God "CREATED" -- What it actually means.

[Ronald Nolette]

When all is said and done, it will rather be known that God is One, but it is only men who have been in three different places having three different perspectives. Men perceive "Yesterday, today, and forever", but God is "all in all", "I am."

1 Corinthians 12:6
And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.​

Yes this is true- but the Father is seated on the throne of heaven.

Jesus is in heaven preparing a place for us anf making intercession.

The Holy Spirit is on earth bringing us to faith in Christ.

 

[farouk]

Yes this is true- but the Father is seated on the throne of heaven.

Jesus is in heaven preparing a place for us anf making intercession.

The Holy Spirit is on earth bringing us to faith in Christ.

@Ronald Nolette The Lord Jesus indeed 'ever liveth to make intercession' (Hebrews 7.25) for His ppl; Romans 8.34 also.

 

[ScottA]

So to you REv. 19 is a present reality?

What is He king and Lord of?

"Old things have passed, all things have become new"...but are not to be misunderstood: These are the times of the gentiles wherein Paul explained, each comes "each in his own order." Israel came each one in his order too, but died until salvation had come in Christ, whom He first brought (John 10:16), which, having died, were raised up with Christ and are now "the dead in Christ." But we the gentiles, Christ has descended into the depths of the earth gathering the harvest from the past, after which He explained saying, "I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Which would occur until the end, to one and to all ("anyone") who would hear, which Paul elaborated to say, "but each one in his own order."

Granted, it is a difficult thing for time-dwelling mortals to conceive that every act of God involving salvation--is not of the world and therefore not on that same timeline per say, but eternally in God in Christ. God is the same always. In other words, Salvation is of God, not according to the times of this world, but according to the eternal context of God. Thus, when it was "finished" with Christ, it was finished with God for all who are in Christ (in God).

Jesus has been given all power and authority. He was One with the Father before the foundation of the world, lowered Himself to the level of men for the sake of salvation, but is now One again. The use of the words King and Lord, is simply the appropriate language to use when referring to those being saved. Yet, as He prayed, that is not the end of the matter, but rather we too following Him as "firstfruits" are to be One with God as well, just as They are One--that was His prayer.

 

[ScottA]

Not absolute one but a composite one. that is what the Hebrew one means here.

If you continue to straddle the fence of time and eternity, of God and men...you can continue to make such stipulations, stipulations that only exist during the times and minds of men.

If you do not think so...try explaining how "I am" is a composite term.

It is not.

 

[ScottA]

Yes this is true- but the Father is seated on the throne of heaven.

Jesus is in heaven preparing a place for us anf making intercession.

The Holy Spirit is on earth bringing us to faith in Christ.

Get off the fence.

Why should I debate with you and say that the scriptures say "I in You and You in Me" and keep correcting you? Why should I keep saying that Jesus is enthroned with God, but has long since begun to return to anyone here in the world who hears Him knock and opens the door? And why should I try to reason with you that if Jesus has come quickly to those who open the door to Him according to His promise to sent the Holy Spirit--meaning that God is not All in All...when you don't want to hear it?

 

[MatthewG]

15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.

It is very interesting to find out that the Son who was the Word of God (John 1:1), For in Him, who was the firstborn over all creation, all things were created in heaven, and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or rules or authorities. All things were created (through) Him - The Word - The Son of God - and for Him and For Him. He is before all things (having been the Word), and in Him all things hold together.

So because of the Word - the Son of God - He holds all things together, and All things were created through Him and For Him (all things in heaven or on earth) visible or invisible (like the wind). The Son of God is the head of the body, - the church or assembly.

He (the Son) - is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead (having been the first to resurrect), so that in All things (the Son) He may have preeminence.

For God was pleased to have all (His - God the Father of the Son) - fulness dwell in Him (The Holy Spirit in its fullest capacity), and through Him (The Son) to reconcile to Himself (All things) whether things on earth or things in heaven,

by making peace through the blood of (the Sons) Cross.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Potter makes vessels, some for good and some for evil - accept it or not. Some people are cracked pots that will never heal - but serve a purpose ... to glorify Him.
Yes the word form can be applied to everything but everything is not contained in one sentence. But you can try to fit it in if you'd like.
God created an apple. What does that mean to you? Is it an apple that you eat or something else? You can spiritualize the meaning of an apple. Maybe He is saying, we are the apple of His eye. Or maybe He is talking about New York, the Big Apple ... that's it ... it's prophetic, a reference ti the end times? Or maybe He's talking about something beneath the skin, the core meaning of life ... yes... the seed? Okay Johnny apple seed, whatever you think.

I get the sense that you are mocking me. It is encouraging to me that God can take a marred vessel, without form, unto dishonor…and create another new one, with form, unto honor. The topic was “without form” and “void” …odd we say he creates a new earth…what was wrong with the old one?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Potter makes vessels, some for good and some for evil - accept it or not

flesh and Spirit?
What is: an earthen vessel?
Can a weak vessel glorify Christ?
Are we all weak, where He is strong?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Christ did not come til long agter creation. The light in Genesis is tye light that we see, composed of waves, particles, a color spectrum- very complex, so much so that scientists are not quite sure about it.


God was just making a point that man did not know, wasn't wise, and so in expressing their ignorance, He points out that they weren't there when He created the earth. He expressed the same grievance with Job: "Where were you when I made everything ... tell me?"

You said: “God was just making a point that man did not know, wasn't wise, and so in expressing their ignorance, He points out that they weren't there when He created the earth.”

Jeremiah 4:22-23 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. [23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Sounds very similar to: Romans 3:10-14,16-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one. [13] Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: [14] Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: [16] Destruction and misery are in their ways: [17] And the way of peace have they not known: [18] There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Yes or no…Can you relate to your life once being without form and void? Did the Spirit of God move over the darkness and give you Light so as not to stumble on? Did He create something out of the void and bring form to that which was without form? What is “a new creature” if not to create a new thing?

Even “void” points to Christ 2. Making or declaring void, or of no force.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Chapter and verse? I believe God the Father and Son see all and know all, but only God the Holy Spirit is omnipresent.

what? why do you continue to speculate? Even while on earth, Jesus was in heaven at the same time!

John 3:13, "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man Who is in heaven"

the ending has been corrupted by those who deny that Jesus Christ is Almighty God. This verse shows OMNIPRESENCE

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I get the sense that you are mocking me. It is encouraging to me that God can take a marred vessel, without form, unto dishonor…and create another new one, with form, unto honor. The topic was “without form” and “void” …odd we say he creates a new earth…what was wrong with the old one?

You aren't Johnny Apple Seed ... No. I was just making a point that one can try to look for symbolic spiritual meanings when the text just is trying to convey something literal and physical as in the creation account.
He will destroy this earth and create a new one that is perfect. You can't put new wine in an old wine skin.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You said: “God was just making a point that man did not know, wasn't wise, and so in expressing their ignorance, He points out that they weren't there when He created the earth.”

Jeremiah 4:22-23 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. [23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Sounds very similar to: Romans 3:10-14,16-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one. [13] Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: [14] Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: [16] Destruction and misery are in their ways: [17] And the way of peace have they not known: [18] There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Yes or no…Can you relate to your life once being without form and void? Did the Spirit of God move over the darkness and give you Light so as not to stumble on? Did He create something out of the void and bring form to that which was without form? What is “a new creature” if not to create a new thing?

Even “void” points to Christ 2. Making or declaring void, or of no force.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Don't want to repeat myself over and over. You don't accept Genesis literally ... then turn on your spiritual attenna and have at it. Not much much more I can say.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You aren't Johnny Apple Seed ... No. I was just making a point that one can try to look for symbolic spiritual meanings when the text just is trying to convey something literal and physical as in the creation account.
He will destroy this earth and create a new one that is perfect. You can't put new wine in an old wine skin.

“He will destroy this earth and create a new one that is perfect.” final thought is Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

“He will destroy this earth and create a new one that is perfect.” final thought is Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else.

"Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." Rev. 21:1

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"Old things have passed, all things have become new"...but are not to be misunderstood: These are the times of the gentiles wherein Paul explained, each comes "each in his own order." Israel came each one in his order too, but died until salvation had come in Christ, whom He first brought (John 10:16), which, having died, were raised up with Christ and are now "the dead in Christ." But we the gentiles, Christ has descended into the depths of the earth gathering the harvest from the past, after which He explained saying, "I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Which would occur until the end, to one and to all ("anyone") who would hear, which Paul elaborated to say, "but each one in his own order."

Granted, it is a difficult thing for time-dwelling mortals to conceive that every act of God involving salvation--is not of the world and therefore not on that same timeline per say, but eternally in God in Christ. God is the same always. In other words, Salvation is of God, not according to the times of this world, but according to the eternal context of God. Thus, when it was "finished" with Christ, it was finished with God for all who are in Christ (in God).

Jesus has been given all power and authority. He was One with the Father before the foundation of the world, lowered Himself to the level of men for the sake of salvation, but is now One again. The use of the words King and Lord, is simply the appropriate language to use when referring to those being saved. Yet, as He prayed, that is not the end of the matter, but rather we too following Him as "firstfruits" are to be One with God as well, just as They are One--that was His prayer.

Nice speech. I agree with most of it. but you didn't answer the question. If we are to be one with God (trinity) are we to be kings and Lords as well? Where?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Get off the fence.

Why should I debate with you and say that the scriptures say "I in You and You in Me" and keep correcting you? Why should I keep saying that Jesus is enthroned with God, but has long since begun to return to anyone here in the world who hears Him knock and opens the door? And why should I try to reason with you that if Jesus has come quickly to those who open the door to Him according to His promise to sent the Holy Spirit--meaning that God is not All in All...when you don't want to hear it?

Do you believe Jesus ascended in the physical glorified body He rose from the dead in?

Jesus said He left to prepare a place for us. So do you believe that place is complete now?

also check the construct of John 3:13- particularly the verbs. Jesus did not say he was in heaven and on earth at the same time.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

what? why do you continue to speculate? Even while on earth, Jesus was in heaven at the same time!

John 3:13, "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man Who is in heaven"

the ending has been corrupted by those who deny that Jesus Christ is Almighty God. This verse shows OMNIPRESENCE

then why did Jesus say He had to go back to heaven? If He was already there, that is a stupid statement. God is not stupid.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

then why did Jesus say He had to go back to heaven? If He was already there, that is a stupid statement. God is not stupid.

Because Jesus in His human body is not omnipresent. He is the God-Man

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Because Jesus in His human body is not omnipresent. He is the God-Man

Jesus in His glorified human body is not omnipresent either!

 

[ChristisGod]

The Son is Eternal as the 2nd Person of the Godhead/ Trinity . God is immutable . God is Omni All. So the Son has always been Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. His Divine nature as God never changed . Becoming a man did not change His attributes as God.

hope this helps !!