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Most can't grasp the idea that Jesus doesn't come down and indwell some filthy animal to enhance to drempt up goodness that already exists within. No He's a quickening Spirit that gives new birth new creation. The filthy animal is destroyed, scripture states we die daily this implying one day at a time

Its the self righteousness that blinds the mind in believers, which keeps them from trusting in Christ alone to get them to heaven.
There are a few here who pretend to be teachers, (justbyfaith, charismaticlady) and 3-4others.... and if you pin them down, which i do a lot.... so that the sincere members can discern these pretenders, you find these actors start always clinging to their self righteous works to try to keep themselves saved.
Typical of a fakir.
 

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Its the self righteousness that blinds the mind in believers, which keeps them from trusting in Christ alone to get them to heaven.
There are a few here who pretend to be teachers, (justbyfaith, charismaticlady) and 3-4others.... and if you pin them down, which i do a lot.... so that the sincere members can discern these pretenders, you find these actors start always clinging to their self righteous works to try to keep themselves saved.
Typical of a fakir.
What amazes me is they can't see how self-centered it is, not Christ centered.
 

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One commands the very heavens be sealed up, so their hair doesn't get wet, another the demons flee at his name. I believe this is why I continue is awaiting the truth to be spoken within.
 

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To be righteous even as He is righteous, is indeed something that we do (1 John 3:7).

I do not deny that it is also something that we are in Christ.

Although, there is the reality of indwelling sin (1 john 1:8); which would prevent us from being perfect in the sense of without sin. We can be perfect in terms of our walk (1 John 3:5-9); and this is called maturity.
Through faith in the sacrificial blood of Christ, WE ARE perfect before the Father at all times. "I will never leave you, nor forsake you". Through faith in Him we abide in Him, and He in us.
Diligently study all of Romans 8.
 
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Through faith in the sacrificial blood of Christ, WE ARE perfect before the Father at all times. "I will never leave you, nor forsake you". Through faith in Him we abide in Him, and He in us.
Diligently study all of Romans 8.
I believe even the very faith you speak of is a product of the Spirit within, because aside from him I had no faith.
 

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Oh my, Behold you REALLY need to read past the 4th and 5th chapters of Romans.

Does this sound like you?

"""We must in the fullest sense become “partakers of the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4) so that our personal conduct reflects the character of God Himself. This impacts on the very purpose for our existence.""""

Its your own quote, yet, it came from the UCG web-site.
 

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Does this sound like you?

"""We must in the fullest sense become “partakers of the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4) so that our personal conduct reflects the character of God Himself. This impacts on the very purpose for our existence.""""

Its your own quote, yet, it came from the UCG web-site.
I can't help myself, I know the question is presented to CL, but maybe you should clarify first what the Devine nature looks like.

To prevent confusion?


Try to define it in one word?
 

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The reality is........The Blood of Christ has already cleansed our Sin.....all of it.....>Tomorrow's included.
If you don't understand this, and you have been falsely taught that your sin till the Cross is forgiven, and you then get God to take care of the new ones, by repenting, ... = you have been mislead and are practicing a waste of your time.

If you'll take your NT and turn to Colossians 2:13 AND THEN Romans 4:8, you will find an amazing discovery that, if you will believe it, will transform your Life in Christ.

Colossians 2:13 ...Paul teaches you that ALL your sin is gone, forgiven, remitted, redeemed, by Christ on the Cross.
Roman 4:8 Paul then confirms that God does not ever again, hold you accountable for your sin, in eternity.
He can't, as all your sin, ALL OF IT, Paul just told you is taken care of by Jesus on the Cross as the Blood Atonement.
So, your sin is gone, and when you are confessing and repenting of what is not being charged to you, you are wasting your Christian Life.
God does not re-clean you, every time you mess up and tell Him you are sorry.
He has already CLEANED you with the Blood of Jesus, 2000 yrs ago.
Now, when you can SEE THIS, you have taken your first real steps inside the Grace of God, as Right Believing.

Romans 5:20 "Where SIN abounds...Grace moreso Abounds".... = means....when you sin, (works of the Flesh ) after you are saved, the Blood Atonement has already paid for that one ALSO.... It means that when you sin a year from now, on a Monday morning, just before you come here to argue about OSAS, and you sin again (works of the Flesh)....THE CROSS has already taken care of that one also.
Realize the revelation that something that happened 2000+ years ago on a CROSS, is STILL your Salvation 20 yrs from NOW !
Saint, if God didnt take care of all your sin when you were saved, you'd be hell bound the same day you were born again.
You can't save yourself, and you can't keep yourself CLEAN.
You have to TRUST IN CHRIST at some point, with real Faith, so that your walk of faith is inside the Grace of God, trusting in CHRIST ALONE to KEEP YOU SAVED.
Until you can see this, and start to exist there in your MIND, then you will live outside the understanding of the Grace of God and continue to exist as a confessing repenting Discipleship FAILURE.

If a Legalist-Heretic.... could actually comprehend that you can't out-sin the BLOOD of CHRIST, that this blood has actively and permanently SOLVED your "sin" issue, then what a happy Christian they would be, as then they could actually Trust Christ totally., and not just partly.
This is why Jesus died for you. Its what He's doing on the Cross. He is Paying for (cleansing) our sin, from us, by dying FOR IT ALL.
And He DID.

Amazing how many people who claim to be Christians can't even begin to comprehend SALVATION.
Legalists don't understand that the CROSS is a completed work (Blood Atonement), so, they reach into the bible with eyes closed and spiritual mind locked.... and never care to learn or realize that not every verse is aimed at a born again believer.

Now, for the sake of those of you who have not been taught anything about your NT,.... Scriptures in the NT, and OT< are sometimes literal, sometimes symbolic, and sometimes allegorical....in meaning.
For example, "all who call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED"...is literal.
But, "take this cup, as its the blood of the New Covenant".. this can't be LITERAL, as Jesus's Blood is still in HIS BODY, when He's drinking the cup.

See it? ?

A legalist does not understand that "where there is no law, there is no transgression".....as "Christ has ABOLISHED THE LAW" is in the NT, reader. Ephesians 2:15
A legalist, reads Romans 4:8, where they are told that God does not hold them accountable, for sin...(impute)(charge).... and they just foolishly ignore this and run back to Hebrews, a book-letter not written to the CHURCH, but to UNSAVED JEWS..."HEBREWS"... and then they get lost in it and stay lost in it.

Ask why LEGALIST,.. Ask WHY does God not hold you accountable, in Eternity, for your sin that you do tomorrow and next week.

A.) Because God already held Jesus accountable on the CROSS for them ALL.
Understand?.... as this is so so important for you to understand.

A Legalist will take a verse out of Matthew, given before Jesus was on the Cross, that is not NT doctrine for the Blood Bought Redeemed Church, and use this verse out of context to prove to themselves they can "lose it"=(Their Salvation)
A Legalist thinks they are in Christ, then fall out of Christ when they sin, and if they confess = do penance or whatever other deeds they can come up with, they get back INTO Christ.
However, Christ has contradicted you, as He said "I will never leave you or forsake you"...so, "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", is a fact, that you need to start believing.

A Legalist actually believes they are saved untill they sin, then confess, and are saved again, ... as if Salvation is a type of Yo-Yo, of sinning confessing, sinning confessing, sinning confessing.....up down, up down in Christ out of Christ, in Christ, out of Christ.,. kinda crazy, isn't it?
And all of this confusion and chaos is not only the misunderstanding the Blood Atonement, its also not giving FULL Credit DUE to the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.... and that is the REAL issue, for the Legalist - Heretic.
Don't be that person.
Give up.
 

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I personally don't believe that any flesh can enter in.
Jesus will drink wine with us new in His Father's kingdom.

This indicates to me that at the very least, Jesus' spiritual body in heaven has a physical nature.

In the passage question, he was referring to the fruit of the vine, even the wine that He was drinking at the table, at the Last Supper.
 

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Its the self righteousness that blinds the mind in believers, which keeps them from trusting in Christ alone to get them to heaven.
There are a few here who pretend to be teachers, (justbyfaith, charismaticlady) and 3-4others.... and if you pin them down, which i do a lot.... so that the sincere members can discern these pretenders, you find these actors start always clinging to their self righteous works to try to keep themselves saved.
Typical of a fakir.
This is a lie from the pit of hell.

While I do teach what is written in 1 John 2:27-28, that the anointing will teach you to abide in Christ, I do not think that my works keep me saved. I am saved (and continue to be saved) by grace through faith; and that not of myself: it is God's gift to me: and not of works. I will not be boasting when I get to heaven of what I "did" to get there.

Now, it is sound teaching to understand that the blood of Jesus does not only justify (Romans 5:9); but it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 1:7). So I am saved and stay saved through the blood of Jesus; and this results in a walk that is holy.

I do not keep myself by living holy; but I live holy because the Lord is keeping me.

@Behold, you teach a salvation that is un-transformative in nature.

It is, basically, grace as a license for sin. No wonder you fight against that terminology in some of your posts.

I believe that the Bible teaches that your condemnation was marked out long ago.
 
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Does this sound like you?

"""We must in the fullest sense become “partakers of the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4) so that our personal conduct reflects the character of God Himself. This impacts on the very purpose for our existence.""""

Its your own quote, yet, it came from the UCG web-site.

What is a UCG web-site?

The quote is true, but what post did I say that?
 

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I actually don't use that, so, you are wrong again.

I use Hebrews, Ephesians, Colossians, Titus and 1-2 Timothy.
You know, all that "Paul stuff" that you've never studied.

So you don't use Romans 4 and 5, huh?

Roman 4:8 Paul then confirms that God does not ever again, hold you accountable for your sin, in eternity.
He can't, as all your sin, ALL OF IT, Paul just told you is taken care of by Jesus on the Cross as the Blood Atonement.
So, your sin is gone, and when you are confessing and repenting of what is not being charged to you, you are wasting your Christian Life.
God does not re-clean you, every time you mess up and tell Him you are sorry.
He has already CLEANED you with the Blood of Jesus, 2000 yrs ago.
Now, when you can SEE THIS, you have taken your first real steps inside the Grace of God, as Right Believing.

Romans 5:20 "Where SIN abounds...Grace moreso Abounds".... = means....when you sin, (works of the Flesh ) after you are saved, the Blood Atonement has already paid for that one ALSO.... It means that when you sin a year from now, on a Monday morning, just before you come here to argue about OSAS, and you sin again (works of the Flesh)....THE CROSS has already taken care of that one also.
Realize the revelation that something that happened 2000+ years ago on a CROSS, is STILL your Salvation 20 yrs from NOW !
Saint, if God didnt take care of all your sin when you were saved, you'd be hell bound the same day you were born again.
You can't save yourself, and you can't keep yourself CLEAN.
You have to TRUST IN CHRIST at some point, with real Faith, so that your walk of faith is inside the Grace of God, trusting in CHRIST ALONE to KEEP YOU SAVED.
Until you can see this, and start to exist there in your MIND, then you will live outside the understanding of the Grace of God and continue to exist as a confessing repenting Discipleship FAILURE.
 

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Its the self righteousness that blinds the mind in believers, which keeps them from trusting in Christ alone to get them to heaven.
There are a few here who pretend to be teachers, (justbyfaith, charismaticlady) and 3-4others.... and if you pin them down, which i do a lot.... so that the sincere members can discern these pretenders, you find these actors start always clinging to their self righteous works to try to keep themselves saved.
Typical of a fakir.

belief is a work (Jn 6:28,29)
 

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The jailer was not said to BELIEVE until he had been baptized in water (after midnight). (Acts 16:30-34)
 

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belief is a work (Jn 6:28,29)
Belief is not just another work in a series of works in a quest to receive salvation by works. John 6:29 is simply a play on words by Jesus when he said, "This is the work (singular) of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent," when He answered the Jews (who were taking a legalistic approach) when they asked, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works (plural) of God?" So Jesus was not saying that believing is just "another work," which would contradict Ephesians 2:8,9. *Note the "distinction" between faith "and" works - "saved through faith, not works."
 

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The jailer was not said to BELIEVE until he had been baptized in water (after midnight). (Acts 16:30-34)
In Acts 16:31, we read - "..Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" ... and not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get baptized and you will be saved. Water baptism "followed" believing in the Lord Jesus Christ unto salvation, just as it did in (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18).
 

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In Acts 16:31, we read - "..Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" ... and not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get baptized and you will be saved. Water baptism "followed" believing in the Lord Jesus Christ unto salvation, just as it did in (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18).
Like Paul Harvey said , Let's hear the rest of the story.

How bout read (Acts 16:30-34)?

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
 

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In Acts 16:31, we read - "..Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" ... and not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get baptized and you will be saved. Water baptism "followed" believing in the Lord Jesus Christ unto salvation, just as it did in (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18).

Mark 16:16 disagrees with your opinion.

Believe + Baptism = Saved (Mark 16:16)
 

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belief is a work (Jn 6:28,29)

Welcome to the forum.

Something you may not know about this site. If you write out the complete verse address like this:

John 6:28-29 and with no extra spaces, then those reading can just click on it, or just mouse on it, and the verse will pop up.

Let's see if commas work as well: John 6:28,29 or John 6:28, 29

Edit: No, only hyphens with no spaces except between John and 6.

On this site only the whole Acts of the Apostles works. You can't just put Acts.
 

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Like Paul Harvey said , Let's hear the rest of the story.

How bout read (Acts 16:30-34)?

Ac 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
The rest of the story does not change verse 31. Water baptism “followed“ believing in the Lord Jesus Christ unto salvation, just as it did in (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18). They believed before, during and after being water baptized and water baptism was not the origin of their belief.
 
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