Israeli attack on civilians should be condemned by all believers

Aunty Jane said:

I was raised in Christendom and believed what I was taught until I was of age to think for myself…. too many things bothered me, and no one had answers to my many questions…..it made them uncomfortable that I asked.

Only when I spoke to JW’s was everything made crystal clear. No question was too hard or off limits. Studying the Bible with them was the most exciting thing I have ever undertaken. I had so many questions and they were all answered from the Bible. For the first time in my life I understood the Lord’s Prayer! I never knew what I was praying for even though I had uttered that prayer countless times.

Just out of curiosity, do you belong to a brotherhood who believe what you believe….who all arrived at the same conclusion as you did, just from studying the scriptures for themselves?
God has always provided teachers for his people…..they all had to believe the same truth. (1 Cor 1:10)

Unity is a product of God’s spirit…..if it was the same spirit moving all those who claim to have studied the Bible for themselves, and coming to their own conclusions….all would be drawn to the same conclusions…..but that is not the case….there are as many conclusions as there are people. Why? Who has found the needle in the haystack?

JW’s are over 8 million brothers and sisters, found in all nations, who all believe the same things and follow the same program for Bible study each week. Over 8 million people, who regularly meet together, and who have no beef with doctrine or in following through on what Jesus commanded us to do…..to “preach the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before “the end” of this wicked world comes crashing down on all of earth’s inhabitants. (Matt 24:14)

Where are Christendom’s churches following through on the great commission? (Matt 28:19-20) It was a command, not a suggestion.....
Must be someone else’s job….

What is your big picture Carl?

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Big picture...

I knew God existed by the age of about 4.

I went to Sunday school and from an early age and my faith was so intense and personal that I asked my parents please could I not go.

My mum was born Catholic and my father was in the Salvation army - both were excommunicated from their families so there were 5 at the wedding and the taxi driver had to be the witness. Neither were church members.

At about 8 - after throwing a dart into my sister's leg - Jesus appeared to me and said "there is nothing you will do in this life that I will not see"

At 13 I attended a Christian camp and saw kids going forward at the meetings to confess Jesus as their Lord, repent of their sins and receive forgiveness and His indwelling presence. However I knew because my faith was so deeply personal I couldnt do that. So I went for a walk on my own beside a lake and knew that 'my time had come' so I lay down on the gravel and prayed like this... "God I know I have always been yours, but there comes a time when I have to give you my all and let you take over my life - sorry for the mess I have made of it, forgive me and take over..." Well at the time I heard someone walking towards me on the stones but when I looked up there was no one in sight, but He has been with me ever since.

So I was baptised at 16 and very active in a Baptist Church.

Then at 18 I met the wrong lady and had 7 years of incompatibility in a marriage during which time my life went down the tube - she moved in with my best friend. - drugs, fringes of occult, eastern philosophy, psychiatric hospital, ECT reduced to vegetable state.

But... The still small voice spoke, and I knew I had to return to my Christian roots.

So I took off up country to find Him and recommit. Then it happened, on a wharf watching the sea it was like He grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and gave me a shake saying "There are the rails - stay on them" He also said that the Bible was to be my only source of Truth. This was a turning point and 7 years of prayer and ministry followed - then I felt restored again and ready to serve Him. He taught me much in those lonely years.

I consumed the Scriptures and fed my soul with a deep love for Him.

There was a special move of the Spirit at that time, hundreds came to faith often in quite miraculous circumstances.

When I was ready He called me to go to Israel. I needed $2.6K for the airfare - It came in from who knows where 1 hour before the tickets needed to be paid. So I left with just $150 for 10 weeks.

When I landed I found some Christian accommodation and the next day to my amazement there was a conference for Christian musicians from all over Israel - being a musician myself, I was in heaven.

But the rub came - my little money was soon running out - why on earth was I here anyway ???

So I found the King David Hotel and it's big leather chairs and prayed three days solid. I got to the point of saying "well if you wanted a man of faith you got the wrong one, I haven't a clue why I am here, I might as well fly back to New Zealand.

Then two people walked into the hotel and pointed to me - The Lord is saying come with us... This was the breakthrough I was waiting for.
They were giving refuge to Jews who converted to Jesus and were excommunicated from their families. So I stayed with them until the day the lady had a heart attack and the Lord led me to be there at exactly the time to pray for her and see her healed. She is well to this day and leading an important Pro Life work there.

From then financial support poured in from strangers, I also went to China before returning home - everything was paid by Him.

That is enough - my life is now punctuated with the miraculous - you can read more here. Jesus's Ministry

All glory to Jesus having given me a second chance in life and blessed me more than I could ask or think with a lovely wife and 5 children all grown up.

Love you all...

APAK said:

Are you deliberately being cryptic in your reply? Explain yourself please if you want me to grasp what you are really saying.

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I don't think I was being cryptic. All of God's moral law was essentially repeated in one way or another throughout the NT. We have not been freed from keeping that law. Those of us who believe in God, in Jesus Christ, in the gospel, and I would add who have been baptized (Mark 16:16), have been freed from eternal condemnation for failure to obey that law. Colossians 2:14 is often quoted as having cancelled the law, but that is simply not true. It is the "record of debt" (ESV) for failure to obey that law that has been cancelled. That is we are forgiven. Forgiven of what? Forgiven of our sins? What is sin but disobedience to God's law.

dad said:

The news says. The death figures say. Reporters say. Cameras say. etc

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Any of those that says that the IDF is targeting children, are wrong. That is antisemitic propaganda. Are children being hurt and killed. Yes, but that does not mean they are being targeted

dad said:

Yes, it is. That is not a reason to mass murder children.

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More antisemitic propaganda.

dad said:

They are everywhere you claim, we get it. So that makes everyone fair game. No. Sorry. Your reasoning is evil.

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Maybe you should be attacking Hamas who are hiding behind those women and children instead of Israel who are defending herself against Hamas.

dad said:

No. You have just called children legitimate targets because of hatred for criminals who live in the same city.

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They are not the targets.

dad said:

So? Maybe repent and get a good leader?

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I voted for a good leader. How about you?

dad said:

Siding with who? Just because there are other wicked nations and leaders in the world does not mean that wiping out homes and people and starving and depriving people of medical care etc etc is right in Gaza.

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I repeat my earlier statement. If you or anyone like you had been in charge in WWII we would all be bowing to the German Furher or the Japanese Emperor. Your complaint should be against Hamas and the Palestinians who put Hamas in power and Iran the cornerstone of that power, not Israel.

God Bless Israel! And He will too! Pity the Israel wannabees!

JBO said:

I don't think I was being cryptic. All of God's moral law was essentially repeated in one way or another throughout the NT. We have not been freed from keeping that law. Those of us who believe in God, in Jesus Christ, in the gospel, and I would add who have been baptized (Mark 16:16), have been freed from eternal condemnation for failure to obey that law. Colossians 2:14 is often quoted as having cancelled the law, but that is simply not true. It is the "record of debt" (ESV) for failure to obey that law that has been cancelled. That is we are forgiven. Forgiven of what? Forgiven of our sins? What is sin but disobedience to God's law.

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Christ's spirit that brings his Law, inborn indwelt law with the heart of every believer is a much better Law that the OT Mosaic Law my friend. It covered 'everything' of the heart and its desires of its own will and of God's will.....the 'old' Law was inadequate and incomplete until Christ.

Great Day!

APAK said:

Christ's spirit that brings his Law, inborn indwelt law with the heart of every believer is a much better Law that the OT Mosaic Law my friend. It covered 'everything' of the heart and its desires of its own will and of God's will.....the 'old' Law was inadequate and incomplete until Christ.

Great Day!

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That may well be true. Still, none of God's moral, even as given in the OT was not set aside. Also, the law wasn't inadequate; rather it is we who are inadequate. Trust me, if you had kept the 'old' law perfectly, you would have been just fine. But you didn't and no one else, except Christ, has either.

JBO said:

That may well be true. Still, none of God's moral, even as given in the OT was not set aside. Also, the law wasn't inadequate; rather it is we who are inadequate. Trust me, if you had kept the 'old' law perfectly, you would have been just fine. But you didn't and no one else, except Christ, has either.

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Well of of course the Law was inadequate for us, because the perfect Law that God gave then, he could only keep, was given for us to deliberately 'fall' or fail in/by. To teach us and then came Christ......end of story

APAK said:

Well of of course the Law was inadequate for us, because the perfect Law that God gave then, he could only keep, was given for us to deliberately 'fall' or fail in/by. To teach us and then came Christ......end of story

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So then you think God deliberately wanted us to fail. What a really sad view of God....end of story.

JBO said:

So then you think God deliberately wanted us to fail. What a really sad view of God....end of story.

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Of course, because of our fallen nature. He is a God of love, mercy and justice. He wants true believers of faith in him from our own will. By just giving us a Law to succeed in, in a fallen state, would be useless to his plan of salvation and restoration. He would not be truly God now would he be?

dad said:

Those believers who support Israel morally in the killing of children, women and civilians as well as the forced relocations, starvation, attacking health workers and etc have no bible support for their choice. (and share the blame for the murders) There is no doubt that God hates it and that justice must come as a result. Are there still any Jack Hibb/Amir Tsarfarti/Tom Hughes types out there that care to defend it?
(And please, don't talk about the genocide as if it were self defense)

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Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

dad said:

Keeping the prison running is something that needs to be done.

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Which prison is that? Israelo abandoned Gaza in 2005 and built a wall to keep them to themselves. They provided defense and water and yes medical and food aid more than the Muslims crying how terrible the Israelis are for killing Palestinians.

Well if you wish to believe UNRWA that is your problem. Yes Israel has killed children. Yes Palestinians have been killing Jewish children for decades! They are rewarded FOR DOING SO! This is called a war! All wars no matter how just see innocent civilians die.

But then again your solution would be for Israel not to fire on the Hamas butchers when they hide thier ammunition, rockets and soldiers and HQ's in nhospitals, schools and neighborhoods. You would just rather see innocent Jews die instead!

dad said:

What does live in peace mean? That they get back ancestral lands? That they can be free? Or?

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Sorry but the land of Israel was never owned by an ethnic group called Palestinians. That term was not even used until the late 1940's! Jews have always lived in Israel, it is their ancestral land by Divine covenant!

Their is no ethnic group called Palestininas.

dad said:

Since tens of thousands of women and children were already killed and aid trucks stopped causing starvation, and etc etc etc etc etc etc if you see no evidence it is selective vision.

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Sorry but Israel did not stop the Rafah crossing- Egypt did. they just stopped the trucks from proceeding to the northern half of gaza. Yes Israel has severely curtailed the flow of aid. but it is not Israel alone. Hams and Egypt and Iran have just as much a part in this.

If you wish to know how Palestinians and Israelis can live in peace? Just look at the West Bank. Lots of hatred ofr Israel there, but the Palestinians do not lob rockets into Israel (with any number), nor do they tunnel into Israel to kidnap and rape little children like Gazans do.

They ar emore prosperous, at more peace and quietness because though many hate Israel, they realized they need to get along to go along!

When you openly write here on this particular forum, your condemnation fo what Al-asqa, Hamas, Hezbollah have been doing for decades against teh innocents in Israel, then I guess I could care more for your anti-semitism. but until you do, your posts stink of Jew hating.

Sadly many good folk are being sucked in by the Muslim PR machine and a matter that escapes them is the Koran allows for false witness but the Torah doesn't.

The war is being fought in minds - dividing families all over the world, such is the deep hatred for Jews - a spiritually fuelled hatred that can be traced back through history and boils down to hating God's right to choose.

Let's strive to be peacemakers in the mess that cant be avoided, this is a spiritual war - God's best will prevail eventually.

No Government is perfect but some are less perfect than others.

While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

One thing I learned in Israel - there are many secret believers there.

dad said:

You can't hide under Hitler's skirt here, sorry.

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It is you who are hiding under Hamas' skirt. And that skirt is every bit as filthy as Hitler's . You are the one assigning blame to Israel because Hamas is hiding behind women and children as shields and using schools, hospitals, etc. as bunkers. They are cowards and you are condoning it. Shame!

dad said:

You just need to get a crowbar and separate unbelieving secular Israel from the Israel that God restores and protects and saves. Not the same except in name.

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The Israel that God restores and protects and saves has not one thing to do with the current national Israel.

APAK said:

Of course, because of our fallen nature. He is a God of love, mercy and justice. He wants true believers of faith in him from our own will. By just giving us a Law to succeed in, in a fallen state, would be useless to his plan of salvation and restoration. He would not be truly God now would he be?

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That is almost blasphemy. It would be if you really understood what you just said there.