Phoneman777 said:
Please refer me to which post I claimed to believe that keeping the Sabbath obtains for us righteousness and salvation.
Okay, but be ready to see why clarity is needed even within your own last post.
As far as I know, I've only said what I say to you now: Jesus asked us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy because we love Him (John 14:15 KJV), not to obtain salvation.
Jesus did not asks us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy in John 14:15, because if those were the commandments He was talking about, then no one would be getting the Holy Ghost because that was the condition for keeping His commandments if you apply John 14:15 like that. That means you were using John 14:15 as inferring that is how we are saved which is by keeping "those" commandments.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
So then what commandments was Jesus talking about that comes with the promise of the eternally indwelling Holy Ghost? Let's start at the top.
John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled:
ye believe in God, believe also in me.
That was the first commandment. Then it is repeated severla more times before coming to verse 15.
John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
So that supports the simplicity of the gospel as those were the "commandments" Jesus was talking about that comes with the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost which is by believing in Him. So you pretty much have to take John 14:15 in context to foind out what commandments Jesus was actually talking about, and He was not talking about keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy at all.
Luke 17:10 KJV has Jesus Himself claiming that obedience profits us nothing, but 1 John 2:3-4 KJV condemns those who claim to love Jesus but refuse to obey Him. They will be eternally lost because they refused to love Jesus.
Do note your conclusion as being the opposite of what you are saying about not keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy. Those who do not keep the seventh day Sabbath holy are those that do not love Him and therefore they are eternally lost. How is that not saying that believing in Jesus Christ for our salvation is not enough for us to be saved because you have to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy?
To clarify my position with His help, I had referred to 1 John 3:22-24 where verse 23 was John specifically noting the two commandments necessary for "abiding in Him"; not as if both commandments are necessary for salvation. The first is necessary for salvation, but the second one to love others is not a means for salvation but as a means and a testimony of how we are abiding in Him as His disciples.
Here's a gem from the writings of John: "Little children, keep yourselves from idols." This is directly derived from the Second of the Ten Commandments, so we are certain that
1 John 2:3-4 KJV includes the continued prohibition against idolatry and that those who engage in idolatry but profess love for Jesus are liars. Will we argue that the other nine are null and void, especially since the other Bible writers make mention of them in the context that we are obligated to keep them?
And yet there is no little gem of plainly teaching the church in any epistle to even remind believers to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy since Gentiles would need that instructions since they do not practise that. Nowhere.. not once... did Paul or any of the disciples plainly warned Gentile believers of the necessity to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy.
And automatically imputing that commandment into any reference of that being of His commandments is hardly convincing for the amount of emphasis you claim is God's will on the matter for christians to follow.
Where in the Ten Commandments does it say that I am responsible for what others do on the Sabbath? I refused to work on Sabbath because I chose to follow what the commandment says to me and my family and lost a good job over it, and if others choose to serve money rather than God and provide me internet service on the Sabbath, then that is their problem, not mine.
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the
sabbath of the Lord thy God:
in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle,
nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
You are not to benefit off of other people working on the sabbath day & so as far as I am concern, you have not been really keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy at all when you buy things that you should have done the day before or cook things that should have been prepared the day before ( without reheating it on the sabbath day ).
You access the internet in your house & under your roof.
Joshua 24:15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord,
choose you this day whom ye will
serve;....but
as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
I believe you are saved, but I also believe that by the standard you judge others by, you will be found wanting by the standard you had been claiming to keep, but have not, brother. This does not mean you did not love Him, but this does mean you need to reassess how you are emphasizing the keeping of the seventh day Sabbath holy per the Old Covenant when we are not under that covenant at all.
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.
Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. ....8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
So how is Jesus able to make a non-sabbath day keeper stand? Because He is Lord of the Sabbath.
You want Jesus's stand on the issue of the sabbath day? Here it is.
Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Now after Jesus gave two examples of how those that had broken the sabbath day were guiltless because of the temple, He refer to one greater then the temple in the place where He was speaking to in verse 6-8 as to why Jesus is able to make a non-sabbath day keeper stand as Paul had testified in Romans 14:4. May God increase you in the knowledge of Him of how His righteousness is bringing you Home.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
There are commandments for abiding in Him as His disciples so that we may run that race for the high prize of our calling to be received as that vessel unto honour in His House in attending the Marriage Supper held in His honour, but we do so by trusting in Him as our Good Shepherd which is why the crowns we shall receive shall be cast at His feet because they are His crowning achievements in us.
Keeping the sabbath day holy is not one of His commandments for us to keep, but we are free to regard the day in honouring Him just as we are free not to because we know it is His righteousness that is bringing us Home.