Prophetic Chart from beginning unto the ending, Prophetic studies

[ReChoired]

Let us now consider Daniel 11:20 -

Daniel 11:20 - Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

What does “stand up in his estate” mean according to the scripture [KJB]? It means to come to the ruling position or office and execute judgment, and can even mean the close of probation:

Acts 4:26 - The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Job 34:24 - He shall break in pieces mighty men without number, and set others in their stead.

Psalms 106:30 - Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed.

Daniel 12:1 - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Luke 13:25 - When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Acts 7:55 - But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 - And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Genesis 40:13 - Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler.

Genesis 41:13 - And it came to pass, as he interpreted to us, so it was; me he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged.

Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.​

What is the “glory of the kingdom”? It is Jerusalem in Judaea, and later we shall see it also represents the Church itself.

Isaiah 4:2 - In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

Jeremiah 3:19 - But I said , How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said , Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.

Ezekiel 7:2 - Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

Ezekiel 7:20 - As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations [and] of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.

Ezekiel 20:6 - In the day [that] I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which [is] the glory of all lands.

Ezekiel 20:15 - Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given [them], flowing with milk and honey, which [is] the glory of all lands;

Ezekiel 20:38 - And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Ezekiel 20:40 - For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

Ezekiel 20:42 - And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country [for] the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.

Daniel 8:9 - And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great , toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant [land].

Daniel 11:16 - But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.

Daniel 11:45 - And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.​

Thus Daniel 11:20, and the “tax” in the glory of the Kingdom [Jerusalem] was by Pagan Rome. See Joseph and Mary and the Roman tax, Matthew the publican, Zacchaeus the publican, and many publicans in the days of “Caesar”, thus give unto Caesar what is Caesar's:

Matthew 22:17 - Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Matthew 22:18 - But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?

Matthew 22:19 - Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

Matthew 22:20 - And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

Matthew 22:21 - They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mark 12:14 - And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

Mark 12:16 - And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

Mark 12:17 - And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Mark 2:14 - And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

Luke 2:1 - And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Luke 2:3 - And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

Luke 2:5 - To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Luke 5:27 - And after these things he went forth, and saw a publican, named Levi, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he said unto him, Follow me.

Luke 5:29 - And Levi made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans and of others that sat down with them.

Luke 19:2 - And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

Luke 20:22 - Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?

Luke 20:24 - Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's.

Luke 20:25 - And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

Luke 23:2 - And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.

Matthew 10:3 - Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

Romans 13:7 - Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.​

 

[ReChoired]

What does “within few days” mean in the context of being “destroyed”, or broken to pieces [ie. Rome would be broken into ten portions]? This one is quite interesting, as it has various definitions in scripture [KJB]:

Psalms 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

Proverbs 6:15 - Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.​

Various times, in regards “few days”:

a few days old, just born:

Job 14:1 - Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.​

a few days of chastening:

Hebrews 12:10 - For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.​

10 Days:

Genesis 24:55;p - “... us a few days, at the least ten ...”​

2 Days, a Month or a Year:

Numbers 9:20 - And so it was, when the cloud was a few days upon the tabernacle; according to the commandment of the LORD they abode in their tents, and according to the commandment of the LORD they journeyed.

Numbers 9:21 - And so it was, when the cloud abode from even unto the morning, and that the cloud was taken up in the morning, then they journeyed: whether it was by day or by night that the cloud was taken up, they journeyed.

Numbers 9:22 - Or whether it were two days, or a month, or a year, that the cloud tarried upon the tabernacle, remaining thereon, the children of Israel abode in their tents, and journeyed not: but when it was taken up, they journeyed.​

7 Years:

Genesis 29:20 - And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her.​

20 Years:

Genesis 27:44 - And tarry with him a few days, until thy brother's fury turn away;

Genesis 27:45 - Until thy brother's anger turn away from thee, and he forget that which thou hast done to him: then I will send, and fetch thee from thence: why should I be deprived also of you both in one day?

Genesis 31:41 - Thus have I been twenty years in thy house; I served thee fourteen years for thy two daughters, and six years for thy cattle: and thou hast changed my wages ten times.​

130 Years:

Genesis 47:9 - And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.​

A lifetime:

Job 10:20 - Are not my days few? cease then, and let me alone, that I may take comfort a little,​

A “few days”, therefore seems to signify as much time as is required to accomplish what is spoken of, whether a matter of moments, or to centuries. It seems to also signify within a single moment, suddenly, at the culmination of the time, ie 'in a single day' or 'within a few moments' it would come to this or that.

 

[ReChoired]

What then does “destroyed” mean according to scripture? It means to be broken to pieces, shattered. Rome would come to be divided and not overthrown by another world power.

Iron Rome broken to pieces, divided:

Daniel 2:40 - And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in peices and bruise.

Daniel 2:41 - And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Daniel 2:42 - And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

Daniel 2:43 - And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Daniel 7:7 - After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:20 - And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Daniel 7:24 - And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.​

The same word used for “destroyed” is used throughout:

Broken idols, images:

Exodus 23:24 - Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

1 Kings 19:11 - And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:

2 Kings 11:18 - And all the people of the land went into the house of Baal, and brake it down; his altars and his images brake they in pieces thoroughly, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars. And the priest appointed officers over the house of the LORD.

2 Kings 18:4 - He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

2 Kings 23:14 - And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men.

2 Chronicles 23:17 - Then all the people went to the house of Baal, and brake it down, and brake his altars and his images in pieces, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars.

2 Chronicles 31:1 - Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.

2 Chronicles 34:4 - And they brake down the altars of Baalim in his presence; and the images, that were on high above them, he cut down; and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images, he brake in pieces, and made dust of them, and strowed it upon the graves of them that had sacrificed unto them.​

Kingdom broken to pieces:

Daniel 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.​

Moses broke the Tables of the Ten Commandments:

Exodus 32:19 - And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

Deuteronomy 9:17 - And I took the two tables, and cast them out of my two hands, and brake them before your eyes.

Deuteronomy 10:1 - At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

Deuteronomy 10:2 - And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.​

A city and its people broken up:

Jeremiah 19:11 - And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury.​

Brass broken to pieces and carried away:

Jeremiah 52:17 - Also the pillars of brass that were in the house of the LORD, and the bases, and the brasen sea that was in the house of the LORD, the Chaldeans brake, and carried all the brass of them to Babylon.​

Trees broken, or shattered, to pieces:

Exodus 9:25 - And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.​

Ships broken to pieces by winds and waves:

Psalms 48:7 - Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish with an east wind.​

Then “neither in anger, nor in battle”, refers to being divided, and broken up, but not conquered.

What is amazing, is that by Daniel 11:20 KJB, Jerusalem would be leveled to the ground by Rome, even as it was earlier leveled to the ground by Babylon.

 

[ReChoired]

Daniel 11's Four Major sections -

[1] 70 weeks, Medo-Persia to Pagan Rome [457 BC – AD 31, midst of week, AD 34 end of the 70th week, Daniel 11:1-22]

[2] from AD 31-70 unto AD 508/538 [Pagan Rome transitioning into Papal Rome, obtaining an Army, Daniel 11:22-30,31]

[3] from AD 508/538 unto AD 1798 [Papal Rome/Dark Ages/Persecution, Reformation, deadly wound, Daniel 11:31-40]

[4] from 1798, including 1843/44 [and unto the very end, & special resurrection & Second Advent, Daniel 11:40-12:4]​

 

[Keraz]

TL,DR.
If anyone bothers to read that lot, I would be surprised.

The thing is; like most books, movies, sermons, etc, on the Prophetic Word, you do have some correctly interpreted, but much is speculation.
Fortunately, we will soon know the truth of the end times, as it all happens. We will all be fully enlightened then.

 

[ReChoired]

TL,DR. ...

Sorry, was trying to take your argument (such as it is; as Jesuitism also expresses it) seriously. If you didn't desire me to take your argument (such as it is) seriously and respond as such, and if you weren't going to read such, you should have told me so from the beginning, and I would have sooner ignored it, as not worth my time.

Pro_18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

Pro_18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.​

 

[brakelite]

@Keraz G'day bro. You have, for all the time I have read your posts on this forum, been a person who has exuded a spirit of deep interest in prophecy above all other topics. I am surprised, even amazed, at the off hand nonchalante brush off of the posts here presented. They offer accurate and deep historical and biblical perspective of Daniel that of all people on this forum,I would have thought you to be the most interested. You and I have discussed these matters ourselves, but my knowledge in these things is way surpassed by @ReChoired so there is no need for me to add to what he has offered...not that there is anything I could add that would be new, so I pass to his greater knowledge. But there was much I learned from his above posts I had never considered nor seen before. I would have thought his insights to be of even more interest to you considering your love for the subject. Was I wrong about you bro?

 

[Davy]

Not in question. The matter is the "little horn" that arises out of the four winds. This is not Antiochus IV Epiphanes for all the reasons previously cited.

Daniel 8 doesn't represent Alexander either. Alexander didn't end sacrifices in Jerusalem nor desolate the temple. Instead he offered sacrifices to the God of Israel while in Jerusalem (per the Jewish historian Josephus, 100 A.D.).

 

[Keraz]

@Keraz G'day bro. You have, for all the time I have read your posts on this forum, been a person who has exuded a spirit of deep interest in prophecy above all other topics. I am surprised, even amazed, at the off hand nonchalante brush off of the posts here presented. They offer accurate and deep historical and biblical perspective of Daniel that of all people on this forum,I would have thought you to be the most interested. You and I have discussed these matters ourselves, but my knowledge in these things is way surpassed by @ReChoired so there is no need for me to add to what he has offered...not that there is anything I could add that would be new, so I pass to his greater knowledge. But there was much I learned from his above posts I had never considered nor seen before. I would have thought his insights to be of even more interest to you considering your love for the subject. Was I wrong about you bro?

Thanks for your nice comments about me.
I also offered a 'deep historical and Biblical perspective on the prophesies of Daniel'. in #80.
No one except ReChoired, commented seriously on that.

But when posters try to promote their denominational doctrines here, such as anything of any historical or of any Biblical significance happened in 1844, then I view all their writings as colored by their pre-conceived beliefs. Basically their posts are just propaganda, in support of what they have been taught to believe.

We must clear our minds of any mans teachings. Or any woman's in ReCh's case.
I have read Ellen Whites books. She was a great person, with amazing insights, but there is no way she could have know the truths of the prophesies. Daniel 12:6-10 proves this.

 

[Keraz]

Daniel 8 doesn't represent Alexander either. Alexander didn't end sacrifices in Jerusalem nor desolate the temple. Instead he offered sacrifices to the God of Israel while in Jerusalem (per the Jewish historian Josephus, 100 A.D.).

Obviously you have failed to read Daniel 8:21.
An admission of your error is required.

 

[Davy]

Obviously you have failed to read Daniel 8:21.
An admission of your error is required.

And you have failed to read the Daniel 8:23-25 verses... which are about the final Antichrist at the end of this world, which is the one who will come to end the daily sacrifices in Jerusalem once they are started again, with a temple.

Dan 8:23-25
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
KJV

Like I said, Alexander didn't end the daily sacrifices in Jerusalem when the priests opened up the city to him. Thus the Dan.8:9-14 events CANNOT apply to him.

 

[Davy]

Daniel 11's Four Major sections -

[1] 70 weeks, Medo-Persia to Pagan Rome [457 BC – AD 31, midst of week, AD 34 end of the 70th week, Daniel 11:1-22]

[2] from AD 31-70 unto AD 508/538 [Pagan Rome transitioning into Papal Rome, obtaining an Army, Daniel 11:22-30,31]

[3] from AD 508/538 unto AD 1798 [Papal Rome/Dark Ages/Persecution, Reformation, deadly wound, Daniel 11:31-40]

[4] from 1798, including 1843/44 [and unto the very end, & special resurrection & Second Advent, Daniel 11:40-12:4]​

You do the same errors as Keraz. You miss the forest for all the trees (i.e., attempts to apply historical details over an event yet to occur).

Dan 11:21
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

That "vile person" represents the final Antichrist that is to come to Jerusalem, and sit in the "temple of God", exalting himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2:4). Many have tried to apply this one to Antiochus IV (Epiphanes), yet he did not fulfill all this.


Dan.11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

This "league" is the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27, for this one is who will make a league in Jerusalem for the symbolic "one week" and then end that league with stopping sacrifices and placing the abomination that makes desolate, the event Jesus foretold for the end of this world per Matt.24:15-26 and Mark 13:14-22. The "small people" he makes the "league" with are those who serve him and will betray the holy covenant per Dan.11:30.

Dan.11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

That "holy covenant" isn't the league. It's the re-restablished old covenant, with sacrifices and a new temple built in Jerusalem by the orthodox Jews for the end. It is the temple Apostle John was shown in Revelation 11:1-2. The next verse confirms the daily sacrifice is going on at this point.

Dan.11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

That is about the final Antichrist in Jerusalem for the end doing that. Antiochus IV served only as a type in 165-170 B.C., as he took Jerusalem, ended sacrifices, and went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar instead, and then placed an idol there in Zeus worship. He served as TYPE for the final Antichrist that Jesus was forewarning about when He quoted this from the Book of Daniel.

Per your above outline, you have (2) & (3) Papal Rome doing this, which is a false idea, simply because Jesus quoted about this "abomination of desolation" here in Dan.11:31, and Antiochus IV had already been dead for almost 200 years, and Papal Rome never got control of the temple in 70 A.D., instead the Jews set fire to the temple inside and it burned down. The Romans never sacrificed upon the altar inside that temple like Antiochus did, nor did they place an idol upon it inside the temple.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Dan 9:25 ... seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks ...

"... four hundred and ninety years ..."

The vast majority of translations explicitly say (in one form or another), 'seven and sixty two'

1. There is NO precedent either in Scripture or in any Society where a pair of shoes cost seven and sixty-two dollars, plus tax.

2. The "weeks" NOT the USUAL CONCISE Feminine Gender text (which would calculate to your ~490 years~. They're in the UNUSUAL INCONCISE Masculine Gender text FOUND ONLY in the 9th Chapter of Daniel, -- no where else in Scripture.

3. There is NO Historical "fulfillment" for your purported ~490 years~:

Per Montgomery:

The history of the exegesis of the 70 Weeks is the Dismal Swamp of O. T. criticism. The difficulties that beset any "rationalistic" treatment of the figures are great enough, but the critics on this side of the fence do not agree among themselves; but the trackless wilderness of assumptions and theories and efforts to obtain an exact chronology fitting into the the history of Salvation, after these 2,000 years of infinitely varied interpretations, would seem to preclude any use of the 70 Weeks for the determination of a definite prophetic chronology. ... "

John Wolvoord, "Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation", Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217​

4. If the "majority" were "correct", Jesus wouldn't have gone to the cross. Others would have intervened.

5. In 12:4 & 9 the angel demands that the prophecies are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. LIARS have assigned ANCIENT fulfillments, and LESS THAN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE have believed their lies. Perhaps people should believe the angel, -- but their doctrines (LIES) supersede Scripture!



SEE? I told you that you weren't looking for Scriptural TRUTH. You already have your lies, so believe them!
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Daniel 8:23-25 verses ...

It's ok that you spew the commentator lies without ANY ability to ARRIVE to your conclusions, -- all you have to do is JUMP!


Whew,
Bobby Jo


To All,

Simple question: Who are the TWO Kings of Media and Persia?

They're NOT under Cyrus, who conquered and reigned over BOTH, -- WITHOUT A DUAL MONARCHY!
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Daniel 7:8-14 absolutely was prophesying about Antiochus 4, the son of one of the four generals who took over Alexanders empire. ...

FIVE Generals, -- for approximately 40 years (42 years to be precise). It's like someone here in the U.S. denying TEN U.S. PRESIDENTIAL TERMS OF OFFICE.

...(Alexander) had left not one but several strong men behind him, and none could be content with less than sovereignty. ... After some minor trials at arms which disposed of lesser contenders, they divided the empire into five parts -- Antipater taking Macedonia and Greece, Lysimachus Thrace, Antigonus Asia Minor, Seleucus Babylonea, and Ptolemy Egypt.”[1]


[1] Durant, Will, “Story of Civilization: Part I,” Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 557-558​

But what is History except that which FALSE religious doctrines supersede?!?
Bobby Jo

 

[Keraz]

And you have failed to read the Daniel 8:23-25 verses... which are about the final Antichrist at the end of this world, which is the one who will come to end the daily sacrifices in Jerusalem once they are started again, with a temple.

I asked you to admit that Daniel 8:21 referred to Alexander the Great. Was that too hard for you?

Sure; Daniel 8:22-25 does prophecy about the end times Anti-Christ. We agree on that. And about a new Temple.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I asked you to admit that Daniel 8:21 referred to Alexander the Great. Was that too hard for you? ...

Why would you ask someone to LIE to you? Are your FALSE doctrines so sacrosanct that you're willing to subvert TRUTH / HISTORY / SCRIPTURE ?!?

What kind of people are we indoctrinating in our churches???
Bobby Jo

 

[Helen]

TL,DR.
If anyone bothers to read that lot, I would be surprised.

The thing is; like most books, movies, sermons, etc, on the Prophetic Word, you do have some correctly interpreted, but much is speculation.
Fortunately, we will soon know the truth of the end times, as it all happens. We will all be fully enlightened then.

Of course nobody has time to read all that lot...

It is SOoooo like the copy and pasting , flooding of posts like TheHolyBookEnds used to flood the forum with... no one bothers to read them ...YAWN...

 

[Bobby Jo]

Of course nobody has time to read all that lot...

I have read Ellen Whites books. She was a great person, with amazing insights, but there is no way she could have know the truths of the prophesies. Daniel 12:6-10 proves this.

It seems the greater significance is if a person can't get the simple, how are we supposed to trust the complex?!? -- I don't know what I'm talking about, but go listen to xyz, his lessons are FABULOUS! -- Yeah, NOT.

Bobby Jo

 

[Helen]

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It seems the greater significance is if a person can't get the simple, how are we supposed to trust the complex?!? -- I don't know what I'm talking about, but go listen to xyz, his lessons are FABULOUS! -- Yeah, NOT.

Bobby Jo

Sorry, do what?

Is that a yea or a nay?