Who will be the antichrist and false prophet

(Letsgofishing;27218)
are they real human beings or goverment, organizations, trading unions. Who do you think is the antichrist and false prophet.I'll post my opinon which Ive posted before just to get this started.ok now that thats out of the way My american theory. ( warning anybody who's extremely patriotic will not like this.) I personally believe that America is the second beast/ the false prophet. Lets look at the evidenceNow in revelation 13:3 it says " and I saw one of the firsts beasts heads, as it were wounded to deathand revelation 13:12-13 says And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. so thats my crazy theory what about yoursyour brother in christ Ryan Fitz
Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. The second beast is Satan himself. He comes out of the earth because he has been kicked out of heaven by Michael:Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8.And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.9.And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.He comes to earth pretending to be Christ. That is why it is written.....he had two horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon. He IS the dragon masquerading as the Lamb...our Savior.All those that don't know and understand this will take the mark of the beast which simply means....they will fall for his deceit. They will believe he is our Savior.......Whirlwind

(Letsgofishing;27218)
are they real human beings or goverment, organizations, trading unions. Who do you think is the antichrist and false prophet.I'll post my opinon which Ive posted before just to get this started.ok now that thats over with there has been an interesting side conversation going on on where is the biblival evidence that the church is the antichrist. This may shock all of you but i'm going to have to agree. The catholic church will( because they are not right now) the 1st beast told of in the scriptures. Now would I ever dare to say this about my church if there is no biblical proof. No, So i'm going to share the biblical proof right now. I'm basing this on Daniel not revelation.In the book of Daniel they have 13 qualifications of the antichrist.( I can go deeper on all this if there is any confusion)Horns equal kingdoms 1.The antichrist must rise out of the 4th beast. ( daniel 7 verse 7)the 4th beast is interprented as rome.As soon as the kingdom in Rome broke up ( back in the ancient past) the roman catholic church gained power2.Now the second qualification is that it rises out of the ten horns ( chapter 7 verse 8)the ten horns were on the 4th beast or rome. now when rome broke up it broke up into 10 different countries.3. The third qualification is that antichrist arises after the ten horns. ( chapter 7 verse 24)The papal at time that assumes his position of power five years after rome arises.4. The fourth qualification is that the antichrist is different than the first horns.( daniel 7, 24) This is also true as the roman catholic church at that time was a political super power. But also unlike the other countries a Religous superpower.5. the fifth it becomes more stout (powerful) than the others.( 7, 20) Which the catholic church definatley has as it has lasted longer and still has influence today.6. the sixth is that it uproots three kingdoms( 7, 20) now we have to go into when the catholic church first gained power When it did, it took over three of the countries which rome had split into. ( today known as the goths, the vandals and the Burgundians.)7. the seventh is that the antichrist will speak great things against the most high.( 7, 25) The catholic church does not currently do this. But during the reformation the pope did claim to be God on earth. It has happpened before and it will happen again8. . The most disturbing. The antichrist will make war against the saints. ( 7, 25) The catholic as wacca pointed out has " tortured and imprisoned other christians" in the 1700s. That is making war against the saints. and that is just a preview of what will happen when the church become corrupt again9.the 9th he'll change times and laws.(7,25) The catholic church has done this . You would not be familiar with many examples unless you are a part of the catholic church. One example which you would all be familar with is the changing of the sabbath. 10. The antichrist shall rule for a time time and half a time ( 7, 25) Prophetically this means 1260 years. But sure enough after that 1260 years the roman church lost its territory and its power. ( it has obviously gained it back since then.)11. The antichrist will devour the whole earth. ( 7, 23) This obviously hasn't happened yet it is one of the few things were waiting to be fulfilled.The catholic church is the biggest religon in the world. It leads morally in the world. But it does not rule politically12. The antichrist shall exist until the end of time-( 7,22) I can't obviously tell you for sure that the catholic church will exist until the end of days but I don't see how it cannot. 13. The last. The antichrists rule will be taken away by Jesus Christ at the end of time. and then the true catholics and the other christian churches will become one. Alleluia. unless the churches come together before, which is one of my highest hopes.How do we know when the catholic church turns into the beast. by the prophecies hasn't fulfilled yet. When it rules the entire world and before that in the new testament it says. "Who is a liar? Who else but the person who rejects Jesus as the Messiah? The person who rejects the Father and the Son is an antichrist." ( 1 john 2,22) When the catholic church denies Jesus came in the flesh that is when they stop being my church and a church of God and become the antichrist. Expect to also see the elevation of Mary above Jesus ( which is getting closer to happening each day) and the doctrine that the eucharist only represents Jesus, but the catholics still continue to worship it. I am not saying this to insult the catholic church. I believe the church, the first church is a holy church right now. But it has set itself against God before and it will set itself against him again. This is my beloved church who God has called me to work for ( or work against depending on the situation) this revelation has depressed me deeply. ok now that thats out of the way My american theory. ( warning anybody who's extremely patriotic will not like this.) I personally believe that America is the second beast/ the false prophet. Lets look at the evidenceNow in revelation 13:3 it says " and I saw one of the firsts beasts heads, as it were wounded to deathand revelation 13:12-13 says And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 1. the papal ( the soon to be antichrist) gained its power by the eastern Roman army in 538 A.D. 1260 years later it lost its power. 1260 years later happens to be 1798, the time right after America won the revolutionary war and became a nation. Now Revaelation says that the first beast shall arise after the first beast is injured, and the only country which arised in that time period is the United States. Could it be a coincidence, I don't think so. now just like the catholic church the USA is not the second beast yet, but we are seeing many sighns in the media,our movies, our music, our culture, and our goverment. so thats my crazy theory what about yoursyour brother in christ Ryan Fitz
The beast and the false prophet, are the same guys in Revelation chapter 13 and Revelation 19:20.Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. That verse shows that they are two different men. It's not the catholic church and America.

I agree 100% with whirlwindWe are told exactly who Antichrist is many times we just refuse to believe that its been there all along we have made a national pass time out of guessing who Antichrist will bemen have spent there life times convincing people they knew who it was the early church and Jews were convinced it was the little Roman Gen. Titus who destroyed the temple Later when the church split it was the Pope, it has been said it was Hitler people have always called the biggest threat of their day the Antichrist yet all they could find when they turned to scripture were Verse's they could see a likeness of the Antichrist so they tried to make the verses fit their ideas. That is exactly how we are NOT TO READ the Bible When you just let it talk to you it tells you who Antichrist is SATAN all the rest were types of Antichrists the Bible says there are many BUT THERE is only Real Antichrist SATANHe was the Enemy at the beginning of the Book and he is still the Enemy the Bible has never changed we just wont listen.He was filled with Pride he thought he should be God nothing has changed he still wants to be God his whole life has been to destroy the bloodline of Christ so he could be God he now gets his chance to be the Anti (fake,instead of, pretend)christ the word antichrist tells you who it is. It part of the plot of the Entire Bible.Satan has many names in scripture these represent the different roles he plays but they are all one in the same here are just someNames and Roles of satan/or the devil These names tie into many other versesThe False Prophet {Rev 16:3]Little Horn [Dan 8:]Lucifer [Isa 14:12]The Prince that shall come [Dan 9:26]The Wicked or Lawless one [2Thess 2:8]The Vile person [Dan 11:21]The Serpent [Gen 3:]The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil [Gen 2: ...]King of Tyre/The Assyrian [Eze 28 / Isa 14:25]King of Fierce Countenance [Dan 8:23]The Beast [Rev 13:11]The man of Sin [2Thess 2:3]King of Babylon [Isa 14:4]The willful King [Dan 11:36-37]Satan [Matt 4:]Devil [Matt 4:]Apollyon [Rev 9:]Abaddon [Rev 9:]The Dragon [Rev 12:7]The Tempter [Matt 4]

The mark of the beast is the oppisite of the mark (seal) of God it is in your forehead because thats where your brain/mind is or your right hand because that is symbolic of doing his work you either have the beleif of God and do his Workor believe the lie When Satan says he is christ and do his Work its that simplewho do you believe and work for

(Letsgofishing;27308)
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.(616)" (revelation)your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."Wisdom comes from knowledge, and all wisdom is from God, from wisdom comes understanding. We were told to "count the number of the beast". This was written in Greek, and the Greek word means more then counting numbers. You simple can't understand this meaning if you don't understand this Greek word. The word is #5585 in Strong's Greek dictionary, and it means to "calculate by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."What stones? We were told in chapter two, we would receive a new stone with a new name written on it. This word "count" originated from that word "stone" of chapter two of the book of Genesis. These are the only places in the Bible this word for count, or stone is used. So we must enumerate, or calculate these stones worn smooth over a long period of time. "Their rock is not our Rock, and his stones are not our Stones," is what the overcomers will sing, as the "Song of Moses tells us in Deuteronomy 32. God is our Rock, and Satan is the false rock, but which stones are we to count? The stones are the number of man, that man is Satan, and if you know Satan you will know his children. Those stones are his children . The "mark of the beast" number [6-6-6] then is to count, or know Satan's children over a long period of time.whether the number is 666 or 616 dosent matter the clue is in the word count.This again as I have said is Satan from the begining the enemy has always been the same to count him and his over a long peroid of time.God is the same yesterday,today and tomarrow he has always told you who the enemy is

(kriss;27314)
Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."Wisdom comes from knowledge, and all wisdom is from God, from wisdom comes understanding. We were told to "count the number of the beast". This was written in Greek, and the Greek word means more then counting numbers. You simple can't understand this meaning if you don't understand this Greek word. The word is #5585 in Strong's Greek dictionary, and it means to "calculate by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."What stones? We were told in chapter two, we would receive a new stone with a new name written on it. This word "count" originated from that word "stone" of chapter two of the book of Genesis. These are the only places in the Bible this word for count, or stone is used. So we must enumerate, or calculate these stones worn smooth over a long period of time. "Their rock is not our Rock, and his stones are not our Stones," is what the overcomers will sing, as the "Song of Moses tells us in Deuteronomy 32. God is our Rock, and Satan is the false rock, but which stones are we to count? The stones are the number of man, that man is Satan, and if you know Satan you will know his children. Those stones are his children . The "mark of the beast" number [6-6-6] then is to count, or know Satan's children over a long period of time.whether the number is 666 or 616 dosent matter the clue is in the word count.This again as I have said is Satan from the begining the enemy has always been the same to count him and his over a long peroid of time.God is the same yesterday,today and tomarrow he has always told you who the enemy is
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. 666 is the number of the name of the beast, Rev. 13:17. It is also the number of a man, Rev. 13:18. So, the name of the man, called antichrist or beast, is going to have a number of 666.In Hebrew and Greek, letters are used for numbers.In Hebrew, the letters STUR, add up to 666, using the numbers for letters system. I think it is the Hebrew letters, Samech, tav, vav, resh.S = 060 T = 400 U = 006 R = 200That is what it is referring to when it talks of the number of a name. The letters used for numbers must add up to 666.Stur is the chaldee name for Saturn. Rome was originally called Saturnian land.But that is not the name of a man.But, there are several websites on google showing the name Satan originally came from the word Saturn, which in chaldee is STUR, and adds up to 666.The name SATAN in Hebrew would be:60,-samech 1,-aleph 400,-tav 1,-aleph 50,-nunThat adds up to: 512So the name Satan is not the name of the beast in Hebrew.Satan in Greek would be:sigma-200, alpha-1, tau- 300, Alpha- 1, nu- 50which adds up to , 552So Satan is not the name of the beast in Greek either.But the name Saturn, in Chaldee, from which the name Satan came does add up to 666, in Hebrew. [John may have used chaldee because it is the babylonian mystery religion named on the woman riding the beast in Rev.17. Chaldee is the babylonian language.]http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/sect75.htmGo to that website and see a man that says that the Pope is the legitimate representative of Saturn, today. Rome was called Saturnian land. The way that John says it, you get the impression that it can be calculated now. Maybe so.The beast or antichrist is going to be a man possessed by the evil spirit Satan, the head devil. Satan is going to control the antichrist.Satan and all of the devils do not have physical bodies; they use the bodies of others when they get control of their minds.Near the end of Revelation, Satan is bound in the bottomless pit.The Beast, the antichrist, is cast alive into the Lake of fire. So the antichrist is not Satan. He is going to be controlled by Satan.

The key to the mark is not in the number it is in the Word count 6 is the number of manto count over a long period of time Satan was the Start of things and will be the End of things. There are a billion theories out there none are biblical what is the mark of the beast the opposite of the mark(seal) of God the sin of taking the mark it to confess belief in Satan and become part of his one world system and religion. Your mind is in your forehead you work with your hands In many sources it is 616 not 666 in fact Hebrew considers 6 a lucky number and the Chaldean is a pagan religion. We must go to Gods word for explanations not outsideit if we are to have the wisdom it takes to figure it out all wisdom comes from God not outside sources

Men always have to make things so complicated the Bible is the story of God his children and how he will bring them to salvation it is the story of the people that played a part in this plan for good or for evil from the beginig to the end.There is only one Major Villian in this story only one who wants God to fail, only one who wants to be god, Only one who is judged to death. God is going to give him his chance to be as christ(antichrist). God expects us to be like Job when he was tested and withstand our test the same as Job did his These will be the overcomers the elect of God. We have been fore warned, Job was not, God has told us what will happen who will be coming what he will do and that he will lose The antichrist (Satan) is the same villian he has always been its the same story counted over a long period of time. The bad guy has never changed who he was we just have never seen him in person so we tend to make him out as some invisable evil spirit he is the Most Powerful,beatiful Angel ever created do we really understand what that means?? He had the power and authority to temp Christ to offer Christ the world. this is not some little invisable spirit or a guy in a Red suit with a pointed tail.He is an Acrh Angel the anonited (choosen/appointed) Cherubium. He failed to destroy Christ he knows he has lost but Gods enemy is out to destroy as many of Gods children as he can. The antichrist the enemy,the villian of the story is not some possesed man it is and always has been Satan Why do you think God spends so much time in scripture telling us of him he uses many names for Satan to educate usto the different aspects of his character he is a snake, he is liar, a murder, the lawless one, ect. ect. and he is the antichrist. the question is who's listening to men and who listening to God.

The anti christ is satan and the false prophet is his fake religons and fake gospels..

(savedbygrace57;27675)
The anti christ is satan and the false prophet is his fake religons and fake gospels..
Which you also preach telling everyone on this board that Christ did not die for everyone. You are treading on Thin Ice brother, so if I were you concerning this Subject of False Gospels I wouldn't even be talking. I'm praying for you Brother

(Unorthodox Christian;27676)
Which you also preach telling everyone on this board that Christ did not die for everyone. You are treading on Thin Ice brother, so if I were you concerning this Subject of False Gospels I wouldn't even be talking. I'm praying for you Brother
Actually the false doctrines one in paticular is the blasphemous teaching that God loves humanity and christ died to give an opportunity for everyone to get saved lies straight from the pits of hell..:naughty:

(savedbygrace57;27688)
(Unorthodox Christian;27676)
Which you also preach telling everyone on this board that Christ did not die for everyone. You are treading on Thin Ice brother, so if I were you concerning this Subject of False Gospels I wouldn't even be talking. I'm praying for you Brother
Actually the false doctrines one in paticular is the blasphemous teaching that God loves humanity and christ died to give an opportunity for everyone to get saved lies straight from the pits of hell..:naughty:John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:17 - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.John 3:18 - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

(savedbygrace57;27688)
Actually the false doctrines one in paticular is the blasphemous teaching that God loves humanity and christ died to give an opportunity for everyone to get saved lies straight from the pits of hell..:naughty:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. The whole world has the opportunity to get saved according to the apostle John.

(Letsgofishing;27661)
That is what it is referring to when it talks of the number of a name. The letters used for numbers must add up to 666.Stur is the chaldee name for Saturn. Rome was originally called Saturnian land.amazing, another point for my theory.
But you cant get wisdom from outside the Word and even if you were to tryand Saturn is right Greek mythology still makes it about Satan not Rome so how could you decide whats right thats why you have to understand it is God that foretold us all in his word.Greek mythology of Saturn:Cronus, the son of Uranus and Gaia (earth)and the youngest of the twelve Titans. His wife was also one of the Titans, since he married his sister Rhea. Their offspring were Demeter, Hestia, Hera, Hadesl, Poseidon and Zeus. It is written that Uranus, who in one version, hid his children away in the bowels of the earth (Tartarus) (this relates to terms used for Satan)as he was aghast at the sight of them, in reality he was fearful of their great strength and power. Gaia (earth)found her offspring uncomfortable and also painful and when she found the discomfort too much to bear she hatched a plan, which was to end the passions of Uranus, so no more offspring could be produced and that would be the ending of her hurt. But to achieve this she required the help from one of her children. She asked them all, but only her youngest child Cronus would heed her call. To help Cronus accomplish his task Gaia gave him a adamantine sickle to serve as his weapon. Cronus lay in wait hidden from view, and when Uranus came to lay with Gaia Cronus struck. With one mighty blow from the sickle Cronus severed the genitals from Uranus' body. From the blood which fell to the earth (Gaia) where born the Erinyes (Furies), the Giants (fallen angels of Satan)and also the Meliae (Nymphs of the manna ash trees). In other versions Aphrodite was born from the foam created from the sex organs of Uranus, after they had been thrown into the sea by Cronus.Once Cronus had castrated Uranus, he and his wife Rhea took the throne. Under their power a time of harmony and prosperity began, which became known as the "Golden Age"; a time when it was said that people lived without greed or violence, and without toil or the need for laws. But not all was well for Cronus, as it was fated that he would be overthrown by one of his own children. To prevent this from happening he began to swallow his newborn, taking them at birth then swallowing them whole, retaining them inside his own body where they could do him no harm. Rhea did not like the thoughts of losing all her children, and with the help of Gaia she saved Zeus from this fate. Rhea wrapped a stone in Zeus' swaddling clothes which Cronus took and immediately swallowed thinking it was the child. Gaia and Rhea's plan worked well and the baby Zeus was taken to Crete, and there, in a cave on Mount Dicte, the divine goat Amaltheia suckled and raised the infant Zeus. When Zeus had grown into a young man he returned to his fathers domain, and with the help of Gaia, compelled Cronus to regurgitate the five children he had previously swallowed. (In some versions Zeus received help from Metis who gave Cronus an emetic potion, which made him vomit up Zeus' brothers and sisters). Zeus led the revolt against his father and the dynasty of the Titans, defeated and then banished them. The Romans compared Cronus with their Saturn, who was to the Romans a corn god. This is from the association of the "Golden Age". In Athens on the 12th day of the month Hekatombaion a festival was held in honour of Cronus, which was known as the "Kronia". It was a celebration of the harvest. In art, Cronus was depicted carrying a sickle used to gather the harvest,This is the same terms used in the bible for the tares) but this was also the weapon he used to castrate his father. The name may derive from the verb kreno, which means 'to exercise sway', 'to reign over', 'to govern'. as antichrist Satan will do--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You can see Satan written all over this Greek/Roman mythology Again acquainting Satan with Saturn which brings us right back to what the Word says Satan is Antichrist coming to govern the earth (gaia)

(stone;27695)
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. The whole world has the opportunity to get saved according to the apostle John.
Thats not what 1 jn 2:2 says..

(thesuperjag;27692)
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:17 - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.John 3:18 - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Jn 12: 37But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

(savedbygrace57;27727)
Jn 12: 37But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
BOLD EMPHASIS MINE! Despite blinding them, hardening their hearts, which puts them in a spiritually sick condition, GOD STILL SAYS I SHOULD HEAL THEM! That's Love and that's Salvation offered to all. I also got a bible verse for you Brother, I'm not judging you but the way you are treading this bible verse pops up in my head everytime you deny God's universal Salvation offer.Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?