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Hail Marry Full of Grace the Lord is with you.
Full of Grace ! ?

Only two people in the Bible who are Full of Grace, Marry and Nathaniel.
Mary is without Sin, not under the power of Sin just like any true Saint.
When people love to play the Satanic card making out that Mary is just another Slut or whore like all women are claimed to be by such people, you do dis service to Jesus.
Jesus was born to incorruptible seed and Mary came down the Judah line and all, as it is written, and many a Judah Woman had such a hope back in the days.

Many people on this forum idolise the Jews as the hope for the world, well there you go I have just pointed one out to you for a fact, so go and embrace her for crying out loud she was Blessed by God ! not some idiot so called Jew who rejects Salvation for a wannabe gods.

But sadly many do not embrace her because they reject Jesus Christ in fact, because you hate Her or look down on her as nothing at all but a incubator, typically Satanic. no wonder people worship Moloch like god nowadays abortion on demand is the greatest murdering, not to mention biggest killer by far in the world and most are happy with such in our lives but hey guns are killers as well, I wonder what the facts of percentage rate is of people shot to aborted is, 2 to 1 maybe one may think, well I know it's more than 100 to 1 but you know what it's more than 1000 to 1 what does that say about society we live in and how women are abused not to mention abusing themselves.
No wonder Marry is just cast aside as trash.

Just remember I am not idolising Marry as some idiot RC do, but she has a place in the Bible and is a Saint and is a great roll model for women for sure.
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Master Yoda, Luke said; is the darkside stronger ?
Yoda; No no no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

Fear is the path to the dark side, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
Beware the darkside, it'll get you drunk !

" When you look at the darkside, be careful you must be. for the darkside looks back".

Do or do not, there is no try.


That sounds like something the catholic church members have been conditioned to recite. But this is what the scriptures say.


Luke 1:28 (KJV)
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.


Nothing about having the grace of God from her mother's womb. But technically, you are correct, but not the way you think. Anyone can and have received God's grace. Even the people of Nineveh received God's grace when they repented of the sins they were committing. God letting the wicked live is God's grace upon them. The Father sending His Son to die for mankind is God's grace upon all human beings.
 
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Who exactly said this on this forum?

I give you the answer: Nobody.
It's implied that she was a nobody all the time and just a regular sinner just like anyone else, prots always are hammering away at her, mention her and they go nuts and love to bastardise the true Catholic position on her, but from what I see is that prots are correct about what most roman Catholics do, as in regards to Mary. only fools pray to Mary.

Mary is not just like everyone else on that level, she is above that, she is a Saint for crying out loud not a regular Jo blow, who God just happened to do the deal.
 

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That sounds like something the catholic church members have been conditioned to recite. But this is what the scriptures say.


Luke 1:28 (KJV)
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.


Nothing about having the grace of God from her mother's womb. But technically, you are correct, but not the way you think. Anyone can and have received God's grace. Even the people of Nineveh received God's grace when they repented of the sins they were committing. God letting the wicked live is God's grace upon them. The Father sending His Son to die for mankind is God's grace upon all human beings.
Rubbish, the Nineveh never received God's Grace, they received the word but not Grace at all, because no one received Grace until Jesus went to Heaven.

No only Baptised Christians can receive Gods Grace.
 

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Who on this forum?

The only hope for this world is Jesus Christ, and I don't think any Christian on this forum would disagree with this.

Where do you get your crazy ideas from?

I will not even comment on the rest of your post.
There's no use.
Anyone who thinks that the Jews are or that the State claiming to be Israel, is idolatry and such are being led astray by Satan, the people who look to the end of times thinking that the So called Jews are going to save them, such is outright attack on Jesus Christ.

The State of Israel is a worldly con job, even the truly educated devout Jews say it is not Israel at all.

Most are living in a fantasy world if they think that there is anything beyond Jesus Christ that you need and if one thinks they need the so called Jews you must be off your rocker or Cursed.
No Jew ever did jack for Jesus back in the day so why would they now, it was only the Prophets and the People who had faith in God that were of any worth as to Gods People.
Anyone who thinks that something is going to be added to the Bible as if there is going to be a 3rd testament, are of Satan.

Oh abortions on demand up to 9 months old is no an issue, I think it's the most pathetic generation ever in the history of the world, such makes us worse than Hitler and people reject that reality, turning a blind eye works wonders.

Crazy ideas, I can see through the lies that are of mans Sin.
I put Yoda up as it does hold a truth about the darkness of man, don't you agree Yoda has a point as to that. or did it scare you, the bit about it looks back. ha ha
 

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Rubbish, the Nineveh never received God's Grace, they received the word but not Grace at all, because no one received Grace until Jesus went to Heaven.

No only Baptised Christians can receive Gods Grace.

Not true, God showed grace before Jesus was even born.

Here's an example:

Do you know that grace means favor? The same thing that the angels told Mary.

Noah found grace in God's eyes.

Genesis 6:8 (KJV)
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Grace: ḥēn - graciousness, i.e. subjectively(kindness, favor) or objective (beauty) :- favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.


Luke 1:28 (KJV)
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Favoured: charitoō - (charis); to grace, i.e. indue with special honor :- make accepted, be highly favoured.

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God showed grace or mercy on the people of Nineveh



Because of the wickedness of the people of Nineveh, God sent Jonah to them.


Jonah 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.


The people of Nineveh took heed and repented.

Jonah 3:5-9 (KJV)
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?


God showed mercy on the people of Nineveh

Jonah 3:10

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


But Jonah was not happy....he wanted God to destroy the city.

Jonah 4:1-2 (KJV)
1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
2 And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.


God asked Jonah why was he angry

Jonah 4:4 (KJV)
4 Then said the LORD, Doest thou well to be angry?


God caused a plant to grow up overnight to provide shade for Jonah


Jonah 4:6 (KJV)
6 And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.


Jonah had more pity for the plant that withered as quickly as it came up

Jonah 4:7-9

7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.
8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.


God asked Jonah, "should I not spare Nineveh?"


Jonah 4:10
10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?


God has the right to show mercy on whomever He please, and He does that to those who as God said, they don't know their right hand from their left. Meaning, they didn't know the difference between right from wrong.

It is those who knew better but didn't do better that God will condemn the most. To whom much is given, much more is required than those who were given less.

Luke 12:47-48 (ASV)
47 And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes;
48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.
 
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Who mentioned this?
Where did this come into the discussion?
I'm starting to think that you have a severe problem.
Who are you hanging around with?

Go to a Bible believing Church.

Good wisdom, wise words.
 

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I think some people just join Christian Sites so that they can just 'rant'.
 

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Who mentioned this?
Where did this come into the discussion?
I'm starting to think that you have a severe problem.
Who are you hanging around with?

Go to a Bible believing Church.
You just dismissed it. read your post what you said, that what I said was not worthy of comment, to you.

A Bible believing church, come off it, their is more to it than just bible believing, I have heard the comment before from fools who can be claiming just about anything.

It's the Holy Spirit you should be in touch with you know and Jesus is the Christ, not satanic make believe rubbish that is twisted around like the Jews being gods people, that is a madness that only works to try to undermine Jesus Christ, just remember boy if a Jew accepts Jesus Christ bingo ! that's where it's all at, the Jews at the time rejected Jesus, apart form the few that we know, they got the message, did you not know that.

I get sick of morons looking for another jesus, the Jews have nothing to offer at all, you must look to Jesus Christ only because all other is idol worship.

Just remember there is no Jesus Christ plus adding on to.

Most if not all churches are money making business first and foremost and then comes the spinning BS trying to miss lead you down stupid paths like Jew worship etc etc they have a nice fluffy jesus a lukewarm jesus because they themselves are lukewarm and that's why the churches are failing because it's not Jesus Christ they preach, but if it was then the churches would be full nowadays.

No the problem is gutless worldly un born again people who try to push people out of the church or forums, because they don't like people who will catch them out, so they try all the dirty tricks they can, like you are doing and ByGrace is doing.
You don't like me so this is the game play you deal up, just like they who tried to undermine Jesus, I know your workings and that's why you are running scared, so you use your cunning works to try to kick me out, so you can miss lead others for your worldly pursuits.

Triumph if you want to have a go have a go, just don't disregard what I say an play on filth like slandering me with rubbish like claiming i have a server problem, I am sure that's what they said to Jesus did you know that was the message the Jews were dealing up, did you ! Look at old ByGrace into it all boots and all kicking away, it's because she fears me, like I pointed out about Yoda and the darkside and you two can't pick up on it because you fear to talk about it so you play your games and dismiss it.
Are you good enough to take me on, your not and that's why you just play the dismissing game, bring it on if you can and follow up on all that I say if you can be a man about it.
 

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I think some people just join Christian Sites so that they can just 'rant'.
I caught you out on your Gay preacher and his worldly Satanic trash, you were trying to mislead people with that trash and all you can do is make claim that who ever point's such things are not biblical at all, as one who is ranting.
Fact is Jesus Christ was seen as ranting as well, by people like you and that's why they wanted to get rid of him.
Grow up ByGrace and try to live under Grace for once in your life. you are a typical religious bigot.
 

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Not true, God showed grace before Jesus was even born.

Here's an example:

Do you know that grace means favor? The same thing that the angels told Mary.

Noah found grace in God's eyes.

Genesis 6:8 (KJV)
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Grace: ḥēn - graciousness, i.e. subjectively(kindness, favor) or objective (beauty) :- favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.


Luke 1:28 (KJV)
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Favoured: charitoō - (charis); to grace, i.e. indue with special honor :- make accepted, be highly favoured.

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God showed grace or mercy on the people of Nineveh



Because of the wickedness of the people of Nineveh, God sent Jonah to them.


Jonah 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.


The people of Nineveh took heed and repented.

Jonah 3:5-9 (KJV)
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?


God showed mercy on the people of Nineveh

Jonah 3:10

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


But Jonah was not happy....he wanted God to destroy the city.

Jonah 4:1-2 (KJV)
1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
2 And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.


God asked Jonah why was he angry

Jonah 4:4 (KJV)
4 Then said the LORD, Doest thou well to be angry?


God caused a plant to grow up overnight to provide shade for Jonah


Jonah 4:6 (KJV)
6 And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.


Jonah had more pity for the plant that withered as quickly as it came up

Jonah 4:7-9

7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.
8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.


God asked Jonah, "should I not spare Nineveh?"


Jonah 4:10
10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?


God has the right to show mercy on whomever He please, and He does that to those who as God said, they don't know their right hand from their left. Meaning, they didn't know the difference between right from wrong.

It is those who knew better but didn't do better that God will condemn the most. To whom much is given, much more is required than those who were given less.

Luke 12:47-48 (ASV)
47 And that servant, who knew his lord's will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes;
48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.
Wrong ! Grace was not in effect until Jesus came and went to Heaven.

The grace you are on about is not the same thing at all.

God showed grace but the people did not know it and were not under it at all.

The Truly Born again of the Holy Spirit are under Grace.

Under Christianity such are under Grace because Jesus is their King, take that away and you have destroyed Grace and are then under the Letter of the Law and that is the path that the new age Satanist are leading our Nations down nowadays, and idolising Jews and all the stupid worldly idolatry BS they big note themselves with and such people will only enslave all under Marxist Devils.
 

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Wrong ! Grace was not in effect until Jesus came and went to Heaven.

The grace you are on about is not the same thing at all.

God showed grace but the people did not know it and were not under it at all.

The Truly Born again of the Holy Spirit are under Grace.

Under Christianity such are under Grace because Jesus is their King, take that away and you have destroyed Grace and are then under the Letter of the Law and that is the path that the new age Satanist are leading our Nations down nowadays, and idolising Jews and all the stupid worldly idolatry BS they big note themselves with and such people will only enslave all under Marxist Devils.

So you disagree with the scriptures that I presented. If there was no grace back then, individuals like Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David and Noah would not be called righteous and Jesus wouldn't have said they will be in the kingdom of God with Him. It wasn't offered to everyone, but nevertheless, it was there for those who God chosed to give it to. But not only that, grace will be offered to all those who lived and died, but didn't recieve it when they were alive.
 
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So you disagree with the scriptures that I presented. If there was no grace back then, individuals like Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David and Noah would not be called righteous and Jesus wouldn't have said they will be in the kingdom of God with Him. It wasn't offered to everyone, but nevertheless, it was there for those who God chosed to give it to.
They were righteous and blessed by God and as you have said the others were not.

Grace you are talking about is not the same Grace we are under in Christ.

Jesus was always their in the beginning and will be in the end as he is the Holy Spirit, but such was not accomplished until people could understand him truly.

Even Holy Mosses did not understand the fullness of the concept of Grace or he would of, they were under the Law, grace does not abound under the Law. the Law is now under Grace in Jesus Christ, it's under Grace, the Law can not trump Grace, but the Law was and Grace does not abound under the Law, so you see the Grace under Jesus Christ is not the same thing as in the OT. it's not in fullness.
Even Holy Moses did not go to heaven till Jesus came for him and the OT Saints, they knew God but not Salvation.
 

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They were righteous and blessed by God and as you have said the others were not.

Grace you are talking about is not the same Grace we are under in Christ.

Jesus was always their in the beginning and will be in the end as he is the Holy Spirit, but such was not accomplished until people could understand him truly.

Even Holy Mosses did not understand the fullness of the concept of Grace or he would of, they were under the Law, grace does not abound under the Law. the Law is now under Grace in Jesus Christ, it's under Grace, the Law can not trump Grace, but the Law was and Grace does not abound under the Law, so you see the Grace under Jesus Christ is not the same thing as in the OT. it's not in fullness.
Even Holy Moses did not go to heaven till Jesus came for him and the OT Saints, they knew God but not Salvation.

Like I said, it will be given to all those in the second resurrection who have died but never got it while they were alive, not to mentioned all those who were born after Jesus rose from the grave but never heard the gospel of the kingdom of God or didn't believe it.
 

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So you disagree with the scriptures that I presented. If there was no grace back then, individuals like Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David and Noah would not be called righteous and Jesus wouldn't have said they will be in the kingdom of God with Him. It wasn't offered to everyone, but nevertheless, it was there for those who God chosed to give it to. But not only that, grace will be offered to all those who lived and died, but didn't recieve it when they were alive.

Agree.

Ex 33:17 "And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name."

I love that verse. "I know thee by name ".. :)
 

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Look at old ByGrace into it all boots and all kicking away, it's because she fears me, like I pointed out about Yoda and the darkside and you two can't pick up on it because you fear to talk about it so you play your games and dismiss it.
Are you good enough to take me on, your not and that's why you just play the dismissing game, bring it on if you can and follow up on all that I say if you can be a man about it.

Yes we'r scared of you. Lol.

Listen, buddy, I'm not here for the fighting part of it.
If you like fighting go to the protestant-catholic discussions.
They are good at it and you might fit in, but I doubt you'll be a winner.
 
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Yes we'r scared of you. Lol.

Listen, buddy, I'm not here for the fighting part of it.
If you like fighting go to the protestant-catholic discussions.
They are good at it and you might fit in, but I doubt you'll be a winner.
The point is that one try's to kick one out about talking about Jesus Christ and that's what you and bygrace is guilty of and that is a Sin.

You two are lacking Grace and Charity.

You two are just acting like bully's, if you have a problem debate me fully and don't just dismiss and claim I have a severe problem etc or cunning crap like playing them games not to mention such was evil attempt and such is a Sin to claim as you did, as it lacks charity and Grace.
bygrace dictated like some poor lost soul that she did not want to hear my opinion on a new age topic she brought up, how very Socialist casting people out of a debate and making me out to be an enemy of the State. oh yes I understand the works of such cunning how they dish it out when they can't cut it. She was attempting to undermine the Bible and elevate some Satanic socialist Politically Correct priest, much like a Serpent did with Eve. but in the end then repented realising she was on the wrong path due to others pointing out the folly. sadly that was due to a temptation to go with the flow of crowd trends, as she said the subject of Gay's is not going away so she played to that fiddle and turned away from God to follow in the ways of mans works.

I am a Ju Jitsu Sensei and I deal with people and the problem of human weakness all the time, as it is a foundation we deal with and what we do is strengthen their mind to deal with reality and it has nothing to do with being a winner at all.
Winning is a game sport, Jesus Christ is not a game at all and nor is Ju Jitsu it's all about reality and how to deal with such.
 

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Like I said, it will be given to all those in the second resurrection who have died but never got it while they were alive, not to mentioned all those who were born after Jesus rose from the grave but never heard the gospel of the kingdom of God or didn't believe it.
Nonsense !
Without Charity you are dead to the Holy Spirit and without Charity you do not posses the Kingdom of God or how can one understand Grace.

If you die without such your on Satan's side of the void.