attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[amigo de christo]

You are contradicting yourself here.

To pray is to 'earnestly ask'

So if we can 'earnestly ask' our brothers and sisters to pray for us, how much more so those who have gone before us and are already made perfect?


Pax et Bonum

No . its ROME that contradicts . THERE is a huge difference between me asking someone for a cup of cold water
as there is to me praying to them . Rome sold you all a lie to justify its own lie .
While prayer itself contains requests , ITs not the same as one simply asking another for something .
PRAY TO GOD not to man . PRAY TO GOD not to angels . PRAY to GOD and flee the CC forever and never look back .

 

[BarneyFife]

Not exactly Colonel Potter's [M.A.S.H.] phrase, is it?

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[Blue Dragonfly's]

I'm not familiar with the SDA religion. But I know from having been a Mormon that the word cult is offensive in a similar way to degrading a specific people like a minority. By it's definition the word cult is used for a small group of people like a minority. I don't use the word cult as I find it counterproductive to my correction of a false doctrine.

WEBSTER'S
Cult:a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious.

To Orthodox Jews Christianity is a cult. Because we revere the Messiah their ancestors decreed a blasphemer. And after succeeding in having him executed by Rome cursed themselves and their future generations saying , let his blood be on our heads and those of our children. Matthew 27.
[And God did]

SDA , Seventh Day Adventist, are not a cult.
The SDA grew out of the Millerite movement.

While Ellen White, an SDA co-founder along with her husband, allegedly met the biblical criteria for prophetess, there are those who put no credence in women prophets or pastors. Though Paul praised both in his churches, though the term pastor then was not extant.
Often that prejudice is what turns some against SDA.

It should be noted though that one does not have to accept EW's writings as a test to be an SDA.
“Our enemies try very hard to make it appear that we make the visions [of Ellen White] a test of fellowship… Our leading men have never done this, and the visions themselves teach that it should not be done… No; we do not make the visions a test, and never have. But we do claim the right to believe them, to talk about them freely, and to read them in private and in public, and shall no doubt continue to exercise that right, regardless of the spite of those who hate us.”
– from: “The Visions: How Are They Held Among S.D. Adventists” Review & Herald Supplement, Aug. 14, 1883.

And too, it need be said SDA detractors may not know what they're actually talking about.

To presuppose my accusers and slanderers here, not only am I not gnostic,nor Calvinist, I'm not SDA either.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not familiar with the SDA religion. But I know from having been a Mormon that the word cult is offensive in a similar way to degrading a specific people like a minority. By it's definition the word cult is used for a small group of people like a minority. I don't use the word cult as I find it counterproductive to my correction of a false doctrine.

The word cult is offensive , SO is The word VIPER , So is the word hyprocrite
SO is calling someone a whited grave . JESUS didnt seem to worry , john the baptist didnt seem to worry
JUDE didnt seem to worry when he wrote what he did . PETER sure didnt seem to worry
James didnt , YE adulterers and adulteresses , I think that word is OFFENSIVE TOO .
SO are the words paul used to describe them twisted vultures who prey on the people .
DOGS is what he called them . I think being called a dog is OFFENSIVE .
WE need to quit worrying and rather just speak the truth . SO allow me a few words .
POPE francis is a man of belial and of the spirit of darkness . NOW i KNOW that is offensive
but true it is and i dont want anyone going in that direction . I suggest we start reading our bibles again .
AND do remember that some men are called to warn and exhort .
Take a peek at some of the ana baptists and leaders of the reformation . THEM folks used words like SEAT of anti christ
SON of perditon . WHICH i might add some folks have called me . AND YET i didnt get all offended and go cry somewhere .
ITS TIME the CHURCH learn and learn well we are appointed unto persecutions , mockings , trials and etc .
LET US GLORIFY GOD in all we do and let us GLORIFY GOD when we are persecuted . LET US SIMPLY GLORIFY THE LORD
and fear not man and learn to embrace the true HOPE we have in CHRIST .
Folks i have to warn us that most of the protestant realm has tanked , and the CC is highly dangerous .
IF folks are either afraid to warn or perhaps they do not yet know , THEN AT LEAST allow the ones who are willing
to be hated and persecuted for the sake of the peoples , TO WARN . ALLOW ME THAT . I pray for all
but it will be a cold day in the lake of fire long before i cease to warn and exhort . And since we know that aint gonna happen
then at least allow me these parting words , I myself will be long dead , long cold and stinking in the soil
before i quit trying to help the peoples .

 

[BarneyFife]

Well I attack the teaching and I will inform people of the cult involved with the teaching.

by the standard definition of a cult- the SDA is. that is not an attack, merely conveying truth.

cult
[kəlt]
NOUN

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object:
   "the cult of St. Olaf"
   • a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister:
     "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
     synonyms:
     sect · religious group · denomination · religious order · church · faith · faith community · belief · persuasion · affiliation · movement · group · body · faction · clique
   • a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing:

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[Blue Dragonfly's]

@Heart2Soul, you had said you knew all members here and weren't aware of any Roman Catholics? Below is one among many.

You are contradicting yourself here.

To pray is to 'earnestly ask'

So if we can 'earnestly ask' our brothers and sisters to pray for us, how much more so those who have gone before us and are already made perfect?


Pax et Bonum

 

[BarneyFife]

I believe that he used a "P"... LOL!

Potterisms!
So much more fun than Bushisms.

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ABOUT.. FACE!!

FORWARD.. SKEEDADDLE!!

(ROTFL)
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[farouk]

Leaving aside personal sentiments, it is constructive to ask: "What saith the Scriptures?"

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

The word cult is offensive , SO is The word VIPER , So is the word hyprocrite
SO is calling someone a whited grave . JESUS didnt seem to worry , john the baptist didnt seem to worry
JUDE didnt seem to worry when he wrote what he did . PETER sure didnt seem to worry
James didnt , YE adulterers and adulteresses , I think that word is OFFENSIVE TOO .
SO are the words paul used to describe them twisted vultures who prey on the people .
DOGS is what he called them . I think being called a dog is OFFENSIVE .
WE need to quit worrying and rather just speak the truth . SO allow me a few words .
POPE francis is a man of belial and of the spirit of darkness . NOW i KNOW that is offensive
but true it is and i dont want anyone going in that direction . I suggest we start reading our bibles again .
AND do remember that some men are called to warn and exhort .
Take a peek at some of the ana baptists and leaders of the reformation . THEM folks used words like SEAT of anti christ
SON of perditon . WHICH i might add some folks have called me . AND YET i didnt get all offended and go cry somewhere .
ITS TIME the CHURCH learn and learn well we are appointed unto persecutions , mockings , trials and etc .
LET US GLORIFY GOD in all we do and let us GLORIFY GOD when we are persecuted . LET US SIMPLY GLORIFY THE LORD
and fear not man and learn to embrace the true HOPE we have in CHRIST .
Folks i have to warn us that most of the protestant realm has tanked , and the CC is highly dangerous .
IF folks are either afraid to warn or perhaps they do not yet know , THEN AT LEAST allow the ones who are willing
to be hated and persecuted for the sake of the peoples , TO WARN . ALLOW ME THAT . I pray for all
but it will be a cold day in the lake of fire long before i cease to warn and exhort . And since we know that aint gonna happen
then at least allow me these parting words , I myself will be long dead , long cold and stinking in the soil
before i quit trying to help the peoples .

Those who find words offensive when others are exposing their false doctrine as publicly as they push it here may wish to consider the hell that awaits members of false churches is far worse and longer lasting than the emotional prick of a single written word.

Not to be compared to those trolls who wilfully slander members by accusing them of being aligned with a movement or belief they're not aligned with.And after the accused afforded repeated denial and correction.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Totally agree with that. Members of that denomination however often abuse critics of being anti-protestant, or anti-Catholic etc etc, making the criticism personal against the members of the church as opposed to the teachings itself. The actual teachings and any justifiable criticism become buried under an avalanche of debris and detritus that come down on the head of the poster in the form of offended egos and hurt feelings. That's when the mods step in to bring peace and the discussion is closed. Claiming to be personally affronted these days is a highly successful tactic to defuse truth.

Identifying a certain sect as holding a heterodoxical belief of Scripture is not attacking the denomination but identifying those who hold that questionable belief.

It is not an attack to vehemently disagree with say the perpetual virginity of Mary and identifying Roman Catholicism as the one who promulgates that belief. Attacking a sect is vastly different than identifying a sect that holds a false belief.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

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ABOUT.. FACE!!

FORWARD.. SKEEDADDLE!!

(ROTFL)
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MASH was so much fun back in the day of rerun MASH marathons.

10 M*A*S*H Memes That Remind You Of How Great It Was

 

[Enoch111]

You misunderstand a passage you think supports your narrative.

This is rich. "Misunderstand a passage"? Why don't you show us exactly how Hebrews 12:1,22-24 can be misunderstood. So anyone who denies that the saints are in Heaven is a false teacher.

BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS AND FALSE PROPHETS!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm not familiar with the SDA religion. But I know from having been a Mormon that the word cult is offensive in a similar way to degrading a specific people like a minority. By it's definition the word cult is used for a small group of people like a minority. I don't use the word cult as I find it counterproductive to my correction of a false doctrine.

It is a loaded term, I agree! I generally do not use it at first with anyone. but if I spend time in discussion/debate with one who holds cult like beliefs, they alreasdy are dug in and before I end the conversation, I will bring out a big gun.

I belong to an independent Baptist church in New England. and many other sects consider Baptists a cult. I guess I have much thicker skin than most.

 

[dev553344]

WEBSTER'S
Cult:a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious.

To Orthodox Jews Christianity is a cult. Because we revere the Messiah their ancestors decreed a blasphemer. And after succeeding in having him executed by Rome cursed themselves and their future generations saying , let his blood be on our heads and those of our children. Matthew 27.
[And God did]

SDA , Seventh Day Adventist, are not a cult.
The SDA grew out of the Millerite movement.

While Ellen White, an SDA co-founder along with her husband, allegedly met the biblical criteria for prophetess, there are those who put no credence in women prophets or pastors. Though Paul praised both in his churches, though the term pastor then was not extant.
Often that prejudice is what turns some against SDA.

It should be noted though that one does not have to accept EW's writings as a test to be an SDA.
“Our enemies try very hard to make it appear that we make the visions [of Ellen White] a test of fellowship… Our leading men have never done this, and the visions themselves teach that it should not be done… No; we do not make the visions a test, and never have. But we do claim the right to believe them, to talk about them freely, and to read them in private and in public, and shall no doubt continue to exercise that right, regardless of the spite of those who hate us.”
– from: “The Visions: How Are They Held Among S.D. Adventists” Review & Herald Supplement, Aug. 14, 1883.

And too, it need be said SDA detractors may not know what they're actually talking about.

To presuppose my accusers and slanderers here, not only am I not gnostic,nor Calvinist, I'm not SDA either.

I think I read one of Ellen White's prophecies and found it to be interesting and possibly correct. I see some churches have received correct prophecies, but over the years I see that their leaders steer their churches onto false doctrine areas. And I see this is the case for many of the religions I have investigated. That God inspired people start the religion and then men and their ideas eventually pollute them.

 

[BarneyFife]

Folks i have to warn us that most of the protestant realm has tanked , and the CC is highly dangerous .

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We've had discussions along these lines before.

Things are what they are, but anti-denominationalism is not the Gospel, Amigo.

It is all the rage, though.
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[Ronald Nolette]

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Sure—no offense taken.
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I will try to live peacefully with all I disagree with. But at near 68 years young, I am no longer going to tip toe on perceived feelings. It takes to long to dget a list of what offends everyone I come in contact with and is simply too exhausting.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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We've had discussions along these lines before.

Things are what they are, but anti-denominationalism is not the Gospel, Amigo.

It is all the rage, though.
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Well teh body of Christ isnot a denomination but a living organism. We are found in all denominations of christendom.

denominatioalism has happened as Paul warned because of pride and spiritual arrogance and groupd being deceived by slick teachers.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I think I read one of Ellen White's prophecies and found it to be interesting and possibly correct. I see some churches have received correct prophecies, but over the years I see that their leaders steer their churches onto false doctrine areas. And I see this is the case for many of the religions I have investigated. That God inspired people start the religion and then men and their ideas eventually pollute them.

That's not unusual for the worldly egocentrics is it?

Think about man's place in the history of dispensing God's words.
''You're'' [impersonal contraction] asking readers to believe the power within all creation entrusted you to take dictation as to his plans for eternity.We objectified a spirit and made it male in the process.

Now, many centuries later, many councils afterward, over 40 diffetent male authors past, and countless ''versions'' of a universal message, and dozens of denominations interpreting said message over the ages we've arrived at where we are today.

In a world worse now than before the Prince of Peace arrived with a new testimony.

It's a human thing. That insured as long as we exist here, the world and we are always going to need to be saved.....from us.

 

[BarneyFife]

It is a loaded term, I agree! I generally do not use it at first with anyone. but if I spend time in discussion/debate with one who holds cult like beliefs, they alreasdy are dug in and before I end the conversation, I will bring out a big gun.

I belong to an independent Baptist church in New England. and many other sects consider Baptists a cult. I guess I have much thicker skin than most.

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I was a Baptist for 26 years.

Never heard of any accusations of cult beliefs.

Just my experience.

I wonder why Jesus didn't just come right out and tell the woman at the well of Sychar she was in a cult?

Maybe he thought it would feel more like a knife to her than a big gun.
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[BarneyFife]

Well teh body of Christ isnot a denomination but a living organism. We are found in all denominations of christendom.

denominatioalism has happened as Paul warned because of pride and spiritual arrogance and groupd being deceived by slick teachers.

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Wouldn't know about that.

I'm not a denominationalist.

I'm not anti-denominational, either.

There might be a couple of good ones out there, for all I know.
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