One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

[ReChoired]

Yes, indeed, but if sins don't get dealt with in judgment for those who won't believe, how is a sinless heaven preserved?

That's a different question than the first. All sin is dealt with in judgment. Unbelievers (finally impenitent) will be destroyed completely (by fire).

The words used so far in describing the end of the wicked are Destroy, Blotted Out, Perished, Consumed Utterly, Cut Off, Dissolved, Melted, Devoured, Dead, Death, Hath Not Been, Not [any/no more], Burned Up, etc. [all taken from Strong's]:

[Hebrew: machah מחה; meaning: to wipe out; blot out, obliterate; exterminated]
[Hebrew: macah מסה; meaning: melt away, dissolve, liquefy, consumed]
[Hebrew: muwg מוג; meaning: to melt, dissolve, faint, dissipate, flow away]
[Hebrew: muwth מות; meaning: dead, death, kill, slain]
[Hebrew: da`ak דעך; meaning: extinguished, to go out, put out, dry up, made extinct, quenched]
[Hebrew: caphah ספה; meaning: to be swept away, destroyed, consumed]
[Hebrew: shachath שחת; meaning: destroyed, corrupted, ruined, decayed]
[Hebrew: parar פרר; meaning: break apart, frustrate, split, splinter to pieces, shatter, cracked up]
[Hebrew: 'abad אבד; meaning: perished, vanished, destroyed, die, exterminated, blot out, put to death]
[Hebrew: 'obed אבד; meaning: destruction, perish]
[Hebrew: gava` גוע; meaning: to expire, die, death, breathe ones last, yield up the last breath]
[Hebrew: cuwph סוף; meaning: to come to an end, to make an end, consume utterly, cause to cease, perish]
[Hebrew: damah דמה; meaning: to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy, perish, to be undone]
[Hebrew: charam חרם; meaning: to ban, destroy utterly and completely, exterminated, forfeited, divided, prohibited]
[Hebrew: kalah כלה; meaning: consumed, determined, ended, finished, completely spent, at an end, perish, terminated, annihilation, complete destruction]
[Hebrew: karath כרת; meaning: cut off, cut asunder, eliminate, kill, cut down]
[Hebrew: kachad כחד; meaning: hide, conceal, cut down, make desolate, destroy, cut off, annihilate, efface]
[Hebrew: bala` בלע; meaning: swallowed up, eaten up, to be ended]
[Hebrew: balah בלה; meaning: to wear out, wear away, use up completely]
[Hebrew: harac הרס; meaning: to tear down, break down, overthrow, destroy utterly]
[Hebrew: show' שוא; meaning: devastated, ruined, laid to waste]
[Hebrew: tsamath צמת; meaning: put an end to, cut off, destroy, exterminate, annihilate]
[Hebrew: shamad שמד; meaning: destroyed, exterminate, annihilated, devastated]
[Hebrew: naphal נפל; meaning: cast down, fail, waste away, overturn, knock down, fall]
[Hebrew: 'akal אכל; meaning: to eat, devour, consume, to be wasted, destroyed]
[Hebrew: chacal חסל; meaning: to consume, eaten up, bring to an end]
[Hebrew: tamam תמם; meaning: to be complete, finished, at an end, consumed, exhausted]
[Hebrew: 'oklah אכלה; meaning: object of devouring, consuming in judgment]
[Hebrew: maqaq מקק; meaning: to decay, pine away, rot, fester, corrupt, dissolve]
[Hebrew: guwz גוז; meaning: to pass over, pass away (of life), cut off]
[Hebrew: yatsath יצת; meaning: to be burned up, to be made desolate, set on fire]
[Hebrew: sĕrephah שרפה; meaning: burning, burn, burnt up throughly]

[Greek: apollymi ἀπόλλυμι; meaning: to destroy, put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, render useless, kill, perish]
[Greek: lyō λύω; meaning: loosed, undone, annul, dissolve, do away with, overthrow, break up]
[Greek: katalyō καταλύω; meaning: dissolved, disunite, overthrow, render vain, bring to naught]
[Greek: analiskō ἀναλίσκω; meaning: to expend, consume, destroy]
[Greek: phtheirō φθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, to destroy, to perish, deprave]
[Greek: diaphtheirō διαφθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, consume, destroy, kill, eat up, ruin]
[Greek: aphanizō ἀφανίζω; meaning: to snatch away, take away, to make unseen, to destroy, consume, to make vanish]
[Greek: phthora φθορά; meaning: corruption, destruction, perishing, decay]
[Greek: kataphtheirō καταφθείρω; meaning: to corrupt, deprave, to destroy, perish]
[Greek: ekkoptō ἐκκόπτω; meaning: hewn down, cut off or out]
[Greek: apokoptō ἀποκόπτω; meaning: cut off, amputate]
[Greek: nekros νεκρός; meaning: lifeless, dead, deceased, breathed ones last, inanimate, inactive]
[Greek: nekroō νεκρόω; meaning: dead, put to death, to deprive of power, destroy the strength]
[Greek: apothnēskō ἀποθνῄσκω; meaning: to die, perish, dry up, eternal death]
[Greek: empi(m)prēmi ἐμπί(μ)πρημι; meaning: burn up, destroy by fire]
[Greek: katakaiō κατακαίω; meaning: to burn up, consume by fire]​

Other passages can also be looked at individually, and such terms like "unquenchable", "eternal", "for ever and ever", "everlasting", etc and their Biblical use in terms of the righteous and the wicked in context.

Begin to ask, where are the all of the wicked [including Satan and his angels] standing in Revelation 20:8-9? Do they [the wicked] live there eternally or are they rather not completely destroyed so that the New Heaven and the New Earth may be created there, wherein dwelleth righteousness, peace, no more tears, pain or sorrow or sin or satan?

"...and there was found no place for them." Revelation 20:11; & Daniel 2:35.

John 3:16 says Perish or Everlasting Life [the wicked receive no such gift as everlasting life [there are no immortalized wicked anywhere and never will be], it is only a gift to the saved/just/righteous].

Additionally, it is the Righteous who will dwell with everlasting burnings (Isaiah 33:14), for God is a consuming fire [to sin and of Love] (Deuteronomy 4:24, 9:3; Hebrews 12:29) and His ministers a flame of fire (Psalms 104:4; Hebrews 1:7) and His Throne of Fire (Daniel 7:9; Revelation 4:5) and His speech fire (2 Samuel 22:9; Psalms 18:8) for He is a purifying fire (Malachi 3:3) and it is they who have the victory over sin who stand upon the sea of glass mingled with fire (Revelation 15:2), and will be as the burning bush which was not consumed (Exodus 3:3), not the wicked [they are burnt up into smoke and ashes at the meeting out of Judgment, they are perished.

 

[101G]

I have already shared that "God" in vs 26 is the Person/Being of the Father speaking to the Son, and witnessed by the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GINOLJC, to all. you just told a falsehood. for the the Lord Jesus God himself countered that false statement of yours. it seems you don't believe the Lord Jesus when he clearly said "he" one person made man male and female in the beginning. THAT RIGHT THERE CONDRIDICT ANY "WE" OR "US" AT GENESIS 1:26.

and the reason why you ERROR, because you have no clue what God ment by "US" and "OUR". he was not speaking to the "Son"... lol... oh my God. no, nor was he speaking to any angels either. he, God the LORD JESUS was speaking prophetic of his coming in flesh and blood as a man which happen at John 1:1. this is confirmed by God himself through the apostle Paul writing in Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
that "figure" to come is God imange in flesh and blood. not there in the garden, but to come. for Adam is that IMAGE to come. scripture, Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
WHAT WAS MADE? man. man is the IMAGE of God to come himself in flesh. the ordinal LAST.

I am a true believer in the Trio, the Three Persons/Beings.

if you and the rest of your remment of SDA believe that then you all are still in the wilderness LOST.

I am a true believer in the Trio, the Three Persons/Beings. The questions your raise are not difficult, in the least, and have all been answered in detail. Yet, the answers you give me that I ask about, contradict your own position.

You tell me that God the Father cannot receive "power" and then turn right around and tell me that Jesus, who you claim is the Father and the Son and Spirit, received "power", even going so far as to say He received it from Himself, being both on the Throne and before the Throne at the same instance, which is a logical error.

see how ignorant you are? did I not say Jesus is the Father the ordinal "FIRST? did i not say that. it's your lack of understanding that have misguided you.

now point blank, do you have any UNDERSTANDING of God being the ordinal "First"/LORD/Father, and the ordinal "LAST"/Lord/Son? well do you? NO. that's why you argue from Ignorance and get reprove every time.

so again you're corrected, and reproved.

PICJAG.

 

[kcnalp]

No. Jesus is God, Deity, I AM, uncreated Creator, Almighty, &c, but not the Person/Being of the Father, neither the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

How can Jesus be a different God than the Father? How many Gods do you believe in?

We deny the false and blasphemous doctrine of devils which teaches eternal torment. We acknowledge "hell" and "hell fire", and "lake of fire" (which will utterly consume the wicked in the time to come into smoke and ashes, and be no more). Most people misunderstand "hell" in the bible.

So, God will burn them ALIVE but not forever?

Matthew 25:41-46 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[ReChoired]

How can Jesus be a different God than the Father? How many Gods do you believe in?

Depends on what you mean by the word "God". The Bible identifies many "Gods". For instance:

Gen_3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.​

This texts shows that Adam and Eve were as "gods" which only knew Good, before they disobeyed, and after they disobeyed, they were as "gods" knowing Good and Evil. Does this mean that they were Deity? No. It means they had Dominion, Rulership over the earth in Stewardship to JEHOVAH. They were made in the "image" and "likeness" of God, and as such before sin, shared in His divine character (fruits of the Spirit - Love and all that goes in it).

This is confirmed in Psalms 82 and John 10:

Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Psa_82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Joh_10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?​

Again, please take careful note, in that when Jesus said this, quoting the Psalms, He is not saying that mankind was by nature "Deity", "Eternal", "Inherently Immortal", or existed previosuly, etc. He is saying that they were "children of the Most High" and had His character.

So, like I said, it depends on what you mean by the word "God". Another, use, is the devil and his fallen angels:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)​

They are "called gods", but are not actually Deity in nature. They have a rulership over others, a position of authority, whether it is usurped (as the devil and his angels), or in reality, as the unfallen leaders of the unfallen worlds have (as Adam had of this world in the beginning, designated "sons of God").

The word "God" can mean "Deity" by nature (such as the "form of God"), such as the Father and Son share. The "nature" of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a mystery that the Bible does not explain, yet it does call Him "God" also, and is called the Holy Spirit of JEHOVAH.

Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:​

The word "God" can refer to "Godhead" (or Family JEHOVAH, such as the Father, and the Son and the Holy Ghost), such as in Genesis 1:1 (elohiym, true plural, 3 or more).

The word "God" can refer to specific and individual persons of Godhead, such as God the Father:

Joh_6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

The word "God" can refer to specific and individual persons of Godhead, such as the Son of the Father:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

Yet, the Son, has "God" (His Father) above Him (but is equal with His Father in Deity Nature, Eternality, character), whom He (Jesus) always honours and obeys:

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Gen_41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.​

The word "God" can refer to specific and individual persons of Godhead, such as the Holy Ghost/Spirit of JEHOVAH:

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.​

So, it will depend on what you mean.

 

[ReChoired]

So, God will burn them ALIVE but not forever?

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I would only ask that you consider the whole of scripture, and the context of the single verse you have cited, so that it is not taken out of context, but defined by the Bible, and not by how you think those words ought to be defined.

Heaven is eternal, no doubt, for God Himself is Eternal Life, and the redeemed will be indwelt by God throughout eternity, but the wicked are not so indwelt, but are found to be outside of God, rather than abiding in God. And since they are found outside of God, they are found outside of eternal life.

You believe in "eternal salvation", but that doesn't mean being (constantly) "saved", does it.

How then are the wicked to have eternal existence?

As shown, the words, of Revelation 20:10, "even for ever and ever", are Koine Greek, "εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων", which when seen in their context, locally and globally through the scripture [KJB], do not always mean eternal, but can mean limited in time, and can even deal with distance, or even spacial ["world"].

Can an "αιων" [aiwn, aeon, in either time, distance or space] come to an end? Yes, even as Paul shows in Hebrews:

Hebrew 9:26 KJB - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrew 9:26 KJB - επει εδει αυτον πολλακις παθειν απο καταβολης κοσμου νυν δε απαξ επι συντελεια των αιωνων εις αθετησιν αμαρτιας δια της θυσιας αυτου πεφανερωται​

Notice, "end of the world [aeon]". Notice again:

Titus 2:12 KJB - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Titus 2:12 KJB - παιδευουσα ημας ινα αρνησαμενοι την ασεβειαν και τας κοσμικας επιθυμιας σωφρονως και δικαιως και ευσεβως ζησωμεν εν τω νυν αιωνι​

Notice, "in this present world [aeon]", which indicates that there is an end to the current "world", or existence, and another "world" [aeon], or existence, to follow after it. Thus and "aeon" can come to an end, and is not necessarily eternal. See also "since the world began", "before this world", "this present evil world", "this world", in Matthew 12:32, Matthew 13:22, Matthew 13:39-40 (2), Matthew 13:49, Matthew 24:3, Matthew 28:20, Mark 4:19, Mark 10:30, Luke 1:70, Luke 16:8, Luke 18:30, Luke 20:34-35 (2), John 9:32, Acts 3:21, Acts 15:18, Romans 12:2, 1 Corinthians 1:20, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 (4), 1 Corinthians 3:18, 1 Corinthians 8:13, 1 Corinthians 10:11, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Galatians 1:4, Ephesians 1:21, Ephesians 3:9, Ephesians 3:21, Ephesians 6:12, 1 Timothy 6:17, 2 Timothy 4:10, Tit 2:12, Hebrews 6:5, Hebrews 9:26; and etc. We now see that "aeon's" can begin, and end, and are not always ongoing without ceasing, and thus context always determines the length, distance, existence, etc.

Notice how the Bible uses the word "for ever":

Jonah 2:6 KJB - I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Jonah 2:6 (2:7) (so-called) LXX - κατέβην εἰς γῆν, ἧς οἱ μοχλοὶ αὐτῆς κάτοχοι αἰώνιοι, καὶ ἀναβήτω φθορὰ ζωῆς μου, κύριε ὁ θεός μου.​

In both distance and time, it is impossible for the word "for ever" in Jonah to be eternal, or without end. Not only does earth have limited space [thus "ends of the earth", dry land is earth, see Genesis 1], but Jonah was only 3 days and 3 nights, timewise, in the belly:

Jonah 1:17 KJB - Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.​

Therefore, in either care, "for ever" is limited, in this instance, in distance and time.

In Deuteronomy 23:3 KJB, “forever” means 10 generations. It can also mean “as long as he lives,” or “to death.”; thus see 1 Samuel 1:22, 28; Exodus 21:6; Psalm 48:14 KJB.

The redeemed will have eternal life, because Jesus is eternal life, but the wicked will never have eternal existence:

Psalms 21:4 KJB - He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.

Ecclesiastes 8:13 KJB - But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God.​

Iniquity must be purged and cleansed from the universe, and it will not happen until the wicked cease to be:

Isaiah 22:14 KJB - And it was revealed in mine ears by the LORD of hosts, Surely this iniquity shall not be purged from you till ye die, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

Psalms 37:10 KJB - For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.​

When will these verses be fulfilled in your understanding:

Malachi 4:1 KJB - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Malachi 4:3 KJB - And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.​

The example of the burning bush, is the perfect example of Christ Jesus in us [the redeemed] in type. It is not an example of how the wicked will be, since Christ Jesus is not in them:

Penitently redeemed:

John 14:20 KJB - At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 15:4 KJB Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Exodus 3:2 KJB - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.​

Stubbornly wicked:

John 5:38 KJB - And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

John 8:37 KJB - I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

John 5:42 KJB - But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

Exodus 33:5 KJB - For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.​

You do not know it, but you are actually blaspheming God's very name an character by teaching what you teach. Think carefully about it, please.

Notice the contrast between Exodus 3:2, with Christ Jesus in the midst of the bush, and the bush was "not consumed", and then see Exodus 33:5, wherein the peoples did not have Christ Jesus abiding within, and were about to be totally "consumed".

Did the global flood of Noah kill all of the finally impentient outside of the Ark in one single instant of time?, or was there not rather various lengths of time, and degrees of injuries sustained throughout, that people continued to receive and live through, until all were finally destroyed from the face of the earth? with some instantly perishing, and others taking days to finally die either by beast, other men attempting to escape their doom fighting for the highest ground, starvation, thirst, hurling and heaving earth, or finally drown beneath the black depths ...

In 2 Peter 2:5 [see also 2 Peter 3:6] KJB, Peter says "flood upon the world", yet in the koine Greek, it is "κατακλυσμον κοσμω", a 'cosmic cataclysm'. Such devastation and destruction as has never been known, and will never again be known [by water], but will again be by fire. If one were to read Genesis 7-8 KJB carefully they will see that it took some time for all [human-kind] outside of the ark to finally perish, and not all perished at the same time. The wages for sin is death, even from Genesis 2:17 KJB, but the final punishment, being death, is preceded by terrors, anguish, torment, all limited and depending upon the deeds done in the body [Romans 2:6; Jude 1:15 KJB], as it is written.

So to die of thirst in such a cataclysm takes several days, while being crushed by a large piece of exploded land, or tree, or debris is near instantaneous. Each is just. Each received the length of time in torment, suffering, that was due, and both received the final end, death.

Yes, brother, the "punishment" is indeed "eternal". For the "wages of sin is death", that being the "second death".

The "torment", or the "suffering" unto that death, is limited. The suffering or torment is not eternal, as I have shown in the case of Jesus Christ, who took upon Himself the sins of the whole world. His suffering though tremendous, more than any other could endure [for just our own sins would crush us], and yet, it was limited. Hence the phrase, "once suffered", meaning it is in the past, and is over and done with, thus it was limited in time.

 

[ReChoired]

So, God will burn them ALIVE but not forever?

Matthew 25:41-46 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Yes the "fire" is "everlasting", for God Himself (who is everlasting) is the all consuming "fire" of love:

Deu_4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deu_9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

Heb_12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Gen_21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.​

The wicked cannot survive in Him, for in Him is no sin.

As for "everlasting punishment", Yes, the "punishment" is indeed everlasting, for the wages of sin is Death (not eternal torment), see Romans 6:23

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.​

Notice that the text does not say "everlasting punishing".

Notice, Egypt as symbol of the worldliness that shall receive their "punishment":

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.​

The wicked will be utterly consumed and destroyed, annihilated (gone forever with no possibility of being resurrected ever again):

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

They will be gone - forever.

Psa_37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.​

 

[kcnalp]

Depends on what you mean by the word "God".

You can't be serious. There is ONLY one true God and He is Jesus.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
Gen 1 God created the heavens and the earth!

 

[kcnalp]

The suffering or torment is not eternal,

Have ever read the Bible? The terms EVERLASTING, ETERNAL and FOREVER are throughout the NT.

 

[ReChoired]

Have ever read the Bible?

Yes - One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

The terms EVERLASTING, ETERNAL and FOREVER are throughout the NT.

Indeed, and that's why I took the time to scripturally define what the words actually mean. One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

 

[ReChoired]

You can't be serious. There is ONLY one true God and He is Jesus.

Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
Gen 1 God created the heavens and the earth!

What does the word "and" mean, definitionally?

 

[ReChoired]

it seems you don't believe the Lord Jesus when he clearly said "he" one person made man male and female in the beginning. THAT RIGHT THERE CONDRIDICT ANY "WE" OR "US" AT GENESIS 1:26.

Wait. You believe the Bible contradicts itself, but your theology doesn't contradict itself?

 

[101G]

Wait. You believe the Bible contradicts itself, but your theology doesn't contradict itself?

GINOLJC, to all.
First your assessment of the Bible, the Lord Jesus, and Me are incorrect. the bible never contradicts itself,. nor do the Lord Jesus, or I with the bible, or the Lord Jesus.
second, I have no theology of my own that I made upi..... lol, no. .... but I have God's Theology, who gave his theology to me, which is TRUTH.

and it seem you cannot understand what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4... (smile), lol. see, it's not the bible, nor the Lord Jesus or even me, that condridict oneself, it's YOU, for you YOU have no understanding or wisdom of God to KNOW and Understand what God, the LORD Jesus said at Genesis 1:26 & 27 and at Matthews 19:4.

that's your contradiction because you have no KNOWLEDGE of the scriptures. so we suggest YOU read Hebrews 5:12 to 14 and try again. we suggest you view the subject "Genesis 1:26 revisited, the ordinal First". ............ (smile).

PICJAG.

 

[ReChoired]

101G clearly said:

... it seems you don't believe the Lord Jesus when he clearly said "he" one person made man male and female in the beginning. THAT RIGHT THERE CONDRIDICT ANY "WE" OR "US" AT GENESIS 1:26. ...PICJAG.

Then 101G contradicts their own words, saying:

... the bible never contradicts itself ...PICJAG.

What we have then is a clear-cut case (documented even) of 101G contradicting themselves (again).

Look at the texts cited:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,​

Yep, the Father ("he") speaking to the Son, present with Him (Proverbs 8, John 1:1-3; 1 John 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:1-3; Colossians 1:12-19; &c) and witnessed by the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

The mankind, Adam and Eve represent the image and likeness of Godhead, showing that there are three Persons (The Father (as Adam), The Son (as Eve) and the Holy Ghost/Spirit (as God) uniting them together as family). Thus divorce, would represent the tearing asunder of the eternal unity that the existed between the family JEHOVAH (the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost/Spirit), and why it is hated:

Mal_2:16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
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Yet, in 101G's abominable heresy, the 'god' described by that corrupt theology is not love, for love cannot exist without those Three Persons/Beings. What 101G effectually describes in confusion is found in Revelation, but does not describe Godhead, but rather the iniquitous MYSTERY of the Devil, in which the Devil is a singular being, that plays three parts, being Behind the Dragon (which takes the place of the Father, and gives power unto the "Beast"), the Beast (which claims to take the place of the Son - Jesus, anti christos, vicarius christi) and the False Prophet (false and antichristian spirit, which receives power from the Beast before it to go into the world and speak of the Beast's attributes and false gospel).

 

[101G]

The mankind, Adam and Eve represent the image and likeness of Godhead, showing that there are three Persons (The Father (as Adam), The Son (as Eve) and the Holy Ghost/Spirit (as God) uniting them together as family). Thus divorce, would represent the tearing asunder of the eternal unity that the existed between the family JEHOVAH (the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost/Spirit), and why it is hated:

BIG ERROR, Eve is the "ANOTHER" of the man called "ADAM, for the term Adam means "ANOTHER" .

H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119

there it is "Another" the ordinal Last, the the Son, the Lord is ANOTHER of the ordinal First, the Father, the LORD...
and is backed up in Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
and this figure is the ANOTHER, or the EQUAL Share that Philippians 2:6 certify, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" BINGO, being is present tense... (smile).

so again, you're reproved.

PICJAG.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Actually, it's not. Jesus said the words He spoke were the Father's. So, there is only one almighty and that is the Father. Paul too acknowledges that the Father spoke through the Son.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Heb. 1:1-2 KJV)

God has spoken through His Son and His Son spoke His words. Also notice that Paul says, his Son. God can't be His own Son. That doesn't work.
We also know from the Nicene Creed that the early Christians didn't believe that God and His Son were the same being.

Here is how the Creed begins.

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Notice that it says "God of God". The word "of" is the Greek word "ek" which literally means. to come out of. So, what they are saying is, God out of God. The Son was begotten out of God before all worlds. He came out of God.

We also have the witness of the man who is credited with coining the term Trinity as it pertains to the Scriptures.

Tertullian, Against Praxeas, Chapter 4.

But as for me, who derive the Son from no other source but from the substance of the Father, and (represent Him) as doing nothing without the Father’s will, and as having received all power from the Father, how can I be possibly destroying the Monarchy from the faith, when I preserve it in the Son just as it was committed to Him by the Father? The same remark (I wish also to be formally) made by me with respect to the third degree in the Godhead, because I believe the Spirit to proceed from no other source than from the Father through the Son. Look to it then, that it be not you rather who are destroying the Monarchy, when you overthrow the arrangement and dispensation of it, which has been constituted in just as many names as it has pleased God to employ. But it remains so firm and stable in its own state, notwithstanding the introduction into it of the Trinity, that the Son actually has to restore it entire to the Father; even as the apostle says in his epistle, concerning the very end of all: “When He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; for He must reign till He hath put all enemies under His feet; ” following of course the words of the Psalm: “Sit Thou on my right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.” “When, however, all things shall be subdued to Him, (with the exception of Him who did put all things under Him, ) then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.” We thus see that the Son is no obstacle to the Monarchy, although it is now administered by the Son; because with the Son it is still in its own state, and with its own state will be restored to the Father by the Son. No one, therefore, will impair it, on account of admitting the Son (to it), since it is certain that it has been committed to Him by the Father, and by and by has to be again delivered up by Him to the Father. Now, from this one passage of the epistle of the inspired apostle, we have been already able to show that the Father and the Son are two separate Persons, not only by the mention of their separate names as Father and the Son, but also by the fact that He who delivered up the kingdom, and He to whom it is delivered up—and in like manner, He who subjected (all things), and He to whom they were subjected—must necessarily be two different Beings.
Early Church Fathers - – Ante-Nicene Fathers: The Writings of the Fathers Down To A.D. 325.

“...We believe in The H.S., Who proceeds from The Father and The Son...”

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

“I and The Father are one”

 

[101G]

“...We believe in The H.S., Who proceeds from The Father and The Son...”

the Titles Father, and Son is the Holy Spirit.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

“...We believe in The H.S., Who proceeds from The Father and The Son...”

is this not the Lord Jesus, listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

did not the LORD Jesus come on Pentecost? manifesting himself in The Spiritual Gifts?

PICJAG

 

[kcnalp]

Yes - One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

No proof? Of course not.

Indeed, and that's why I took the time to scripturally define what the words actually mean. One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

IOW, you are trying to rewrite the Bible.

Revelation 22
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.

Jesus is God!

 

[kcnalp]

Yes - One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

Indeed, and that's why I took the time to scripturally define what the words actually mean. One of the biggest mistakes. -John 1:1

You're not trying to "define", you're trying to CHANGE what God said.