone of HIS behind.

"and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus our Deliverer from the wrath to come."
1 Thess 1:10

 

[St. Joseph]

We are told specifically by our LORD Jesus Christ not to look for the 'Rapture'.

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it.
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
See, I have told you beforehand.

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

the LORD knows each one who belongs to HIM and HE will never leave anyone of HIS behind.

"and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus our Deliverer from the wrath to come."
1 Thess 1:10

Put your emphasis on the lightning part of that