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Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of
the beast, or the number of his name.


Consider that as the mark was shown to be in several forms that it is indeed in several forms. The anti-christ does not "develop" the mark but merely unites the diverse marks of the world. Look up " RFID " Radio Frequency Identification it is a chip to be implanted in USA people. i am unsure how far this has been taken as of yet. Notice the above scripture gives several diverse forms of the "mark". I have seen web sites claiming its use is in the new health care bill.
 

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Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of
the beast, or the number of his name.


Consider that as the mark was shown to be in several forms that it is indeed in several forms. The anti-christ does not "develop" the mark but merely unites the diverse marks of the world. Look up " RFID " Radio Frequency Identification it is a chip to be implanted in USA people. i am unsure how far this has been taken as of yet. Notice the above scripture gives several diverse forms of the "mark". I have seen web sites claiming its use is in the new health care bill.

Those kind of things should cause brethren to go back and read the Rev.13 Scripture and start to believe what it says is really going to come to pass, don't you think?
 
Those kind of things should cause brethren to go back and read the Rev.13 Scripture and start to believe what it says is really going to come to pass, don't you think?

My friend it started years ago, ask any Christian or Jew that is stuck living in an Islamic controlled country where Sharia law is in effect. As Islam advances and gains control of more of the world Sharia law goes with it. Here is one excellent article that discusses this subject http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm and here is an Islamic website where you can read why some who actually claim the number, claim it! http://www.66619.org/ (turn your speakers on click on the skip intro) or http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm
Do a quick google, (yahoo or whatever search engine you prefer) search on quran 666
http://www.google.com/search?q=quran+666&rls=p,com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA
You might be surprised by what you find!
 

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Not sure, but If you are for some reason left behind, and someone tells you to give them your hand or to stand still, DO NOT NEVER EVER TAKE IT!!!!!!!!! Let them kill you for Jesus.
 

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My friend it started years ago, ask any Christian or Jew that is stuck living in an Islamic controlled country where Sharia law is in effect. As Islam advances and gains control of more of the world Sharia law goes with it. Here is one excellent article that discusses this subject http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm and here is an Islamic website where you can read why some who actually claim the number, claim it! http://www.66619.org/ (turn your speakers on click on the skip intro) or http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm
Do a quick google, (yahoo or whatever search engine you prefer) search on quran 666
http://www.google.com/search?q=quran+666&rls=p,com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GWYA
You might be surprised by what you find!


Here's what The Apostle John wrote in the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ - Is does not contradict what he wrote in his epistles, but rather expounds upon them.

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


Paul also wrote about this man, calling him the man of sin or son of perdition. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Paul goes on to say -

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Call him what you will - man of sin, son of perdition, the lawless one or the antichrist. The fact is scripture teaches that a world leader will rise up being empowered by Satan to deceive the world into taking the mark of the beast and worshiping the image of the beast.

Thanks, JLB
 

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I think the mark of the beast will be a slow process where by one will have to jump through a series of hoops in order to participate in the economy ultimately ending in a pysical mark on the body...can't buy or sell,God knows where the heart of man tends to dwell and that is where the final flam,es of testing will be...those alive at that time will be tested by that fire...i hope to be long dead and gone by then.
 

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The mark of beast is the number of man - unredeemed. It is described as the mark Roman slaves received on their right hand and their forehead. It is a call for all Christians to stay obedient and committed to Christ during the terrible persecutions in Rome. The Tribulation has already happened and the end of the world (Roman Empire) has happened and the 1000 year reign is happening (The Roman Empire converted to Christianity and beyond). We are now waiting for Christ's return.
 

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The mark of beast is the number of man - unredeemed. It is described as the mark Roman slaves received on their right hand and their forehead. It is a call for all Christians to stay obedient and committed to Christ during the terrible persecutions in Rome. The Tribulation has already happened and the end of the world (Roman Empire) has happened and the 1000 year reign is happening (The Roman Empire converted to Christianity and beyond). We are now waiting for Christ's return.


You said -

The mark of beast is the number of man - unredeemed.


The word says - for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Please tell when this event took place, that everyone on the planet could not by or sell ANYTHING unless they had this mark!

And also tell me what was the man's name!


16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


The tribulation is past. LOL !!!
 

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Hi Marta,

When the three Jews stood before Nebuchadnezzar, it was for their refusal to "bow" to the image. And so too when the one-world-government demands that all take an oath of allegiance, there will be some who refuse. (And as previously provided, if you are not enrolled in this cash-less electronic debit system you will not be able to buy and sell.)

The oath is not "spiritual", it's tangible; the enrollment is not "spiritual", it's tangible; and physical death is not "spiritual", it's tangible. But take heart in what happens next:


Rev. 20:4
4 ... Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


So in the end, if one sacrifices a few short years of our current existence, we gain 1,000 years of life in the Millennial Kingdom. A small price for a big reward. :)


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I know of an entire kingdom full of antichrist who deny Christ.
Who claim Christ has not come just a the bible states.
There are MANY and only the blind cant see them .
Millions upon millions.
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And yes I remember you veteran.
I rememeber who and what you support too.
Veteran is merely denying scripture to support his own version of Christianity. In his version, there is noone at fault for the evil in the world except for man himself. He can't see the clear picture of just WHO the enemy is. As you said, there is an entire NATION of people that not only deny Christ, but absolutely HATE Him and everything He represented. They are of their father the devil, and he was a murderer in the beginning, Cain, the descendants of Cain. Not the righteous seed of Adam.

And as far as Jews go, the 'jews' you speak of are Israelites, not Jews. The Israelites went to war with the jews, and it was the jews that killed Christ and to this day deny Him.

Now back to the topic, thoughts and actions? We are marked not 'on' but 'in' the hand and forehead, either with the mark of the beast, or the mark of God. Now, the hand is used in many instances to refer to action, and the forehead also represents the brain. Todays society is pretty disturbing, and choosing to accept it could very well be accepting 'the mark'. Although we shouldnt put it past man to create a form of economy that is all controlling.
 

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Veteran is merely denying scripture to support his own version of Christianity. In his version, there is noone at fault for the evil in the world except for man himself. He can't see the clear picture of just WHO the enemy is. As you said, there is an entire NATION of people that not only deny Christ, but absolutely HATE Him and everything He represented. They are of their father the devil, and he was a murderer in the beginning, Cain, the descendants of Cain. Not the righteous seed of Adam.

And as far as Jews go, the 'jews' you speak of are Israelites, not Jews. The Israelites went to war with the jews, and it was the jews that killed Christ and to this day deny Him.

Now back to the topic, thoughts and actions? We are marked not 'on' but 'in' the hand and forehead, either with the mark of the beast, or the mark of God. Now, the hand is used in many instances to refer to action, and the forehead also represents the brain. Todays society is pretty disturbing, and choosing to accept it could very well be accepting 'the mark'. Although we shouldnt put it past man to create a form of economy that is all controlling.

You assume too much about me, and misread what I've written. And you sound like you believe anyone that's a Jew means a child of the devil, which of course is craziness.

I'm well aware of both the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" per God's Word, who they are, who they became, and where God scattered them, and which ones are in Jerusalem today.
 

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You said -

The mark of beast is the number of man - unredeemed.


The word says - for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Please tell when this event took place, that everyone on the planet could not by or sell ANYTHING unless they had this mark!

And also tell me what was the man's name!

1. 666 is the number of man - man without the redemption of Christ is the Beast power.
2. Slaves of the Roman Empire were not allowed to buy and sell - John, the author of Revelation, predicted that Christians would be persecuted in the same manner - many Christians were already slaves. Others were condemned in the same manner because of their faith under the rule of Nero and Caesars that followed him.
3. Nero = 666

16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Yep. the Emperor Nero.

The tribulation is past. LOL !!!

Your laughter has no affect on reality.

Left Behind is popular, but is not historical.
 

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Left Behind is popular, but is not historical.

Left Behind is a book built on lies.

Again, you are not quoting the word.

The word says - Revelation 4:1

1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.

The vision that John was shown was about the future. You are trying to relate events that were current at the time John wrote the book of Revelation, and apply them as already happened.

After the condition of the 7 churches as written in the letters to them are explained, then the rest of the book of revelation, starting in chapter 4 is about "things to come" meaning the future.

Your theory about Nero and the persecution of that day as being the tribulation is invalidated by the Word of God.



Thanks, JLB
 

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So what lies are we going to listen to or tell others to hide us from the realities we don't want to face.....God has told us what is coming yet so many of us choose to medicate and sedate ourselves instead of just trusting God and asking of him that measure of faith to endure...my personal prayer is that i die before that time if it is God's will and if not then the faith to endure.
 

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You assume too much about me, and misread what I've written. And you sound like you believe anyone that's a Jew means a child of the devil, which of course is craziness.

I'm well aware of both the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" per God's Word, who they are, who they became, and where God scattered them, and which ones are in Jerusalem today.
Good, then you will understand that there aren't very many Judahites in jerusalem. Not Jews, because jews are of Idumea, Edom/Esau, rather Judahites, Im sure you understand.

You will also notice that Zionism, a great evil in this world, is rampant in Israeli- NOT Israel, as that is a PEOPLE and not a country. World banking, or merchants rather, rule the earth, just as prophesied. We are fed a lie, everywhere. I allow myself to fast from things such as TV and radio quite frequently, and when I turn them back on, I am overwhelmed with the poison that these so called 'chosen' are purveying on our people.

No I don't believe that anyone that is a 'jew' is of Satan, but i accept Christs words that his seed walks the earth. You can't pinpoint it to any group either, as Satans motive is always deception. This is why the tares and the wheat are important, tares look JUST LIKE wheat, but in the harvest you can visibly tell the difference. In reality, the tares stay standing straight, while the wheat bows down. Just as Christs people will in the end.
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The Jews themselves tell us they are of 'Edom', and also that Phariseeism is Jewry! So while we can't say all jews, i can pretty well say MANY jews.

As for 'the Mark' again, thoughts and actions... A beast or society,kingdom, etc, has the power to manipulate its people to believe that evil is good and good is evil. Which is why so many 'christians' accept faggotry and women preachers among other things when the bible straightforwardly speaks against these things. But to avoid 'making waves' people just 'turn the other cheek'?

Are you one that accepts the beast empire, that wants to be a part of its debauchery and the destruction of Christianity? Or do you reject this 'world' and everything in it?
 

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Hi guys. Does anyone know if the Mark of the Beast is going to be a microchip, (or some kind of physical mark) ? Or is it spiritual (I saw http://www.markofbeast.net/ ) ? I always thought it was going to be a physical mark.

And how could it be spiritual really, b/c the Bible says people will need the mark to buy and sell. ??

Haha, as always, I'm thoroughly confused here. :unsure:

The mark of the beast is a pen and a signiture.
The number of the beast is the social security number.
The beast is what ever nation you live in who requires these things of those who would serve them.
The false prophet is a type who speaks lies and flattering nonsense for money and worldly wealth.
The beast or their nation has given them a seat to pervert the gospel of Christ and God.
 

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The mark of the beast is a pen and a signiture.
The number of the beast is the social security number.
The beast is what ever nation you live in who requires these things of those who would serve them.
The false prophet is a type who speaks lies and flattering nonsense for money and worldly wealth.
The beast or their nation has given them a seat to pervert the gospel of Christ and God.
Nowhere in scripture is there mention of a 'pen and signature' or a 'SSN'

Every mention of 'beast' in prophesy always regards to an empire, a government, The false prophet does encompass these things, but there are many false prophets behind the pulpit today that spread a diluted version of truth, and it is already readily accepted by the congregations.
 

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Shalom, xBluXTunicx82.

Veteran is merely denying scripture to support his own version of Christianity. In his version, there is noone at fault for the evil in the world except for man himself. He can't see the clear picture of just WHO the enemy is. As you said, there is an entire NATION of people that not only deny Christ, but absolutely HATE Him and everything He represented. They are of their father the devil, and he was a murderer in the beginning, Cain, the descendants of Cain. Not the righteous seed of Adam.

And as far as Jews go, the 'jews' you speak of are Israelites, not Jews. The Israelites went to war with the jews, and it was the jews that killed Christ and to this day deny Him.

Now back to the topic, thoughts and actions? We are marked not 'on' but 'in' the hand and forehead, either with the mark of the beast, or the mark of God. Now, the hand is used in many instances to refer to action, and the forehead also represents the brain. Todays society is pretty disturbing, and choosing to accept it could very well be accepting 'the mark'. Although we shouldnt put it past man to create a form of economy that is all controlling.

I'm sorry, but that's just crazy talk. There is NO SUCH THING as the "righteous seed of Adam!" And, as far as the "descendants of Cain" are concerned, they were all destroyed in the Flood of Noach's time! While there is no doubt of there being haSatan, the Enemy, and that HE is the devil, the Traducer or Slanderer, Qayin (Cain) was NOT that Enemy! Qayin was not the first murderer; the serpent was. It was through his deceit that Adam and Chavah became mortal. And, we are told in Revelation 12:7 and 20:2 that haSatan was that "old serpent" or "original snake."

Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV


Rev 20:1-3
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV


Therefore, you don't know what you're talking about. And, if you can be wrong on these two points (and you are), then you could easily be wrong on the rest of what you say. The Jews were blinded in part until the fulness of the Goyim (Gentiles) has come in (Rom. 11:25). It is NOT a permanent condition, nor are the majority of them being blind by choice or out of malicious intent. They were TAUGHT to distrust the Messiah Yeshua`, whom they have only heard called "Jesus Christ!" They really know NOTHING about Him to the ETERNAL DISGRACE of those who call themselves the "Church!"

Rom 11:11-32
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
KJV


The Gentiles who CLAIM to know the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, should KNOW THE HEART of the Savior! "They are BELOVED for the fathers' sakes!" "That through YOUR mercy they ALSO may obtain mercy!" Paul's heart was in tune with Yeshua`s heart, for Yeshua` lamented:

Matt 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
KJV


Can't you hear His tears?! It is WRONG to treat ANYONE as "an entire NATION of people" who are "at fault for the evil in the world," ESPECIALLY Yeshua`s own KIN! Do you have a death wish?!

Maybe you don't want to hear it, but you need to hear it anyway:

Rom. 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
KJV


This comes from Isaiah 59:20-21, Psalm 14:5-7, and Jeremiah 33:7-8:

Isa. 59:20-21
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.
KJV


Ps 14:5-7
5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the Lord is his refuge.
7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the Lord bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
KJV


Jer 33:7-8
7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.
KJV


I wish God's hand of blessing upon you, but not if you continue in this vein of thinking!
 

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A very thorough and provocative study brother. You are but one of many who always get disgusted at the very plain teachings of Christ.

You say that Cain was not the first murderer, that it was Satan? Then why is it that Cain is listed as murdering Abel and not Satan?

In John 8:44 Christ is rebuking the Pharisees and blatantly calling them out as the children of Satan. Throughout the entire scripture there is a message of seedline, all the way from Cain and Abel. Why do you think God put enmity between the seed or the offspring of the woman and the offspring of the 'serpent' the Nachash, this whisperer of secrets, an enchanter. Do not think that I haven't studied the original texts, as I have devoted much of my life to studying the Word.


It is typical of those that deny any seedline in scripture to point to Genesis 4:1 where it says: “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from Yahweh.” They will say: “You see there, Cain was the son of Adam.” They don’t seem to realize that Eve was already pregnant with Cain before Adam “knew” her. If they would take the time to study and see what the rest of the Bible has to say on the matter, they wouldn’t come to that erroneous conclusion. Let’s consider 1 John 3:12:
“Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his [½] brother...”
Here, the word “of” in Greek is #1537 in the Strong’s Concordance. When used implying a person, it means “a son of.”

Its also important to know that 'to eat' is a transliteration of 'to lie with, sexually'

The New Testament in Modern English by J.B. Phillips: “We are none of us to have the spirit of Cain, who was a son of the devil ...”
Smith And Goodspeed: “We must not be like Cain who was a child of the evil one ...”
Living Bible: “We are not to be like Cain, who belonged to Satan ...”
New English Bible: “... unlike Cain who was a child of the evil one ...”
New Century Bible: “Do not be like Cain who belonged to the Evil One.”
The New Jerusalem Bible: “... not to be like Cain, who was from the Evil One ...”
The Modern Reader’s Bible: “... not as Cain was of the evil one ...”
Now that we have consulted some various translations on 1 John 3:12, let’s take a look at some Bible commentaries on this same verse:
The Wycliffe Bible Commentary page 1473: “He [Cain] is said to have belonged to thefamily of the wicked one.”
Matthew Poole’s Commentary On The Holy Bible, volume 3, page 936: “Which showed him [Cain] to be of that wicked one, of the serpent’s seed: so early was such seed sown, and so ancient the enmity between seed and seed.”
Matthew Henry’s Commentary, volume 6, page 1077: “It showed that he [Cain] was as the firstborn of the serpent’s seed ...”
That it is speaking concerning the GENETICS of Cain and his descendants compared to the GENETICS of the woman and her descendants can be readily observed in 1 John 3:9 (three verses before) contrasting the seed (offspring) of the serpent and the seed (offspring) of the woman:
“Whosoever is born of Yahweh doth not commit sin; for his seed (spérma)remaineth in him: and he cannot sin because he is born of Yahweh.”Here the word for seed in the Strong’s Concordance is the Greek word #4690, spérma,AND YOU CAN’T GET ANY MORE GENETIC THAN THAT! In other words, the reason the descendants of Satan through Cain (the “Jews”) act the way they do is because it is in theirGENES. Likewise those born of Adam and Eve, the offspring of Yahweh, will behave according to their GENETICS.
There is a real problem with the word “seed”, spérma, expressed by W.E. Vine in hisAn Expository Dictionary Of New Testament Words. This is what he says on page 339:
“While the plural form ‘seeds’, neither in Hebrew nor in Greek, would have been natural any more than in English (it is not used in Scripture of human offspring; its plural occurrence is in 1 Sam. 8:15, of crops), yet if the Divine intention had been to refer to Abraham’s natural descendants, another word would have been chosen in the plural, such as ‘children’ ... ”
Note: There is nothing wrong with the first half of Vine’s statement, which is actually helpful, explaining that in Hebrew and Greek a singular “seed” is used to denote a collective plural, as in English. It is the second half of Vine’s statement which is faulty, using a word that describes a collective and limiting it to a single one. Further, in the original Hebrew, it may very well be that “seed” is always singular except in 1 Samuel 8:15, where multiple varieties are implied, and the plural would certainly be proper! It would, therefore, be proper to indicate that Eve’s “seed”, like Jacob’s “seed”, would be a singular kind of seed. There is a world of difference between a single variety of seed and a single seed. How are we to interpret Genesis 17:7 where it says: “... thy seed after their generation(s)”? It should be noted that all of Yahweh’s Covenants with Adam-man were made with a single variety of “seed.” The word “seed” in Scripture is important, for it excludes all those who are not “seed.” Whether or not Vine had an ax to grind is hard to say, but he doesn’t seem to ring entirely true according to Wilson’s Old Testament Word Studies, page 377 where Wilson states concerning this word:
“... semen virile, hence children, offspring, posterity; spoken also of one child when an only one ...”
It would seem that Vine is applying the singular “seed”, spérma, in all cases, whether in a collective sense or in situations where there is but one child. Also, Vine’s statement does not square with #2233 (seed) in the Gesenius’ Old Testament Lexicon. I believe that many of the one-seedliners have been misled by Vine. By Vine applying a false premise for the word “seed”, spérma, it would be hard to estimate his influence in many Bible commentaries and religious books. There is one thing about it: either Vine is wrong or Wilson is wrong! It should also be noted, Vine referred to various “Rabbis” regarding the word “seed.” More than likely, this is where he got the idea that in all Scripture, both Old and New Testament, in every case, the word “seed” was used in the singular.
 

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Good, then you will understand that there aren't very many Judahites in jerusalem. Not Jews, because jews are of Idumea, Edom/Esau, rather Judahites, Im sure you understand.

I understand about the 'crept in unawares' per Bible history, but that still does not mean everyone that used or uses the title of Jew is of those who crept in. Once the Bible student learns about the crept in unawares per Bible history and how the title of Jew (Judahite, Judean, etc.) became associated with those foreigners who took that name, it's common to wrongy associate all Jews as being those who crept in, but that's not true. The title of 'Jew' (per Josephus) began with the small remnant of the "house of Judah" that returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity, and the name comes from the tribe Judah. Josephus said all living in the lands of Judea took that name after the return from Babylon. The foreigners living in those lands included Canaanites, later many of Edom (Esau), and also other peoples originally from Babylon, and then in Europe northeastern lands of Asia Minor like Khazaria that had no original heritage in Israel. And now it can apply to anyone who simply accepts the religion of Judaism (like Sammy Davis Jr. who became a Jew).


You will also notice that Zionism, a great evil in this world, is rampant in Israeli- NOT Israel, as that is a PEOPLE and not a country. World banking, or merchants rather, rule the earth, just as prophesied. We are fed a lie, everywhere. I allow myself to fast from things such as TV and radio quite frequently, and when I turn them back on, I am overwhelmed with the poison that these so called 'chosen' are purveying on our people.

I'm well aware of the concept of International Socialism and its goals for a "one world government". Yet not all Jews are part of that movement. Many sincere religious Jews that seek The LORD are as blind to that working just as many Christian brethren likewise are. The ones behind that movement are the 'tares' that have crept in among the "house of Judah", and they exist among the other part of Israel also, the "house of Israel". Moreover, God has ordained that working for the end of this world, and He forewarned us about it for the end.


No I don't believe that anyone that is a 'jew' is of Satan, but i accept Christs words that his seed walks the earth. You can't pinpoint it to any group either, as Satans motive is always deception. This is why the tares and the wheat are important, tares look JUST LIKE wheat, but in the harvest you can visibly tell the difference. In reality, the tares stay standing straight, while the wheat bows down. Just as Christs people will in the end.

The horticulture of the 'tare' is that when fully grown, it emits a black bud on the end of it distinguishing it from actual wheat. The metaphorical tares are not fully grown yet today.

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The Jews themselves tell us they are of 'Edom', and also that Phariseeism is Jewry! So while we can't say all jews, i can pretty well say MANY jews.

Still, we cannot point the finger to all Jews, just as we cannot point the finger to all who believe the lie of Socialism, for there are many Biblically illiterates that are part of that movement, and have been blinded by God to make it happen.


As for 'the Mark' again, thoughts and actions... A beast or society,kingdom, etc, has the power to manipulate its people to believe that evil is good and good is evil. Which is why so many 'christians' accept faggotry and women preachers among other things when the bible straightforwardly speaks against these things. But to avoid 'making waves' people just 'turn the other cheek'?

If you'll read enough of my posts, you'll note I've given many warnings on this matter at the expense of sounding like a troublemaker at times. That's how one who's aware of this matter and speaks out about it is often seen today, even by other Christian brethren. It's simply not a matter every believer on Christ Jesus is given to see and understand today.


Are you one that accepts the beast empire, that wants to be a part of its debauchery and the destruction of Christianity? Or do you reject this 'world' and everything in it?

I really don't know why you would ask me that kind of question, just because I said how you assume too much about me, not really knowing me?

My answer to that is no, I am not... of the beast working going on in the world today. But no, I cannot reject absolutely everything in this world today, because the faithful of Christ's Church are STILL in it.
 

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The human body produces an electrical current however subtle. I considered a micro chip such as already in use for animals and continue to include it as viable. However, consider a chip being implanted that "runs" from the current produced by the human body. It could then send a RF (radio freqquency) that could be detected from afar. The micro chips in animals do not emit RF they must be read by an instrument from close surface distance. Consider what the Bible says about those who receive the Mark of the Beast developin sores. The chips used in animals do not cause sores.

However, an RF chip that produces its own signa that can be collected from afar could easily cause sores in that area. Digital Angel out of Palm Springs florida (if I remember correctly) had developed a micro chip years ago and desires to implement it in humans. The web address is digitalangel.net

The last time I checked access to the site was not permitted for outside personel, but could be worth looking into.