Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy

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Okay...this was my first time to ever hear Him speaking to me....

I went to church all my life, got saved when I was 7. After I became an adult I joined the adult Sunday service. We had a wonderful pastor who just happened to preach his sermon on the very sin I committed that week. At the end of the sermon he invited anyone who needed to come to the alter to rededicate, get saved or be delivered to come forward. I was there every single service. One Sunday after church and getting saved again I went home threw my body on the floor and cried to God uncontrollably and said "I give up, this Christianity thing is too hard and no matter how I try I seem to always mess up!"
Then I heard a voice, it wasn't really audible to my ears but it was very audible in my mind. It said to me "Patty, who do you think I am?"....instinctively somehow I knew he expected me to say something so I said you are God...He asked a second time, I replied a little more hesitantly since the 1st answer didn't seem to be right and said "umm The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the I AM...(I got it right this time for sure!)...then He asked a 3RD TIME!!! I stuttered and searched my memory of what I was taught about who God is and finally I said what do you want me to say...
He replied soooooo lovingly and tender and said "I am your Father, and as much as you love your daughter so much more do I love you that you can't comprehend it. As your daughter grows up and makes mistakes you will correct her, discipline her at times but never ever ever will you stop loving her because of her mistakes. And neither will I stop loving you just because you make a mistake. Allow yourself to be led of the spirit, repent daily and always forgive...as I will always forgive you. Seek Me daily, walk with me, talk with me, tell me what's on your heart. I AM YOUR FATHER!" So wow..
I was approximately 23 y.o. when this happened and it liberated me from condemnation. I now know I am truly saved! Amen!

I apologies I mist that one. My bad. You make me envious, Wow! that is truly a blessing and very personal and just for you, but it is edifying for others to hear. I have never had a conversation with God. When I do hear from God it is normally 2,3 or 4 words Just telling me to do some thing. Maybe that is a good thing. A conversation may not go very well.
it wasn't really audible to my ears but it was very audible in my mind. Me to.
God asked you 3 times, like Jesus asked Peter. Wow again.
Thanks for posting it again. God Bless.
 

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And what was hard to understand and explain to others is how I knew it was Him....I just knew!
No one taught me how to hear Him, what it would sound like when He spoke, whether it would be audibly or in my spirit....no one taught me anything about hearing His voice. I just had faith it was Him speaking and I knew instantly it was His voice.

That's like me when I was 10 yrs old I had heard about the Holy Spirit, but to me it was just a name. At the time I didn't know The Holy Spirit came as a mighty rushing wind. But I sure felt it. It made me duck when it hit me.
God Bless.
 
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I apologies I mist that one. My bad. You make me envious, Wow! that is truly a blessing and very personal and just for you, but it is edifying for others to hear. I have never had a conversation with God. When I do hear from God it is normally 2,3 or 4 words Just telling me to do some thing. Maybe that is a good thing. A conversation may not go very well.
it wasn't really audible to my ears but it was very audible in my mind. Me to.
God asked you 3 times, like Jesus asked Peter. Wow again.
Thanks for posting it again. God Bless.
You're welcome....I love your testimony...and the thing about sharing a testimony is that it Glorifies God and gives hope to the ones who hear it...
We should all be testifying of what He has done in our lives because someone might be desperate and hoping for God to move in their lives as well.
 
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My experience has been that people don't know when He is speaking or how recognize His voice when He is speaking to them.
I had a friend who.would call me all the time asking if I would pray and see if God had a word for her. I would intercede and He would give me a word to give her. Then one day He said tell her she needs to learn to hear from me herself, I am not going to give her another word through you.
So she called me a couple of days later and I told her what God said....she was soooo upset and said "I can't hear Him like you can!" I said yes you can and you will....just listen.
It's not that He isn't speaking...it's people don't have faith that they are hearing Him speak.

Most often God speaks through our conscience, because He wants us to make our own decisions, albeit being informed by His wisdom and guidance. He doesn't want to treat us as slaves, but as children, who the Father can trust to make decisions that honor Him.

I think that's why we don't hear directly from God a lot. Besides this, if He spoke directly to us, we would rely on that all the time, and would become puffed up in pride, telling everybody how to run their lives.

There are certainly times when God speaks audibly to some people. These are probably pretty important occasions. But as I said, most often we follow the natural gifts that God has given us, and make moral choices in every place we find ourselves. There is a lot of freedom with God. We just have to ensure we stay close to Him in all of our choices.

We can be sure that He speaks through our circumstances. Circumstances dictate to us what the best choices are, and what choices are positively wrong. For example, we don't run roughshod over someone who has concerns about what we wish to do. We have to be servants of all.
 

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Most often God speaks through our conscience, because He wants us to make our own decisions, albeit being informed by His wisdom and guidance. He doesn't want to treat us as slaves, but as children, who the Father can trust to make decisions that honor Him.

I think that's why we don't hear directly from God a lot. Besides this, if He spoke directly to us, we would rely on that all the time, and would become puffed up in pride, telling everybody how to run their lives.

There are certainly times when God speaks audibly to some people. These are probably pretty important occasions. But as I said, most often we follow the natural gifts that God has given us, and make moral choices in every place we find ourselves. There is a lot of freedom with God. We just have to ensure we stay close to Him in all of our choices.

We can be sure that He speaks through our circumstances. Circumstances dictate to us what the best choices are, and what choices are positively wrong. For example, we don't run roughshod over someone who has concerns about what we wish to do. We have to be servants of all.
Eehhh...no....
He talks to me everyday...we have a relationship and I love talking with Him...
So I have to disagree with your suggestion...He told me to talk to Him daily...He loves our time together...and when I am praising and worshipping Him in song He enters my praises and I can feel His presence so strong that I can't help but cry tears of joy....I have never felt such love as I do when I am in His presence.
 

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Eehhh...no....
He talks to me everyday...we have a relationship and I love talking with Him...
So I have to disagree with your suggestion...He told me to talk to Him daily...He loves our time together...and when I am praising and worshipping Him in song He enters my praises and I can feel His presence so strong that I can't help but cry tears of joy....I have never felt such love as I do when I am in His presence.
@Heart2Soul Such a joy and privilege to meditate prayerfully on Scripture, right? :)
 

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You're welcome....I love your testimony...and the thing about sharing a testimony is that it Glorifies God and gives hope to the ones who hear it...
We should all be testifying of what He has done in our lives because someone might be desperate and hoping for God to move in their lives as well.
Another takeaway from your testimony, Is your friend wanted a word from God. But God put an end to it because HE wanted a personal relationship with her. Assume!
 

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That was fulfilled in 1948 or 1967, IMO.

1948 they became a nation again.

1967 they got Jerusalem back.

The way I see it is like a storm approaching, first you feel the winds changing, then clouds become visible and then rain comes, 1948, 1967 and now this build off one another pointing to the soon return of Jesus. There is great comfort in this, and this is not meant to be about setting dates.... we are one step closer to the second coming.... I Hope everyone can rejoice in that.
 

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I will post a quote I made about it if you will read it.

Blessings in Christ Jesus pompadour! Perhaps I can shed a little Light on a mystery. Before, I confirmed this testimony of yours. That is because The Spirit bears witness to The Spirit. (Elizabeth and Mary). Some times The Lord is in The Wind. With Isiah, The Lord was not in the wind, but spoke with the still small voice. The Power from on High came by way of The Wind. With me, because of my calling, even though I am not worthy, The Lord has been in The Wind. Many times while I was at work and my Afib was so bad that I could bear it any longer The Wind would come and and I could feel(perceive) The Presence of The Lord. There is no mistaken that. After that, my heart was normal rythum and color came back to my face. I was then able to finish out my day because of The Lord's mercy and faithfulness. He is so Good. Other times, While walking across a parking lot, say Walmart, a mighty Wind has come up and from feeling The Lord's Presence I began walking in The Spirit from walking in the flesh. It is at these times The Words flow like a river to those that are thirsty. There is so much joy and peace in Christ Jesus that words can not describe it.(that their joy may be full). It is The Lord that sees the beginning from the end, and sometimes when we are young, He does something that in the future, He knows we will bear witness to. He has done it with me. In part, this is to show us that He was there all along. Watching and waiting until the perfect day.
 

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But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (1 Corinthians 2:7-10)
Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy
Well you did have to ask. You're a nice guy, David, a brother in Christ and I discern that you hope to find agreement with your assertion, but for me the text says it's a Parable. Like other Parables that use everday objects and activities, the reference here to the fig tree is because of the familiar annually observed occurrence of leaves and fruit being produced, unless something is wrong with it, and the point of the Parable is to emphasise observance of things in their season, particularly the signs of the end of the age as mentioned in the text prior to the Fig Tree Parable.

For me, the germination of antique date palm seeds doesn't inspire an observation that the Rapture, Tribulation and Apocalypse is kicking off tomorrow.
 
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Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy
Well you did have to ask. You're a nice guy, David, a brother in Christ and I discern that you hope to find agreement with your assertion, but for me the text says it's a Parable. Like other Parables that use everday objects and activities, the reference here to the fig tree is because of the familiar annually observed occurrence of leaves and fruit being produced, unless something is wrong with it, and the point of the Parable is to emphasise observance of things in their season, particularly the signs of the end of the age as mentioned in the text prior to the Fig Tree Parable.

For me, the germination of antique date palm seeds doesn't inspire an observation that the Rapture, Tribulation and Apocalypse is kicking off tomorrow.

When Jesus cursed the fig tree was this just a parable to show the apostles that if they have faith they can move mountains? or was it prophetic of the events to come in Israel in 70 Ad? The Parable of the ten virgins is a parable that refers to end times as well. The secrets of the Kingdom are concealed in the parables of Jesus (Matthew 13:11) To deny these revelations is to deny divine revelation in principle. What I am saying is not contradicting the simple reading of the passage which you are pointing to, but showing the depth of these mysteries that are contained in the word of God which the truth of are revealed by the Holy Ghost. In Hebrew study of scripture this is known as PARDES... see Link below:

PARDES levels of Biblical interpretation (yashanet.com)
 
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Though this is interesting, there is no prophecy stating that the 2nd Coming would take place in the same generation that Israel is restored to statehood! That would be a false prophecy, since Israel became a state in 1948 and it is now past the length of a generation.

Jesus actually stated, in his Olivet Discourse, that the same generation as his apostles would see the destruction of the temple, stone by stone. That is, in my opinion, beyond dispute (although I'm sure some would still like to dispute it).
Jesus did not say after x numbers of years. He literally claimed the generation would not all die out. What earth do you live on where humans live and all die corporately, each x number of years? Generations are staggered, overlap. At least 3 Generations were experiencing 1948 at the same time. Which generation do you arbitrarily choose is the generation that does not all die before the return? You cannot, so you default to a time period, except that is not the point being made.

Jesus did not explicitly state, "70 years after 1948 would be the last chance at my return." Which btw would be 2018. If Jesus was talking about those 70 years old in 1948, living until the Second Coming they would now be over 140. Should we be checking to see who is 140, and when they die, prove 1948 meant nothing?

The point would be that many would be alive in 1948 would also be alive at the Second Coming. It was not about date setting with numbers at all.

It was also not about the destruction of the temple. That was not even in the answer given to His disciples. There was no fig tree blooming in the first century. The majority of what Jesus claimed, in the OD, can only happen after the fig tree blooming, not prior to.

The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple had to happen first. The fig tree blooming was the result of the 70AD event, because the tree was "uprooted and destroyed". So it's blooming could not happen before it was destroyed. It's blooming could only happen after it was a tree again.
 
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Eehhh...no....
He talks to me everyday...we have a relationship and I love talking with Him...
So I have to disagree with your suggestion...He told me to talk to Him daily...He loves our time together...and when I am praising and worshipping Him in song He enters my praises and I can feel His presence so strong that I can't help but cry tears of joy....I have never felt such love as I do when I am in His presence.

You seem to have turned it around. Now you're talking about *you* talking to Him! I never said we don't talk to Him. That's called prayer. That's called Walking with God.

I'm talking about God speaking *audibly* to us. Is that what you're claiming you do every day? If so, I seriously doubt it. I don't think God trusts us enough to be that intimate, although we'd all like that. Perhaps we just have to prove ourselves over the long run, until we're mature enough to handle His power and majesty?
 

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Jesus did not say after x numbers of years. He literally claimed the generation would not all die out. What earth do you live on where humans live and all die corporately, each x number of years? Generations are staggered, overlap. At least 3 Generations were experiencing 1948 at the same time. Which generation do you arbitrarily choose is the generation that does not all die before the return? You cannot, so you default to a time period, except that is not the point being made.

I don't believe Jesus assigned *in advance* any generation that will see the end. We are obligated to minister in the generation we find ourselves.

The generation that sees the Antichrist reign for 3.5 years will see the end, if they survive. The generation that rejected Christ would see the fall of Jerusalem.

Jesus did not explicitly state, "70 years after 1948 would be the last chance at my return." Which btw would be 2018. If Jesus was talking about those 70 years old in 1948, living until the Second Coming they would now be over 140. Should we be checking to see who is 140, and when they die, prove 1948 meant nothing?

The point would be that many would be alive in 1948 would also be alive at the Second Coming. It was not about date setting with numbers at all.

Obviously, we're not talking about 70 years olds in *any* generation! But the generation we're talking about, ie in the Olivet Discourse, were to see the fall of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman Army. That is absolutely clear to me, even if it isn't to anybody else.

It was also not about the destruction of the temple. That was not even in the answer given to His disciples. There was no fig tree blooming in the first century. The majority of what Jesus claimed, in the OD, can only happen after the fig tree blooming, not prior to.

The fig tree was a metaphor of Israel, who should've been producing children for God, or fruit for God. Instead of fruit, they developed, and produced only stillborn children, so to speak. The leaves indicated a development, and Christ represented that development. But instead of producing fruit, Israel produced no fruit at all.

The leaves indicated the birth pains of coming judgment. Those Israel produced at that time were storing up judgment for themselves, by opposing and rejecting Christ. The birth pains were the beginning signs of a soon-to-come judgment against Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple.

These signs were all apparent in Jesus' generation. The Roman signs of approaching war in Israel were everywhere, as Romans were putting down revolts everywhere. There were in fact earthquakes at that time, along with the persecution of believers by unbelievers in Israel, making their judgment certain and imminent.

And so, they did see the Roman Army surrounding Jerusalem, the "Abomination of Desolation." And Jesus did say it would happen in that generation.
 
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And so, they did see the Roman Army surrounding Jerusalem, the "Abomination of Desolation." And Jesus did say it would happen in that generation.
Jesus said it will be the generation; of the people alive when the fig tree buds, who will see the AoD of a man sitting in the Temple declaring himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:4
The notion that any of this has happened is wrong. [the fig tree budded', in May 1948]
 
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Jesus did not say after x numbers of years. He literally claimed the generation would not all die out. What earth do you live on where humans live and all die corporately, each x number of years? Generations are staggered, overlap. At least 3 Generations were experiencing 1948 at the same time. Which generation do you arbitrarily choose is the generation that does not all die before the return? You cannot, so you default to a time period, except that is not the point being made.

Jesus did not explicitly state, "70 years after 1948 would be the last chance at my return." Which btw would be 2018. If Jesus was talking about those 70 years old in 1948, living until the Second Coming they would now be over 140. Should we be checking to see who is 140, and when they die, prove 1948 meant nothing?

The point would be that many would be alive in 1948 would also be alive at the Second Coming. It was not about date setting with numbers at all.

It was also not about the destruction of the temple. That was not even in the answer given to His disciples. There was no fig tree blooming in the first century. The majority of what Jesus claimed, in the OD, can only happen after the fig tree blooming, not prior to.

The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple had to happen first. The fig tree blooming was the result of the 70AD event, because the tree was "uprooted and destroyed". So it's blooming could not happen before it was destroyed. It's blooming could only happen after it was a tree again.

It's really more simple than that. Jesus showed in His parable of the fig tree the generation that sees all those signs would not die out before His return. Doesn't matter how long one thinks that will be after the fig shoot is set out and sprouting leaves (i.e., 1948 with Israel becoming a nation again). It simply means that generation born in that time won't die out before Jesus' return.

And another thing His parable of the fig tree reveals. He said that final generation of the day of His coming will see all... those signs He gave there in His Olivet discourse. That includes the Matthew 24:1-3 sign of the not one stone atop another at the temple mount. But men's leaven doctrines of Preterism and Historicism tries to assign that destruction event to 70 A.D. by the Romans. When today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem get the go ahead to build their temple again in today's Jerusalem, and then start laying its cornerstones (which they already have cut), I'm going to be laughing at the shock the Preterists and Historicists are gonna' have on their faces.
 

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You seem to have turned it around. Now you're talking about *you* talking to Him! I never said we don't talk to Him. That's called prayer. That's called Walking with God.

I'm talking about God speaking *audibly* to us. Is that what you're claiming you do every day? If so, I seriously doubt it. I don't think God trusts us enough to be that intimate, although we'd all like that. Perhaps we just have to prove ourselves over the long run, until we're mature enough to handle His power and majesty?
Ever hear a song in your head? You hear the melody, the lyrics, the instruments and the voice of the singer....it's not audible outside to your ears but it is audible in your mind...
That is how I hear Him...and the best part is I haven't heard His voice audibly with my ears but when I heard Him speaking to me in my mind and spirit I knew it was His voice.
He said "my sheep hear my voice and no other voice will they follow"....we "hear" His voice.
Believe however you want...as for me I will not let anyone take away the testimony of Him and what He has done in my life.
 
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Jesus said it will be the generation; of the people alive when the fig tree buds, who will see the AoD of a man sitting in the Temple declaring himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:4
The notion that any of this has happened is wrong. [the fig tree budded', in May 1948]

I don't agree. Nothing in the passage itself suggests the AoD is a *man.* The idea that the AoD is the Antichrist is ludicrous, since the Antichrist isn't even mentioned in the discourse. Sorry, I can't buy into something that doesn't make sense to me, particularly when the interpretation I give does make sense to me!

And we don't even have to guess what the "fig tree" and its "leafing" represents. It represents the initial birth pangs of a generation that failed to produce fruit, and instead brought upon itself wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, and Christian persecution. These are the things we're told in Scripture itself that constitutes the budding of the fig tree! They were ripening for judgment!

Inserting the Antichrist where he doesn't belong, and inserting the modern rebirth of the State of Israel where it isn't even mentioned is obviously a questionable interpretation. I can't accept these kinds of interpretations in which something beyond the discussion is superimposed upon it.
 
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Classic "replacement theology" as taught traditionally in the Roman Catholic Church and some Protestant denominations is not biblically accurate. But neither is the view of their main opponents who advocate Messianic Judaism. The good figs of Judah -namely, the Apostles and those Jewish Christians who followed Jesus; were the ‘branches’ of the "tree", that were not cut off. Romans 11:17a

This fig tree producing good fruits, following Jesus the King of Judah, retained the right to be called by the tribal name of Judah. They are the "true Jews," as it were. Those who rejected Jesus and still continue to reject Him today, are rejected by God, Matthew 21:32, Revelation 2:9


Jeremiah 24:1-10 shows that God sees the nation of Judah as a fig tree and the nation was actually divided into two groups of people-those whose fruits were very good, and those whose fruits were very bad. This is really no different from any other nation, for there is not a nation in the world that has all righteous people or all unrighteous people. But in the case of Judah it is a matter of divine separation into two distinct fig trees, because God intended to treat them differently. He intended to give Judah’s dominion mandate to those who produced good fruit, and at the same time He intended to disinherit those who produced bad fruit.

Jesus Himself produced good fruit. He was born of a Judahite mother, as proven in the genealogies of Matthew 1 and Luke 3. But as the King of Judah, He was more than just a fig branch that was producing good fruit. He was, is, the root of the tree, to which were attached various branches that bore good fruit. Jesus said as much when He used a slightly different motif of the vine and branches:

John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it, that it may bear more fruit... I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

It is clear from this that only those who abide in Christ will bear the type of fruit that God is seeking. If one claims to be in Christ, but does not produce these fruits of the Kingdom, he is cut off. And " if anyone does not abide in Me," Jesus says, " he is thrown away as a branch and dries up. " Surely He had in mind those Jews who had rejected Him as Messiah. Only a few days earlier, Jesus had cursed the fig tree, and the disciples had marveled that it had dried up by the following morning. He was saying, then, that the people who produced no fruit: or, as Jeremiah put it, those who produced only inedible figs would be cut off and burned.

This is precisely what happened. Judah split into two factions, or two "trees." Those who accepted Jesus as Messiah became the branches of the good fig tree. These were the inheritors of the dominion mandate given to Judah. Of these, Jesus said He would prune them in order that they would bring forth even more fruit.

Those who refused to accept Jesus as Messiah were cut off and are no longer inheritors of the dominion mandate. Jesus clearly said that there is no way that anyone can bear the proper fruit apart from being attached to Christ. Ref: Stephen Jones
 
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