If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[aspen]

Anyone putting their energy into judging and trying convert people by only looking at their false self is missing out on loving the person’s true self.

You can bang your head on a brickwall and get a better response than running around trying to reform everyone's false self and calling yourself a faithful servant

Won’t it be harsh when you watch all your hard work burn away in eternity? We are supposed to love people INSPITE OF their sins!

Reforming the false self is not our calling.

 

[aspen]

I disagree that criticizing Catholic practices is "anti-Catholic" - it's anti-Catholic doctrine, upon which their practices are founded.

I am considered anticatholic by BOL so as long as I am here, he has given himself permission to reform every false self he meets on the board and hammer the true into them.

 

[Helen]

So we are all so busy pointing the fingers , and can see so clearly all the faults and errors of the Catholics that 'need' straightening out, and the 'people' need much warning against.
BUT..
What about all the SDA adventist stuff that is false and error....and the threat being placed on those who don't keep some law to not go to a Church on Sunday...
If we do, it is "the Mark of the Beast" and we are all destined to hell?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I can see that hell is going to be full to the brim of trillions of Christians.

What a load of bull this all is.
Pluck the beam out of your own eye before you try to sort out a differnt religious belief...your own is a false as a three dollar bill.

 

[Dcopymope]

So we are all so busy pointing the fingers , and can see so clearly all the faults and errors of the Catholics that 'need' straightening out, and the 'people' need much warning against.
BUT..
What about all the SDA adventist stuff that is false and error....and the threat being placed on those who don't keep some law to not go to a Church on Sunday...
If we do, it is "the Mark of the Beast" and we are all destined to hell?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I can see that hell is going to be full to the brim of trillions of Christians.

What a load of bull this all is.
Pluck the beam out of your own eye before you try to sort out a differnt religious belief...your own is a false as a three dollar bill.

I believe most if not all false beliefs of what the mark of the beast is supposed to be basically stems from only one belief; that it has to do with worshiping the beast or simply pledging allegiance to him, when the narrative supports no such thing. From this one belief, its easy to make claims like the mark being church service on Sunday, or some nonsense like that.

 

[Enoch111]

I believe most if not all false beliefs of what the mark of the beast is supposed to be basically stems from only one belief; that it has to do with worshiping the beast or simply pledging allegiance to him, when the narrative supports no such thing.

It is very unwise to misrepresent Scripture. So take a look at what the Bible says and don't try to put a spin on it.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?...And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world... And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (Rev 13:4,8,12).

 

[BreadOfLife]

I disagree that criticizing Catholic practices is "anti-Catholic" - it's anti-Catholic doctrine, upon which their practices are founded.

I'm not talking about simply "criticizing".
I'm talking about LYING.

Criticizing or disagreeing isn't sinful. Lying IS . . .

 

[Dcopymope]

It is very unwise to misrepresent Scripture. So take a look at what the Bible says and don't try to put a spin on it.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?...And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world... And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (Rev 13:4,8,12).

.....You don't even realize you just debunked yourself with the very verses you cited. The world is already worshiping the beast long before the mark even comes into the picture. The mark doesn't even come into the picture until verse 16, among all that worshiping they've been doing since verse 4. It shows that the mark itself has nothing to do with worship or pledging allegiance, since the world already pledged their allegiance to the beast well beforehand. Its not hard to see folks, all it takes is a little bit of discernment, and some common sense....for once.

(verse 4) "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

(verse 16) "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

 

[BreadOfLife]

God centered religion is found where people are pointed to the Bible and man-centered religion is found where Bibles were chained to pulpits and forbidden to be read by the people for themselves.

And ignorance is when somebody makes an idiotic comment like this without doing his homework.

Bibles WERE chained to pulpits in the centuries PRIOR to the invention of the printing press because they were very expensive to come by. They were handwritten and took years to complete. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with not allowing people to "read" them for them selves.

Besides - as rudimentary knowledge of history would show you that in those days - as much as 85-90% of the general public was functionally ILLITERATE and would have NO use for a written Bible anyway.

 

[aspen]

Unrepentent humanity is the collective beast - 666 is the number of unrepentent, worldly, enslaved humanity. Tattoos or brands on the forehead and the right hand of a roman person marked them as a slave.

Looking for the Beast amongst the collective beast is kind of a waste of time

 

[BreadOfLife]

100% correct.

And, as I explained earlier - the Bible explains that to "Believe" on the Lord Jesus Christ is to OBEY Him . . .
- Being Baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Eating and drinking His Body and Blood (John 6:22-71)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- Suffering with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am considered anticatholic by BOL so as long as I am here, he has given himself permission to reform every false self he meets on the board and hammer the true into them.

Actually, Aspen - I usually don't give your posts a second though - unless I catch you in a lie or you say something equally as stupid or indefensible . . .

 

[aspen]

Actually, Aspen - I usually don't give your posts a second though - unless I catch you in a lie or you say something equally as stupid or indefensible . . .

Aw...and i was feeling so special....

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sometime you protest way too much, brother, as civil as you try to be.

When others are claiming scriptural authority for how they are to read the Bible, then it's their fault for conning others just as it is the serpent's fault for conning Eve. Do note that the serpent did not get away unpunished, but yes, Eve was punished for doubting what God had said.

So basically, all Catholics should not believe what the Catholic Church teaches and read the King James Bible for themselves about the real Good News and how to look to Him for help in following Him as well as rest all their hopes in Jesus Christ and His words for all things rather than the Catholic Church.

WRONG.
When YOU are judged - God isn't going to give you a "pass" because you were too lazy or stupid to know the truth. YOU will be responsible for what YOU did or didn't do - not somebody else.

 

[Naomi25]

Agree 100%
Great post N.

I've tried to tell @BreadOfLife these same ideas but he's too bent on correcting at all costs...

Sad thing is that he's right on all things Catholic. A little softer tone would be nice. Maybe he's just tired of being accused of so much falsehood??
I mean the CC.

I agree. I think there is too much Catholic bashing on this forum. But I'm not sure his approach to it is actually helping his cause.

 

[aspen]

Who does he agree with? I’d like to meet them

 

[Naomi25]

And when did I ever speak "negatively" about anybody for finding joy in Christ??

I simply told Grams that she has nobody to blame but herself for her spiritual laziness in not reading Scripture for herself. There is PLENTY of Scripture to be read at each Mass. Reading Scripture on your own is YOUR responsibility.

I am sick to death of people whining about their church - whatever church that may be - for their shortcomings. It's as pointless as blaming your boss because YOU don't make enough money.

Um...calling someone "ignorant" multiple times, as well as "lazy" and also intimating they were terrible parents is NOT negative?
One could argue, perhaps, as to it's truth in a particular situation or not, but there is no way under logic, reason and basic understanding of English language that the sort of words you used were not negative.

And IF you have read scripture, as you suggest every Christian has to come to themselves, then you must have read how it is the responsibility of pastors, teachers and leaders to point to correct Christian living. In which reality does this not involve bible reading? To suggest that Priests don't need to point parishioners (or whatever their called in the RCC) to reading scripture and to know God's word intimately, is a failing on their part, not just on the individual Christians part. After all, people can only come to the truth of the gospel from hearing. That puts the onus on the preacher first...if they don't point to the truth, who will? If the Priest constantly advised his parishioners to study and read scripture, and they didn't, THEN it would be on them. But to be led to believe that following the 'church' traditions of attending confession, praying, going to mass, etc, would be enough, the RCC is, even inadvertently, doing a disservice to many....or, at least, the particular parish that Grams attended was.

Sometimes people assign blame to cover up their own short-comings...but sometimes people are wronged. It's a fallen world, and you can't deny that people are doing other people wrongs all the time. Are we to place those wrongs upon our own shoulders as well? Not really, that would be making something up, dismissing reality. So is your problem that it took Grams years to find a true, close relationship with Jesus...or are you complaining that it was, apparently, the RCC that got in the way of that? For whatever reason. Because if it had been some bogus Protestant denomination...like one big on the health/wealth "gospel"...I don't think you'd have a problem and you would claim she's whining about a thing. Just because you may have had a wonderful experience with the RCC, and your Parish is bringing you closer to Christ, and encouraging you to read scripture, that doesn't mean that all Parish's are like that; that all Priest's are like that. You might ask Grams about her bad experience, and sympathize that she'd had to change denominations to find that relationship, rather than enforce for all to see, that she made the right decision.

 

[aspen]

Um...calling someone "ignorant" multiple times, as well as "lazy" and also intimating they were terrible parents is NOT negative?
One could argue, perhaps, as to it's truth in a particular situation or not, but there is no way under logic, reason and basic understanding of English language that the sort of words you used were not negative.

And IF you have read scripture, as you suggest every Christian has to come to themselves, then you must have read how it is the responsibility of pastors, teachers and leaders to point to correct Christian living. In which reality does this not involve bible reading? To suggest that Priests don't need to point parishioners (or whatever their called in the RCC) to reading scripture and to know God's word intimately, is a failing on their part, not just on the individual Christians part. After all, people can only come to the truth of the gospel from hearing. That puts the onus on the preacher first...if they don't point to the truth, who will? If the Priest constantly advised his parishioners to study and read scripture, and they didn't, THEN it would be on them. But to be led to believe that following the 'church' traditions of attending confession, praying, going to mass, etc, would be enough, the RCC is, even inadvertently, doing a disservice to many....or, at least, the particular parish that Grams attended was.

Sometimes people assign blame to cover up their own short-comings...but sometimes people are wronged. It's a fallen world, and you can't deny that people are doing other people wrongs all the time. Are we to place those wrongs upon our own shoulders as well? Not really, that would be making something up, dismissing reality. So is your problem that it took Grams years to find a true, close relationship with Jesus...or are you complaining that it was, apparently, the RCC that got in the way of that? For whatever reason. Because if it had been some bogus Protestant denomination...like one big on the health/wealth "gospel"...I don't think you'd have a problem and you would claim she's whining about a thing. Just because you may have had a wonderful experience with the RCC, and your Parish is bringing you closer to Christ, and encouraging you to read scripture, that doesn't mean that all Parish's are like that; that all Priest's are like that. You might ask Grams about her bad experience, and sympathize that she'd had to change denominations to find that relationship, rather than enforce for all to see, that she made the right decision.

A thoughful post - i do not agree with all of it, but I get your point. I also think you were gracious toward BOL....more gracious than I would be

 

[GodsGrace]

A thoughful post - i do not agree with all of it, but I get your point. I also think you were gracious toward BOL....more gracious than I would be

@Naomi25 is right Aspen. Only recently has the CC been involved in debates and trying to tell their congregations to read the bible and to study it and only recently have bible studies been offered. By recently I mean, maybe, in the past 20 years.

Over here, it's just beginning. Some priests don't even understand the REASON why people need to know the bible. I go to a Catholic bible study once a month and it's amusing how it just skims over the surface. (I'm not speaking about the monastary I go to - that's good).

The monastery I go to is 45 minutes from my home. We're about 15 persons. Some drive an hour to get there --- how desperate are they? We talk about this every now and then but nothing is going to change.

I DO place much responsibility on priests. I only know one here that had any interest in doing studies and the bishop changed him to a parish with 8 churches so he no longer has time.

Nuff said.

 

[aspen]

@Naomi25 is right Aspen. Only recently has the CC been involved in debates and trying to tell their congregations to read the bible and to study it and only recently have bible studies been offered. By recently I mean, maybe, in the past 20 years.

Over here, it's just beginning. Some priests don't even understand the REASON why people need to know the bible. I go to a Catholic bible study once a month and it's amusing how it just skims over the surface. (I'm not speaking about the monastary I go to - that's good).

The monastery I go to is 45 minutes from my home. We're about 15 persons. Some drive an hour to get there --- how desperate are they? We talk about this every now and then but nothing is going to change.

I DO place much responsibility on priests. I only know one here that had any interest in doing studies and the bishop changed him to a parish with 8 churches so he no longer has time.

Nuff said.

I do not claim the Catholic Church is perfect. There are many problems within my church. Vatican II has corrected some of these issues - Catholics are now encouraged to educate themselves and lead an active spiritual life. There are still Catholics that resist change and cannot reconcille how they practiced their religion as kids and the call for greater personal responsibility being taught today. We still have to grow and make changes in the way we practice our Christianity.

 

[Nancy]

This has always bothered me...

So how come we don't all believe the same?

We once we are complete in Him! On this earth though, I highly doubt we will ever see unity within Christian Churches. Sad indeed.