Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

[Christian Gedge]

Awesome.

 

[Marty fox]

That is not what Paul is saying. Paul is saying there is a spiritual birth. The spiritual birth changes one's relationship with God. It is a spiritual change, not a physical one.

The physical change and seated with Christ happens when the soul leaves this body for the permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise. The spiritual birth places us in Christ. Physical death places us physically in Paradise with Christ.

Paul also said that we are seated with Christ while still living on earth.

 

[Marty fox]

A lot of people forget, Christ did not only defeat sin through His sinless life, atoning death, and glorious resurrection, He also defeated death, Hades, the devil and eternal punishment. None of these therefore will hold dominion over the believer ever again.

Before the resurrection the redeemed dead were forced to stay in Hades awaiting the defeat of sin, death, Hades and Satan. The limitations that once held God’s people from the presence of God now restrain Satan so that he cannot access heaven any more to accuse the elect. Jesus opened heaven up to the redeemed (both living and dead) when he defeated all our great enemies. He consequently emptied Abraham's bosom and took the dead in Christ in heaven.

So, I would say the reigning with Christ in heaven could only happen after He had conquered every enemy of righteousness. Jesus taught in John 11:25, saying, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."

This is speaking of the resurrection life that can be enjoyed in this life through faith.

• Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled every lofty demand that the law required Him to achieve.
• He achieved every demand that His Father demanded off Him.
• He satisfied every demand justice required of Him.

He paid the penalty for your sin in full. Justice was satisfied. He took upon Himself your punishment. He stood in your stead. The penalty has already been paid. Believers are no longer in condemnation.

Jesus testified in John 16:11: “the prince of this world is judged.”

The devil is already judged. He is not waiting to be judged. He is already been condemned to his eternal doom.

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die” (John 12:31-33).

Satan being cast out of heaven means his seat of accusation against believers before God is gone forever. He cannot accuse you before the throne of heaven anymore, because your penalty is fully paid. The only thing he can do is point the finger to you directly and hope that you are stupid enough to listen to him.

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 20:1-5 parallels Revelation 12: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

This is the authority Jesus secured through His resurrection. He cast Satan out of heaven and then restrained him with spiritual chains so that the Gospel could enlighten the nations. Satan's defeat came after the resurrection.

Amen what an amazing post this says it all and should be a new thread in itself it destroyes any argument against it

 

[Marty fox]

Hmmm, you’re right. I envision the Church on earth as an outpost of the heavenly Kingdom, so in that sense we are reigning here now like you say. But, getting back to the last part of verse 4: “They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” How are you interpreting, “They came to life?”

They came to life when they accepted Christ spiritually but rev 20:4 is showing that even though they died physically they instantly come to life spiritually the body was killed but not the spirit. The spirit was freed from the body.

 

[Timtofly]

Paul also said that we are seated with Christ while still liv on earth.

In Christ.

You cannot be two places at the same time.

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

We are spiritually quickened with Christ. We are seated together in Christ. When we shed this temporal body, the soul enters a permanent incorruptible physical body. Then we are seated with Christ.

You cannot be in this body and that body at the same time.

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

 

[The PuP]

The reality of the judgment of the resurrection will continue to be a hope that is deferred by death until Jesus appears the 2nd time (in the future).

Heb 9:27-28 KJV 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Because Jesus is the Son of man, all authority of the judgment of resurrection, whether unto life or unto damnation, belongs to Jesus. And it is the salvation of the soul, the resurrection that is the blessed hope of the Christian... the glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, who will reward every man according to his works when he comes with all the holy angels! Hallelujah!

Heb 10:34-39 KJV 34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have IN HEAVEN a better and an enduring substance. 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath GREAT recompence of REWARD. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, AFTER ye have done the will of God, ye might RECEIVE the PROMISE. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[GEN2REV]

A lot of people forget, Christ did not only defeat sin through His sinless life, atoning death, and glorious resurrection, He also defeated death, Hades, the devil and eternal punishment. None of these therefore will hold dominion over the believer ever again.

Before the resurrection the redeemed dead were forced to stay in Hades awaiting the defeat of sin, death, Hades and Satan. The limitations that once held God’s people from the presence of God now restrain Satan so that he cannot access heaven any more to accuse the elect. Jesus opened heaven up to the redeemed (both living and dead) when he defeated all our great enemies. He consequently emptied Abraham's bosom and took the dead in Christ in heaven.

So, I would say the reigning with Christ in heaven could only happen after He had conquered every enemy of righteousness. Jesus taught in John 11:25, saying, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."

This is speaking of the resurrection life that can be enjoyed in this life through faith.

• Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled every lofty demand that the law required Him to achieve.
• He achieved every demand that His Father demanded off Him.
• He satisfied every demand justice required of Him.

He paid the penalty for your sin in full. Justice was satisfied. He took upon Himself your punishment. He stood in your stead. The penalty has already been paid. Believers are no longer in condemnation.

Jesus testified in John 16:11: “the prince of this world is judged.”

The devil is already judged. He is not waiting to be judged. He is already been condemned to his eternal doom.

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die” (John 12:31-33).

Satan being cast out of heaven means his seat of accusation against believers before God is gone forever. He cannot accuse you before the throne of heaven anymore, because your penalty is fully paid. The only thing he can do is point the finger to you directly and hope that you are stupid enough to listen to him.

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 20:1-5 parallels Revelation 12: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

This is the authority Jesus secured through His resurrection. He cast Satan out of heaven and then restrained him with spiritual chains so that the Gospel could enlighten the nations. Satan's defeat came after the resurrection.

I can agree satan has already been judged. I have a hard time with that judgment having already been passed.

What do you believe is the release of satan at the end of that time?

You don't appear to be supporting Pre-Mil so I'm just trying to envision your take on it.

(see Chiliast's OP)

 

[Davy]

Revelation 20:4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is one of the most controversial verses in the entire bible and a lot of Christians believe that it has to be a future event because they believe that it's on the resurrection day. But according to Paul he stated three times that it was a current reality back in his day.

Here below are the three texts.

Ephesians
2:4-6
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

In the verses above Paul states that we were already made alive, raised up and seated with Christ in the heavenly realms.

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Once again Paul states that we have already been raised up with Christ.

Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

Finally in the verse above Paul states that we reign in life through Jesus.

All of these verses were a current reality while alive in the physical body almost two thousand years ago. If it was a reality back, then it is still a reality today.

Paul ties three events directly to Revelation 20:4 "that we have been made alive", "seated with Christ in the heavenly realms" and that "we reign (in life) through Jesus".

Why do so many Christians not accept this even though Paul declares it? Because they are focused on it being physical not spiritual. They focus on the physical because it mentions saints that were beheaded by the beast and the thousand years.

But let's let scripture interpret scripture. Paul teaches that its spiritual and what John is saying in Revelation 20:4 is that even though the saints are beheaded they still live and reign spiritually the soul doesn't die with the body. It's a promise even though you may die for Jesus you will still live and reign spiritually. The beast can kill the body but not the soul.

Thus, according to Paul we reign in life now and have been for almost two thousand years we are not limited to a literal thousand years God has a better longer plan.

This does not take away a future physical resurrection at the end of our world.

Don't listen to that Amillennialist baloney brethren. Christ's Kingdom is NOT HERE ON EARTH YET, and will not be until HE LITERALLY RETURNS TO THIS EARTH AS WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

Amillennial doctrine began in the 2nd century A.D., the same era when the pagan Gnostics started creeping into the Church and abused Christian doctrine by mixing it with LIES from Greek Neo-Platonism.

In NONE of Apostle Paul's Epistles was he proclaiming that Christ's future Kingdom had already come.


Rev 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
KJV

All one had to do to KNOW what timing that Revelation 20 Scripture is about was to simply keep reading there through verse 5, which shows that is to happen AFTER the FUTURE RESURRECTION! Just when... does the future resurrection happen? It happens with Christ's FUTURE LITERAL RETURN to this earth per Acts 1 and Zechariah 14!

But the Amillennialist liars only pull single verses out of The Bible to TRY... and trick you with! And it's VERY obvious they are telling LIES easy to see for those who actually READ their Bible!

 

[GEN2REV]

In NONE of Apostle Paul's Epistles was he proclaiming that Christ's future Kingdom had already come.

Do you really want to take on the Scriptures of Christ preaching the kingdom come and who the kingdom belonged to already at that time?

 

[WPM]

I can agree satan has already been judged. I have a hard time with that judgment having already been passed.

What do you believe is the release of satan at the end of that time?

You don't appear to be supporting Pre-Mil so I'm just trying to envision your take on it.

(see Chiliast's OP)

I am Amil.

Satan is already judged. Jesus tells us in John 16:11: "the prince of this world is judged." His fate is sealed. He has already been sentenced. His punishment has been irrevocably determined. He cannot repent. It is a done deal!

Jesus makes clear in Matthew 25:41 that “everlasting fire” is already “prepared for the devil and his angels.”

His eternal abode is the Lake of Fire. He's just awaiting his final committal to it. Revelation 20:10 verifies: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

 

[Marty fox]

Don't listen to that Amillennialist baloney brethren. Christ's Kingdom is NOT HERE ON EARTH YET, and will not be until HE LITERALLY RETURNS TO THIS EARTH AS WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

Amillennial doctrine began in the 2nd century A.D., the same era when the pagan Gnostics started creeping into the Church and abused Christian doctrine by mixing it with LIES from Greek Neo-Platonism.

In NONE of Apostle Paul's Epistles was he proclaiming that Christ's future Kingdom had already come.


Rev 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
KJV

All one had to do to KNOW what timing that Revelation 20 Scripture is about was to simply keep reading there through verse 5, which shows that is to happen AFTER the FUTURE RESURRECTION! Just when... does the future resurrection happen? It happens with Christ's FUTURE LITERAL RETURN to this earth per Acts 1 and Zechariah 14!

But the Amillennialist liars only pull single verses out of The Bible to TRY... and trick you with! And it's VERY obvious they are telling LIES easy to see for those who actually READ their Bible!

Like this one?

Matthew 11:12
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.

Is that a lie and not reading my Bible?

 

[Marty fox]

Don't listen to that Amillennialist baloney brethren. Christ's Kingdom is NOT HERE ON EARTH YET, and will not be until HE LITERALLY RETURNS TO THIS EARTH AS WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

Amillennial doctrine began in the 2nd century A.D., the same era when the pagan Gnostics started creeping into the Church and abused Christian doctrine by mixing it with LIES from Greek Neo-Platonism.

In NONE of Apostle Paul's Epistles was he proclaiming that Christ's future Kingdom had already come.


Rev 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
KJV

All one had to do to KNOW what timing that Revelation 20 Scripture is about was to simply keep reading there through verse 5, which shows that is to happen AFTER the FUTURE RESURRECTION! Just when... does the future resurrection happen? It happens with Christ's FUTURE LITERAL RETURN to this earth per Acts 1 and Zechariah 14!

But the Amillennialist liars only pull single verses out of The Bible to TRY... and trick you with! And it's VERY obvious they are telling LIES easy to see for those who actually READ their Bible!

All verse 5 says is that the rest of the dead are raised after the thousand year.

 

[Davy]

Like this one?

Matthew 11:12
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.

Is that a lie and not reading my Bible?

Matt 11:12-13
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
KJV

I don't think you actually know what Christ's subject there is about with those 'violent' ones who TRY to take the Kingdom of Heaven by force.

Did you not know that some of the Occult Initiate Fraternities teach their members to do astral projection, to leave their flesh bodies and appear on an astral plane to receive higher occult teachings from what they call the Great White Brotherhood? In other words, the occultist deal with 'familiar spirits'.

And it is those... who TRY to take Heaven by force, thinking to go around God's backdoor. But He is not going to allow that, but deceives their strategy.

That is what eastern religions teach also, which is their reason for doing their 'brand' of meditation.

Now if you don't believe that kind of stuff is going on today, then it shows your mind is stuck in your fleshy reasoning, and you really don't understand that there's another dimension of existence involving Spirit that we cannot see today.

 

[WPM]

Don't listen to that Amillennialist baloney brethren. Christ's Kingdom is NOT HERE ON EARTH YET, and will not be until HE LITERALLY RETURNS TO THIS EARTH AS WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

Amillennial doctrine began in the 2nd century A.D., the same era when the pagan Gnostics started creeping into the Church and abused Christian doctrine by mixing it with LIES from Greek Neo-Platonism.

In NONE of Apostle Paul's Epistles was he proclaiming that Christ's future Kingdom had already come.


Rev 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
KJV

All one had to do to KNOW what timing that Revelation 20 Scripture is about was to simply keep reading there through verse 5, which shows that is to happen AFTER the FUTURE RESURRECTION! Just when... does the future resurrection happen? It happens with Christ's FUTURE LITERAL RETURN to this earth per Acts 1 and Zechariah 14!

But the Amillennialist liars only pull single verses out of The Bible to TRY... and trick you with! And it's VERY obvious they are telling LIES easy to see for those who actually READ their Bible!

I would suggest you study your Bible first before running your mouth off like this.

Jesus said in Luke 17:21: “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”

The kingdom of God exists wherever the king – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His spiritual jurisdiction. It is a spiritual kingdom and incorporates the whole domain over-which the Lord Jesus Christ exercises His divine kingship, dominion and intimate rule. It relates to all those who belong to His body. His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are real believers. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that kingdom.

The Lord revealed in this passage that the kingdom of God – His kingdom – was not a literal earthly domain neither could it be viewed like other kingdoms with their outward splendor, impressive power and magnitude. It is, rather, a spiritual kingdom, which can only be spiritually entered.

Jesus said in John 18:36, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

Christ couldn’t have made it clearer. This expectation – of a literal visible territorial political kingdom – was wrong. It exposed the ignorance which controlled the Jews. They had a defective perception of the nature of God’s kingdom and the manner in which it would appear.

The kingdom of God that Christ introduced was of a spiritual nature. This absolutely confounded the Pharisees and their misguided earthly carnal concept of the Messianic kingdom.

Colossians 1:18 says, “And he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church.”

That means if you have given Christ kingship of your life then you are in the kingdom of God and the kingdom of God is in you!

Have you invited king Jesus into your heart? Then the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus said in Matthew 6:33: “seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”

As an American citizen you owe your allegiance to the American flag. But there is a higher allegiance. That is to Christ, because He is your King. The kingdom of God overrides every earthly kingdom. You are a Christian 1st, and an American 2nd.

When someone gets saved they enter into the kingdom of God, which is a spiritual kingdom and incorporates the whole domain over-which the Lord Jesus Christ exercises spiritual control. This kingship refers to the whole realm in which the rule of man becomes the rule of God; it is the area where the law of God and of righteousness are pre-eminent.

In John 3:3 Jesus declared: “Except a man be born again (or born from above), he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

We experience the kingdom of God through supernatural birth from above whereby we are supernaturally changed from a child of darkness to a child of God. Be assured, we cannot change ourselves. It must be a new birth.

Jesus continues in John 3:5, “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

One can only “see” and “enter” the kingdom of God by grace through faith. None of us can earn it. None of us deserve it. Before you pat yourself on the back, remember even faith is a gift from God.

 

[Davy]

All verse 5 says is that the rest of the dead are raised after the thousand year.

Revelation 20:4-6 go together about the same subject of the resurrection timing, and I'm pretty sure you well know it. If you try to push, "This is the first resurrection" being about those "dead" instead of those of verse 4, then your whole system of English grammar drops to the floor. Even verse 6 is pointing back to those of verse 4 being that 'first resurrection'.


Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

 

[GEN2REV]

I am Amil.

So am I.

Satan is already judged.
He's just awaiting his final committal to it.

This is what I was referring to was his sentence being carried out.

You stated in the OP of your thread about Chiliasm:

· Satan and his demons will be destroyed at the second coming.

25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

That hasn't happened yet.

Not sure you answered my question about what the passage refers to about releasing him for a time.

Not arguing with you at all, just wondered what you thought about this part of the passage.

Any thoughts?

 

[Davy]

So am I.

This is what I was referring to was his sentence being carried out.

You stated in the OP of your thread about Chiliasm:

That hasn't happened yet.

Not sure you answered my question about what the passage refers to about releasing him for a time.

Not arguing with you at all, just wondered what you thought about this part of the passage.

Any thoughts?

Try reading Revelation 20 instead of just throwing it away. Satan is NOT destroyed at Christs future coming. Jesus WILL REIGN A THOUSAND YEARS over the nations with His elect like that Chapter says, and then Satan will be loosed to tempt them one final time, and then destroyed, AS WRITTEN THERE.

 

[WPM]

Matt 11:12-13
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
KJV

I don't think you actually know what Christ's subject there is about with those 'violent' ones who TRY to take the Kingdom of Heaven by force.

Did you not know that some of the Occult Initiate Fraternities teach their members to do astral projection, to leave their flesh bodies and appear on an astral plane to receive higher occult teachings from what they call the Great White Brotherhood? In other words, the occultist deal with 'familiar spirits'.

And it is those... who TRY to take Heaven by force, thinking to go around God's backdoor. But He is not going to allow that, but deceives their strategy.

That is what eastern religions teach also, which is their reason for doing their 'brand' of meditation.

Now if you don't believe that kind of stuff is going on today, then it shows your mind is stuck in your fleshy reasoning, and you really don't understand that there's another dimension of existence involving Spirit that we cannot see today.

What are you talking about?

The king has already introduced His kingdom to planet earth. Wherever you find the king, you find the kingdom. Christ ushered in the kingdom of God when He came. Jesus said in Matthew 11:12, “from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth (biazo) violence, and the (biastes) violent take it by force.”

Jesus said, in Luke 16:16, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man (biazo) presseth into it.”

We should immediately note: for men to be able to press into the kingdom and for it to suffer violence it must already exist. The Greek word biazo here means to force, to crowd oneself into, or to seize. The kingdom of God is shown here to be a present reality that the righteous enter upon salvation. This has been the case since John the Baptist. The spiritual kingdom Christ brought was very-much alive and active from the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.

Sadly, the overwhelming majority of Jews missed their promised Messiah when He came. He just didn’t fit their expectation of who and what the Messiah was to be. Also, they had an erroneous political racial perception of what the kingdom was. They had a carnal earthly view of Messiah and His kingdom. They believed that the first thing He would do was subjugate all national Israel’s enemies, starting with the Romans. When Christ appeared at His first advent, the Jews imagined He would reinstate the now defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the physical nation, restoring their ancient borders. The only problem was: they had a defective hyper-literalist understanding of Old Testament prophesies and a misconception of how the kingdom would look.

Matthew 3:1-2 records, “In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken or ‘is made near’ or ‘approaches’).”

Matthew 4:12, 17 records, “when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee…From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken).”

Mark 1:14-15 records, “Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (or eengiken).”

Jesus told the disciples as the kingdom advances, “And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken)” (Matthew 10:7).

The kingdom of God exists wherever the king – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His spiritual jurisdiction. His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are born-again of the Spirit of God. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that Kingdom.

 

[GEN2REV]

Try reading Revelation 20 instead of just throwing it away. Satan is NOT destroyed at Christs future coming. Jesus WILL REIGN A THOUSAND YEARS over the nations with His elect like that Chapter says, and then Satan will be loosed to tempt them one final time, and then destroyed, AS WRITTEN THERE.

I've never thrown a single letter of Scripture away.

Satan most certainly IS destroyed at Christ's Second Coming.
1 Corinthians 15:23-27
Isaiah 13:11

Christ is reigning now and will reign until He puts all enemies under His feet.
1 Corinthians 15:25

 

[WPM]

So am I.

This is what I was referring to was his sentence being carried out.

You stated in the OP of your thread about Chiliasm:

25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

That hasn't happened yet.

Not sure you answered my question about what the passage refers to about releasing him for a time.

Not arguing with you at all, just wondered what you thought about this part of the passage.

Any thoughts?

He is currently in a temporary spiritual prison (the abyss) under spiritual restraints. He will be released prior to the end. He will then receive his eternal imprisonment when Jesus comes (the Lake of Fire).