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works of faith .

Its 'Faith without works"..
Its "justified by faith"....>"without works.

Its.."Abraham was justified by FAITH......without works", and is the Father of our FAITH.

So, you dont what you are talking about.
You just want to troll the Cross and talk about your FAITH, that you believe saves you.
But it doesn't, as ive explained to you 50 + times..

GOD, saves you THROUGH FAITH....
God is the Savior......not the faith.

Faith IN CHRIST is ACCEPTED ONCE.........by God, and the GOD causes our SALVATiON . = Born again is the proof you have it.
 

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But what you or anyone else can't deny is that if you don't have faith

Look again.

Its 'Faith without works"..
Its "justified by faith"....>"without works.

Its.."Abraham was justified by FAITH......without works", and is the Father of our FAITH.

= GOD, saves you THROUGH FAITH....
God is the Savior......not the faith.

Faith IN CHRIST is ACCEPTED ONCE.........by God, and the GOD causes our SALVATiON . = Born again is the proof you have it.
 

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This means you teach that FAITH, and not GOD, keeps a person saved.
People who do not have faith are not saved. You deceive people into thinking they don't have to have faith in order to be saved, ready to meet Jesus when he comes back. You are building a house of people made of straw. They will be burned up in the judgment. And so you will have no reward for your labor in your vain attempt to be God's co-worker in building his temple.
 

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Its 'Faith without works"..
Its "justified by faith"....>"without works.

Its.."Abraham was justified by FAITH......without works", and is the Father of our FAITH.

So, you dont what you are talking about.
You just want to troll the Cross and talk about your FAITH, that you believe saves you.
But it doesn't, as ive explained to you 50 + times..

GOD, saves you THROUGH FAITH....
God is the Savior......not the faith.

Faith IN CHRIST is ACCEPTED ONCE.........by God, and the GOD causes our SALVATiON . = Born again is the proof you have it.
I think your main problem is you're deaf.
You can't even understand the argument, let alone refute it, lol.
 

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Think what you want about staying saved. The fact remains that if you do not have works of faith you do not have the faith that makes you righteous. For if you really did have the faith that makes one righteous you'd be living the righteousness you have received. And so the absence of righteousness shows you don't have it all. It shows you don't really have faith in the blood of Christ.

Hello Ferris,

From me being saved comes from an experience that comes from understanding and knowing that it is because of the Lord Jesus Christ that anyone is saved. It is to believe on Him, and to do as He commanded which was to always firstly love God, with all your mind, and all your heart and all your soul or strength (I forgot). And to love your neighbor as yourself.

The works of faith, are to believe on Him, and to Love. Love is the commandment from my understanding and the only things that remain out of all our emotions and the things in the world is Faith, Hope, and Love.

It is because of everything that the Lord Yeshua had fulfilled having fulfilled the law and the prophet, and God (Father) Yahweh, saw this success and appeasing having suffered death for the sake of all the world, and not himself. Because of the pure blood that Jesus had shed on behalf of all people, now today people come into being right with God by faith, in the Son of God who came down from heaven, died, and was risen again by His Father, who deemed Jesus (The Word of God) - The Only begotten-Son, in which first he was deemed my beloved son.

That is what my thoughts are on being saved, and being seen right with God it is because of Yeshua/Jesus that a person is made right with God, however this is incorporated into one single human beings life when they choose to say to themselves "Hey you know what, maybe my life does matter to God, and he does care about me, but not only my own life, he also cares about others life too" and by hearing good news from the Bible does a person really become in ensconced in knowing truth by desiring to seek for it and it is unsolicited.

Thank you for reading.
 

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Born again is the proof you have it.
And proof of being born again, you know, being a new creation, is that you are ACTUALLY A NEW CREATION. You have unchanged old creations deceived into thinking they are changed new creations. If they were really changed THEY'D BE CHANGED.
 

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Born again is the proof you have it.

No it’s not.

Here’s the proof:

“…a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.” (Luke 6:43-45)
 
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Hello Ferris,

From me being saved comes from an experience that comes from understanding and knowing that it is because of the Lord Jesus Christ that anyone is saved. It is to believe on Him, and to do as He commanded which was to always firstly love God, with all your mind, and all your heart and all your soul or strength (I forgot). And to love your neighbor as yourself.

The works of faith, are to believe on Him, and to Love. Love is the commandment from my understanding and the only things that remain out of all our emotions and the things in the world is Faith, Hope, and Love.

It is because of everything that the Lord Yeshua had fulfilled having fulfilled the law and the prophet, and God (Father) Yahweh, saw this success and appeasing having suffered death for the sake of all the world, and not himself. Because of the pure blood that Jesus had shed on behalf of all people, now today people come into being right with God by faith, in the Son of God who came down from heaven, died, and was risen again by His Father, who deemed Jesus (The Word of God) - The Only begotten-Son, in which first he was deemed my beloved son.

That is what my thoughts are on being saved, and being seen right with God it is because of Yeshua/Jesus that a person is made right with God, however this is incorporated into one single human beings life when they choose to say to themselves "Hey you know what, maybe my life does matter to God, and he does care about me, but not only my own life, he also cares about others life too" and by hearing good news from the Bible does a person really become in ensconced in knowing truth by desiring to seek for it and it is unsolicited.

Thank you for reading.
Becoming a new, saved, born again person happens entirely by faith all by itself in God's forgiveness. A forgiveness that has been provided for us through the sacrifice of Christ. But that grace does not go without effect. If it does go without effect it shows you do not really have the forgiveness of God that changes a person.
 

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Becoming a new, saved, born again person happens entirely by faith all by itself in God's forgiveness. A forgiveness that has been provided for us through the sacrifice of Christ. But that grace does not go without effect. If it does go without effect it shows you do not really have the forgiveness of God that changes a person.

Yes, that is right. You are speaking about how in the Bible it talks about how a person should die to their old life and live to their new life, which is the life that the Lord Jesus Christ provides for a person who is a believer right now this very minute.

What an old life reflects is a person who has lived a life in their flesh and never once by the spirit until upon receiving in when a person started to look towards God, whom created the universe. Which you probably know and understand about those things too. That the old life, is the one lived in the flesh, having lust, anger, hatred, envy, jealousy, malicious intent, ill will, and no regard for the things of the Holy Spirit of God / and that the things of the Spirit of Christ that should be protruding through by and through faith allowing God to work in them by the Spirit, and in faith, praying in the name of Christ to help them in their weaknesses and troubles and to help abide in Christ which produces always love.
 
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Duet. 6:5
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And by the teaching authority of Christ in His church

Yes sir that is very true. Jesus the head of the congregation sent forth his disciples to make disciples, to continue till all the nations were reached with the good news. Are you excited that we are living in the times when that work is nearly finished? We have basically saturated the entire earth with the opportunity for all to get to know Jehovah. I know that I am personally excited as I can truthfully state that everyone you personally know has been reached by one of Christ's followers in their lifetime.
 

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Because God said that if i gave Him my faith in His Son, then He gives me His "exceedingly great promises", and included in that, is Eternal life, "the Gift of Righteousness and the Gift of Salvation"

Interesting interpretation.
 

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Hi Charlie, been a while my friend hope all is well. I agree, like the law covenant, none of us can keep the law of the Christ either. Of course there are some that post here that say they do, at least one anyway, but as far as I know there is only one sinless person to ever live, and in fact he lived under the Law covenant, which is really a statement in itself.
We Christians do our utmost not to sin Charlie, and we beg forgiveness for when we do. I think that likely one of the main reasons we worship and work hard to observe God's commandments is because of our thankfulness for His kindness toward us Charlie. I fail to see why you think I don't see this sir, perhaps you could post what I ever said to indicate otherwise.
I do disagree with your statement that God demands perfection, as He is not so uneducated to know that only one human in history fills that bill. Why is it do you suppose He sent Jesus?
So, what commandment or point of law of Christ are not able to keep, and say it is therefore impossible for anyone else to do also?

Being neighborly? Adultery? Thieving? vile cursing? Riotous living? Lusting to look upon others? Coveting another man's goods?

Go ahead, man up. Since you declare all people are transgressors of the law of Christ, then tell us how you're transgressing it, and then explain how everyone else must do the same.

All this doctrinal theorizing stuff about the law of Christ, is a bunch of false-humility garbage, that no one wants to own up to in detail.

If you can't say how you are transgressing it in any single point, then how can you say you're not keeping it?

And if you won't show which point or commandment of Jesus' law is impossible to do, then why do you declare it impossible to do?
 

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Where does it say righteousness by faith with works?
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

If it's righteousness without justification, then it's useless for salvation:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

There is no righteousness without works of faith, because there is no imputed righteousness without forgiveness of past sins, which cannot be without the confessing work of the Spirit:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


All this faith alone stuff is nothing by theological sophistry, that has not practical use nor purpose.

God is looking for a people that are righteous, because they are doing it, not just because they think they are it.

Self-righteousness is by works without faith, and by faith without works.
 

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"Righteousness is not something you can do."

If it's the righteousness that is by faith alone, then you'd better not be doing it, otherwise it's not by faith alone.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


A reprobate mind is one that will no longer acknowledge truth of Scripture, and so openly contradicts it. It happens when hypocrites declare all Scripture on paper no longer matters to them.

They are worse than the unbeliever, because any child can at least read a book and repeat what's written in it.
 

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Where does it say righteousness by faith with works?
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
If you insist that James is saying a man is MADE righteous by faith with works then you put him in direct contradiction to Paul who says you are MADE righteous by faith without works - "unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works" (Romans 4:6). The Catholics attempted to resolve this apparent contradiction by saying Paul meant without works of the law, not good deeds done in faith, and that Paul is really saying a man is made righteous by faith with good deeds done in faith without works of the law. And so that resolves the contradiction between James and Paul. But if that's true, that a person is MADE righteous by doing good deeds in faith, how does doing those good deeds in faith MAKE you a righteous, born again, new creation in Christ? They don't, of course.

The apparent contradiction between James and Paul is easily defused when one realizes that 'justified' has two distinct definitions. It means 1) to be made righteous, and 2) to be shown to be righteous. Faith all by itself makes one righteous. That's Paul's argument. Works show that you have that righteousness. That's James' argument.

In no way is either one of them saying works of any kind MAKE you a born again, transformed, new creation in Christ. God's mercy received through faith does that ALL BY ITSELF. God did this in order that justification/salvation would be a gift, not a reward earned for righteous work completed. I mean, what righteous work can do that anyway? What work MAKES a person born again? None, of course. Only having your unrighteousness forgiven and replaced with God's righteousness can do that. That is the very thing that makes justification/salvation the gracious gift that it is.

"13But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!14I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified. " Luke 18:13-14