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[CharismaticLady]

@mjrhealth and @Behold


The real problem was not the law, but sin in our carnal nature that the law had to be kept through. The law says one thing; your nature the opposite.

Jesus came to take away the sin in our nature, by creating a new nature that partook of the divine nature. This is why Jesus said, "You must be born again." So now, with our new nature, the righteous requirements of the law can be fulfilled in us who no longer walk after the dead carnal flesh, but after the Spirit. Walk in the Spirit and you out pass keeping the old Law. In other words, we establish the law.

The Law was meant to show us our sin. With the desire to sin gone, the New Covenant Law of the Spirit replaces the Old Covenant Law of Sin and Death.

 

[Nancy]

@mjrhealth and @Behold


The real problem was not the law, but sin in our carnal nature that the law had to be kept through. The law says one thing; your nature the opposite.

Jesus came to take away the sin in our nature, by creating a new nature that partook of the divine nature. This is why Jesus said, "You must be born again." So now, with our new nature, the righteous requirements of the law can be fulfilled in us who no longer walk after the dead carnal flesh, but after the Spirit. Walk in the Spirit and you out pass keeping the old Law. In other words, we establish the law.

The Law was meant to show us our sin. With the desire to sin gone, the New Covenant Law of the Spirit replaces the Old Covenant Law of Sin and Death.

Yes, amen,
We do not have a "sin" nature anymore the sin we have living in us is in the flesh, warring against the Spirit.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, amen,
We do not have a "sin" nature anymore the sin we have living in us is in the flesh, warring against the Spirit.

 

[Nancy]

Why the faces JBF?
Do we not have a "new nature"? Does not sin live in our flesh like a parasite?

" 20But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me." (Romans 7:17-21 NASV).

 

[mjrhealth]

The Law was meant to show us our sin. With the desire to sin gone, the New Covenant Law of the Spirit replaces the Old Covenant Law of Sin and Death.

The law has nothing to do with us, the law was given to the "Israelites" not us. We came to Christ under grace so we could make them Jealous, how can we make them Jealous when Christians are perusing after the same law that they are no longer under. How foolish.

Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Act_13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Sp you persue after the law, Why??? IS it to boast??

We are not like all these other sinners... rings so loud around here.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, amen,
We do not have a "sin" nature anymore the sin we have living in us is in the flesh, warring against the Spirit.

The key is staying in the Spirit. Some think that is impossible, that we go in and out. NO! If we have the Spirit, we can stay in the Spirit as long as we don't grieve or quench the Spirit.

 

[justbyfaith]

Why the faces JBF?
Do we not have a "new nature"? Does not sin live in our flesh like a parasite?

" 20But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me." (Romans 7:17-21 NASV).

Sorry, it seemed to me that you were saying the opposite, that we do not have a sin nature.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Read it in context. We are not lawless. We are just not under the Old Covenant laws. But you are clueless as to why? It is because we are righteous through walking in the Spirit. Now read your verse in context, or remain clueless.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

What is meant by "He condemned sin in the flesh" is that He took away our sin, so we no longer SIN. It does NOT MEAN that we can fulfill the lust of the flesh and the condemnation is gone. Those with the Spirit have no desire to fulfill the lust of the flesh. So wake up and take that notion out of your head.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sorry, it seemed to me that you were saying the opposite, that we do not have a sin nature.

If I still have a sin nature, it is asleep. I haven't talked to it nor fed it in a long, long time, and don't intend on waking it up for a meal. I have a new nature that I feed and enjoy.

 

[justbyfaith]

The law has nothing to do with us, the law was given to the "Israelites" not us. We came to Christ under grace so we could make them Jealous, how can we make them Jealous when Christians are perusing after the same law that they are no longer under. How foolish.

Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Act_13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Sp you persue after the law, Why??? IS it to boast??

We are not like all these other sinners... rings so loud around here.

The law applies to Gentiles as well as Jews. It was given so that all the world might be found guilty before God (Romans 3:19). It shows Jew and Gentile alike that we are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20).

In Galatians 3:23, it says that "we were kept under the law". This "we" refers to all those who have been saved; and these consist of both Jew and Gentile.

Our obedience to the moral tenets of holy scripture does not come through our attempting to keep a set of requirements. Instead, by faith we receive the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:14) and then bear the fruit of the Spirit (love; goodness), which is never in violation of any law (Galatians 5:22-23).

Thus, we have a righteousness which is apart from the law; which is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

 

[justbyfaith]

If I still have a sin nature, it is asleep. I haven't talked to it nor fed it in a long, long time, and don't intend on waking it up for a meal. I have a new nature that I feed and enjoy.

More like dead; which is what I have been teaching all along.

Because people can reject your doctrine too easily by saying it is in contradiction to 1 John 1:8.

The doctrine that I preach is a doctrine of holiness that takes 1 John 1:8 and verses like it into account.

 

[justbyfaith]

What is meant by "He condemned sin in the flesh" is that He took away our sin, so we no longer SIN.

It actually means that sin is relegated to the flesh so that the only time we sin is when walking in the flesh...that is what the context also bears out.

 

[CharismaticLady]

More like dead; which is what I have been teaching all along.

Because people can reject your doctrine too easily by saying it is in contradiction to 1 John 1:8.

The doctrine that I preach is a doctrine of holiness that takes 1 John 1:8 and verses like it into account.

If it is dead, then why are you now teaching you still have one? Besides 1 John 1:8 is only interpreted to mean for a Christian by the ignorant. If you are cleansed of all sin, why is it a lie to agree? If Jesus was here to put an end to transgressions and sin, I will honor Him, and not call HIM the liar like they repulsively do by saying He didn't cleanse them of all sin. If they don't have the Spirit of Christ, that may be why they are having trouble with sin, which means they haven't become a Christian yet - 1 John 1:9. I am a Christian, and Jesus has freed me from any desire to sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

Consider Matthew 8:1-4. Jesus told the leper, after he was cleansed, to tell no one that he had been cleansed; but to go and show himself to the priests as a testimony unto them.

I believe that this, and 1 John 1:8, tell us that our greatest witness will not to be to tout to other people how holy we have become since receiving Christ; but to show them.

See Philemon 1:6 (kjv).

Phm 1:6, That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Consider Matthew 8:1-4. Jesus told the leper, after he was cleansed, to tell no one that he had been cleansed; but to go and show himself to the priests as a testimony unto them.

I believe that this, and 1 John 1:8, tell us that our greatest witness will not to be to tout to other people how holy we have become since receiving Christ; but to show them.

See Philemon 1:6 (kjv).

This is mainly for me a teaching forum. There are too many who justify their own sin by quoting 1 John 1:8, like they are not a liar - BUT make Christ the liar instead! Is that really showing love?

 

[justbyfaith]

This is mainly for me a teaching forum. There are too many who justify their own sin by quoting 1 John 1:8, like they are not a liar - BUT make Christ the liar instead!

I understand that. But the answer is not to completely eradicate 1 John 1:8 from your library of scripture knowledge. You would be guilty of the sin spoken of in Revelation 22:19.

The answer is to show them that they have no excuse to live a life of sinning, even with the presence of 1 John 1:8 as scripture.

I believe that the doctrine that I preach does this.

For I teach that the element of sin, while it continues to exist in the flesh (and thus I am not contradicting 1 John 1:8), can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

In this, the issue of indwelling sin is rendered moot; because we can have victory over sin in spite of indwelling sin: and thus every man is responsible to live a life of utter victory over sin.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I understand that. But the answer is not to completely eradicate 1 John 1:8 from your library of scripture knowledge. You would be guilty of the sin spoken of in Revelation 22:19.

The answer is to show them that they have no excuse to live a life of sinning, even with the presence of 1 John 1:8 as scripture.

I believe that the doctrine that I preach does this.

For I teach that the element of sin, while it continues to exist in the flesh (and thus I am not contradicting 1 John 1:8), can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

In this, the issue of indwelling sin is rendered moot; because we can have victory over sin in spite of indwelling sin: and thus every man is responsible to live a life of utter victory over sin.

We are not to add to the meaning of scripture either, but understand what the apostle is actually saying. 1 John 1:5-10 is written in contrasts. That is why verse 8 and 10 are not together, though they are both saying close to the same thing. The contrast is light vs. darkness. There is no darkness in God vs. 5, and with God in us, there is no darkness in us. Look at the first verse of darkness: 1 John 1:6. Verses six, eight and ten, are those who walk in darkness, but SAY they have a relationship with God. Verse seven is a Christian - we walk in the light. And verse 9 is how to become a Christian and come out of the darkness. Chapter 3 is also written in contrasts. So if anyone is taking away from scripture, it is those who are ignorant of the apostles eastern style of writing.

 

[justbyfaith]

If we walk in the light then we are not ignorant of what the light would reveal to us...that there is sin dwelling in our mortal flesh.

Having no darkness in us does not preclude that we have no sin...but it speaks of the fact that the light is shining upon our sin so that it can be dealt with by the Lord.

I understand that in your life, there is no sin to be dealt with; but I say what I say for the sake of those who have indwelling sin and might be inclined to deny its existence as 1 John 1:8 warns us against doing.

 

[CharismaticLady]

sin dwelling in our mortal flesh

That is not what scripture says in Romans 8. Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, taking us out of the flesh.

I understand that in your life, there is no sin to be dealt with; but I say what I say for the sake of those who have indwelling sin and might be inclined to deny its existence as 1 John 1:8 warns us against doing.

I disagree that giving 1 John 1:8 a false meaning helps anyone. Those who CHOOSE to believe that false teaching that their sins are not sins anymore, won't accept the truth no matter how many times they are shown. They walk in darkness and blindness because they want to. They love the darkness. It is called Antinomianism.

 

[justbyfaith]

That is not what scripture says in Romans 8. Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, taking us out of the flesh.

As I have said elsewhere, that means that Jesus has relegated sin to the flesh; so that we do not sin except we are walking according to the flesh.