Not at all the same thing.
If I tell you "don't swing at a pitch in the dirt" -- a matter the Bible is silent on (baseball wasn't invented yet) -- are you going to swing away at such pitches because of lack of a Biblical command to not do so?
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If I tell you "don't swing at a pitch in the dirt" -- a matter the Bible is silent on (baseball wasn't invented yet) -- are you going to swing away at such pitches because of lack of a Biblical command to not do so?
"I won't be offended by an answer which is "unBiblical" in the sense of not being found in the Bible. If his answer is "unBiblical" in the sense of being contradicted by the Bible, that's a different matter."
Yeah, it's the same thing. We're talking about God's Word, the Bible, not baseball. But it is quite revealing how you are defending some of the most bizarre AntiChrist comments I have read here.
I'm defending the Christian Bible and the lives of MILLIONS of babies. What are you defending, Matt who tries to SLAUGHTER the Christian Bible at nearly every opportunity?
My desire to make Gods name known. YHVH, YHWH, either one those I’m fine with. YaHaVaH, is what I tend to call my Father in Heaven, who was Jesus’ Father while he was on Earth. Yahavah is spirit, fire, and love. And that is the gist of my answer Redfan. Does it matter to you personally if you desire to also choose to call Yahavah by that name, some say Yahweh, some say Jehovah?
No worries. Just trying to understand . . . God's name isn't something I ever tend to use.
Here is a slightly tongue-in-cheek version of Exodus 3:13-14:
But Moses said to God, ‘If I come to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,” and they ask me, “What is his name?” what shall I say to them?’
God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM – and just exactly Who that is is none of your business! You humans use proper names because there are many of you, and it’s how you distinguish yourselves one from another. But there is only one God – ME! So why on earth (or in heaven, for that matter) would I need a proper name?’
Moses replied, ‘Point taken. But I still have to tell them something.’
God replied, ‘Just say “I AM has sent me to you.” I’ll take it from there.’
Bill Judson
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At least you are being honest about your intention to discourage believers from believing God's Word.
This shows that you are of your father the devil and his works you will continue doing.
I hope you repent and get right with the Lord someday.
Just remember, those that know the Lord know who and what you are and they are ignoring you
because they are anointed of the Lord to not allow devils to talk them out of believing God's Word.
That's what the devil did in the garden of eden and that's what him and his agents are doing today
Surely he would have said his name, who is I am?
Exodus 6:3 American Standard Version (ASV)and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.
It just a general question.
Psalms 105:1-11
1 Give praise to the LORD, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.
What is the name of the LORD, it always comes back to YHWH, or YHVH.
Good. I’m a demon to you I guess? If you say so. Lots of weird people with strange beliefs on the internet isn’t there. To some I’m deemed a heretic and a no good. Perhaps it’s the Christ in me and standing up for Him, that lets people to continue to know that Bible was not written to them, however it was written for their benefit, spiritually to see where they are walking with the true and living Yahavah.
Ronald David Bruno
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I don't hate you because I critique your views. So you are sensitive, going through life with this delusion and self conscious threat that if people disagree with you, "people be hating".
Then much of the Bible concerning death, destruction, perishing, Hades, the Lake of Fire, judgment, wrath, outer darkness, etc., would not be there. Jesus was very serious about the consequences of sin and IF you do not believe in Him.
It is Life for those who believe and DEATH for those who don't. And at your physical death, your fate is sealed, ( that is from our point of view). From God's point of view, He knew your destiny when He wrote your name in the Book of Life, before the foundation of the world.
That is true. We need to examine the scriptures, test what everyone says and we do. However, some folks disregard age-lasting judgment, ( as in death), the Lake of Fire and only choose to receive the pleasant stuff, love, heaven, salvation witha cherry on top. It is wonderful.
But it begs the question: What are we saved from if not death? Death is the final, utter destruction of the individual, the opposite of life. But You and people like Shawn ( Universalists) are redefining the definition. That makes Jesus into a liar, because He gave us an either or outcome, believe in Him and this will happen, disbelieve and death will happen. I think He was cut and dry.
WE ARE SAVED FROM THE WAGES OF SIN = DEATH.
Sounds like a sign that maybe you should steer away from Shawn, scrap just some of your views and join an orthodox Bible study.
There you go again. There is no hate or condemnation in my posts. You believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose on the third day, right. You just need correction. People follow false teachers. It doesn't mean they are damned, just maybe ineffective in their service to God. Shawn misled you and you intern might mislead a new believer.
This is one Bible verse specially written to you!
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Matt. 5:22
I think we are done here.
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It’s not that you critique my view. It’s just you do not really properly understand it. You claim it’s because I’m sensitive and a sissy which is why I do not have the desire to debate you. People are hating of differing views. It’s also for me to point out, you do not fully understand or know what I believe or why I believe the way that I do. It’s unfruitful to waste time in debates where no one is going to change their mind. I don’t mind you disagreeing. People have been harping and hating (poking, prodding) just a little bit on me lately, perhaps not you personally because I have not seen you around all that often but it’s good to see you. Sometimes when reading post it just the same rhetoric, and name calling, wiggle waffle bullhockey, I just do not desire to go through.
Death is overcame. Destruction and ruin came upon Israel. Judgement of those in, hell, and the brazen sea, came out and where judged. Hell and Death were done away with, into the lake of fire, and so was the devil, his (chained in darkness) angels, the false prophet, and the beast, into the eternal fire of God and done away with. Wrath was taken out of Israel as the judgement upon them for killing the Son of God. Those mentions are won over by the Lord Jesus Christ, and no one else.
It’s a cost for separation from Yahavah. It’s understandable, and made plain across the good news. The great news is, there is a kingdom now sat up, and people go into it being with Yahavah and the Lamb, but there is also an outside which the 12 gates around the kingdom never close out. And to me, maybe there is hope for those one the outside.
From my belief its instant with your judgement and resurrection.
There are three resurrections,
The resurrection of condemnation,
The resurrection of life,
The resurrection that is better than the normal.
I really do not believe that I am totally concerned with my name being written in the book of life; for some reason I believe that is pertaining to those who were of the 12 tribes, I am not so sure my name was included before the founding of the world but I am sure that Yahavah is a good God and he will judge right, just, considering, and will resurrect all giving all differing glories upon how Yahavah chooses to do so by giving you your new spiritually body after this life. I don’t worry or even think about my name being in the book of life. My outlook is to continue to believe and having faith worshiping Yahavah in spirit and in truth. To love God first with all my heart, my mind, my will, and my strength and to love other people as myself and to be looked at strangely for some of my beliefs which are nothing new.
I don’t believe in universalism.
Examine oneself and check and see you are being faithful towards Yahavah and are reacting by the Holy Spirit in love and mindfulness of the other individual.
Not sure what this is pertaining to. Death was conquered over. All people will rise because of the Lord Jesus. The Lake of fire, is Fire that comes from Yahavah, in front of the Lamb and the angels. There are people who have a part in that fire but it’s not forever. It’s only a portion they are given within it, does not ever say the people who went into the lake of fire were there forever and ever.
The hope is to be able to go to be with the family of believers in the Heavenly Jerusalem which is what all people who believe in the death burial and resurrection, have hope not only for themselves but for their lost loved ones whom have passed away here. There is hope in overcoming the bondage of sin, and live more in the spirit than the flesh itself and the old man pitting it in the grave with Jesus and rising again with him.
All on behalf of Jesus Christ, all are now today saved from “Gods wrath which was apart of the great tribulation; for the generation which was spoke of by Jesus came to an abrupt ending.” All today have had their sins paid for. Jesus either or did not take away the sins of the world. All today are saved from Death, all will be risen because of Jesus. All are saved from Hell, Satan, the grave.
With this all people are saved from hell, Satan, the grave, Gods wrath (the cup has been poured out, on Israel in 70Ad).
Not everyone though is saved to the Kingdom : which is of course is by faith.
Death. It comes and no one comes back afterwards any more. You can cause death to one soul by feeding it junk and garbage. That is why the renewing of the mind is needed and the mind of Christ. Jesus overcame Death, and Hades and Death are done away with now.
Shawn is not a universalist. I’m not a universalist. There is only way to the Father and that is through Christ Jesus.
Not sure he was talking directly to you Ronald.
Jesus paid that Death. One’s on sins can destroy one’s own soul. Be careful. They are taken care of and paid for ; when one chooses to do with knowledge of how humiliating it was to see Yeshua suffer and be beat and not desire to go through with dying. He did so. Not an easy feature me to say “hey I’ll go die for you.”
Not interested. While you may be part of orthodox Bible study and I can respect that, right now just not interested in learning what they believe. The best Bible study in my opinion is one where you go chapter by chapter and verse by verse and give your audience and introducing the course material in a introductory will also help, because it’s just great information as long you can continue to help people grow, and most of all grow in spirit and in faith, and in knowledge if possible, to continue to encourage.
My apologies, I did not read the entire post. Yahavah will correct me by the spirit, to be able to love, properly.
Sure, there are false teachers that you become their slave become one their cult. Where there is no freedom in the spirit but only bondage to man. The only one to follow is Yeshua, and to pray and call out to the Father in heaven and to never believe or listen to men; you can hear them out but only consider what is said and search it out for oneself. That’s some encouragement.
I disagree, and that person you mention is just someone I would consider a friend. People shouldn’t be worried about person affecting any believer, if one is going to go on their feelings. When it come down to the brass tax: to some degree or another one can’t have their “feelings” in a commandment to love God first… it’s not I don’t feel like it today, it’s to love God first, always putting him first.
Maybe I went too far.
MA2444
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Scripture is not of your interpretation. Scripture must interpret scripture.
I asked you if you wanted the scripitures posted and you ignored that.
We're not up to that yet anyway. You started the thread and asked the question, then I have been asking repeatedly for you substantiate it in the least. Which you have not.
I'll let you substantiate your claim, and then I will post for you a bunch of scriptures. You've repeatedly rejected the Chrisyian Bible so why should I even waste my time with you?
MA2444
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Really? Ok, for the 5th time I ask you, can you help me understand it? Tell me what you know besides your conclusion! Please. What is your basis for your assumption? Shawn said? Lol!
MA2444
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He was just someone who helped me out in understanding more about the audience concerning the Bible. I do no worship him. He is just a friend, and a person who I needed to really stand up and to continue in not only my own research but also see what maybe I never heard of before, and considered. He was someone who always stated off with a prayer before and after lessons, always been a person in which encourages people no to believe him, and to seek out the truth for themselves and to test and challenge not only him but others pastors and things of that nature. I never had a dad, this guy is and still is a brother to me in Christ, who I needed to learn more information about the Lord and over the past several years I learned a good bit, I need to restart making my own lessons again for future videos.
The Bible is not written to you. You can’t find a scripture that says “and every generation from then on submit to everything written in this book.” There was a generation which Jesus spoke of in his time which would be the end of their generation along with the twelve tribes of Israel for putting the Son of God, Son of Man to death.
MA2444
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I think it means a bit more than that. The scriptures were dictated to the authors, every yot and tittle. Even the spaces. Havent you ever heard about the Bible Codes? Since the advent of deep thinking computers they have found a lot of hidden messages within the text. Different kinds of codes.
They dont figure that stuff out by using the translations, they use the original text. One type of code is an equidistance letter code where you take evey 7th letter or every 49th letter (or whatever the number) and go through the text writing down one letter at a time. And it spells stuff out. Now you couldnt do that with a KJV bible. But you can do it from the scrolls.
You cant use that type of code without exact dictation of the text or the message would be lost. There's lots of info about this out there.
That is inspired. That the 40 different authors who wrote it down did it "Exactly" how God wanted it. Well call that dictation!
I didn't see your rebuking or correcting Matt who constantly attacks the Christian Bible, like Satan would do.
Isn’t that just reminding Timothy of the usefulness of the Old Testament concerning now in the light of the the Lord Yeshua? He would share the stories of Israel and Yahavah and their journey to Egypt and being pulled out, and so and so forth now revealing the Lord Yeshua in the picture and his overcoming, and how now people are able to overcome by the teachings founded within them by the holy spirit and spirit of Christ. It’s not talking about the Gospels or the Letters is it?
“Especially when he (Timothy) is going to Crete; whom are deemed by their own prophet they are lazy gluttonous”
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