The False Prophet: who and why

While I agree that radical Islam is most likely full of Tares that is proven by their fruit nameing Abbas and Haniyeh as the beast and false prohet is against the Words of the Bible and is a bunch of baloney for one thing The beast who is antichrist comes in peacfully and prosperoulsy he heals the deadly wound and the Whole world follows after him he does miracles and wonders including causing lightning to cone down from heaven he sets up a one World government .. I certainly do not see the Whole world following after Abbas nor have I seen him doing any miraclesthe false prophet starts a one World religion and declares himself God/Christ I dont know who this so called prophet is but the sign of a true prophet is that he 100% right 100% of the time futher more you would think someone calling themselves a prophet could read the Word of God This is just another lie of men ...its garbage .... a little truth a lot of lies ... but biblically illerate people will believe anything

(Ephraim;67470)
The False Prophet: who and whyThis letter is written to all Christians interested in Bible prophecy. Originally, it was never meant to see the light of day. It was developed from a disagreement on Bible prophecy. I was resolved not to send it as I thought it was redundant. It seemed to be a repeat of the issues or a natural conclusion to the facts as stated in my previous letters. Finally, I decided that what I took for granted must be said. Most were either not convinced, or did not understand. Also, this subject matter lends support to my other writings on the end times.I never know how to start these narratives. I do not comment on many topics, though I may have an opinion. I treat my words as Gold. I keep all my comments strictly on the end times and frequently asked questions. The main subject is always Satan and how he continues to twist the truth to his benefit.Where prophecy is concerned, it always takes time for events to unfold and become easier to see. This was the case with my posts on prophecy . I never envisioned the six month truce happening between Israel and Hamas, brokered by Egypt. Therefore, events as I see them in my mind, are set back 6 months. A lot has happened though in those six months. The economy is a wreck, the stock market has dropped by nearly half, and oil has dropped to around 30 dollars. The only bright spot is cheaper gas prices, which also means that terrorists get less of our petrol dollars. It's really too bad that our economy is so reliant on oil from countries in the Middle East. These same people want to cut our throats. If we were dealing with any other group of people there would be very little problem, but Islam wants to dominate. It wants everyone in submission to it. Christianity and Islam are incompatible, neither one can accept the other. It has always been this way and will never change. When Islam feels threatened, it finds new and improved ways to subvert the masses. Ask yourself this. Why won't Saudi Arabia allow Christians? In the U.S. we call that discrimination, lacking tolerance or being politically incorrect. When they can't have what they want they use our own laws against us. If all else fails and sometimes not, they use the Jihad excuse. I have heard it said many times. This is just our natural response.Back to the topic. I was going to keep this part to myself. I really saw no need to post it, but maybe I was wrong. You be the judge. This letter shall be in every place that has received previous posts by me. Therefore, all one has to do to get further explanation is to search out my screen name and all posts by me. This letter is a response to a question from a skeptic. Here we go...First of all, I did not set any dates. Furthermore, I have never named the false prophet. I have never named him because I saw no reason to name him. I figured by naming the beast (Mahmoud Abbas) everyone could see who the false prophet was. Since according to you I have committed slander, let's take that one step further. I haven't named the false prophet until this very post. I will not keep silent anymore. Here he is. The false prophet is Ismail Haniyeh. Most of you probably don't know who he is, so indulge me for a second. Ismail Haniyeh is the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. He shared power with Abbas for a short time during 2006 in the Unity Government. When Hamas chose not to honor the image of the beast, the international community cut off support to Abbas and the Palestinians. The image of the beast is three items; honoring all prior Palestinian agreements, recognizing Israel's right to exist and a renunciation of terror. Hamas enters the picture in Revelation 13:11. They are one horn of the beast, just as Abbas is also a horn. A horn is a king. Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast Abbas and caused them to worship the first beast (Abbas). How did Haniyeh cause them to worship the first beast?Because Hamas would not honor or abide by any prior Palestinian agreements and continued to sponsor terrorism, he caused the whole world to honor the image of the beast (which was Abbas and his government without Hamas). By not honoring or worshipping the image, Hamas caused the whole world to reject Hamas. This is just exactly the opposite of what Christians are taught. Most believe the false prophet is supposed to lead worship of some manlike image. This is absolutely wrong. The image is the Palestinian Government prior to the arrival of Hamas as a part in it. Hamas caused the world to honor the image. An Image defined by the international community.Strong's Concordance translates the word worship as honor. I wouldn't necessarily say the translators made a mistake by using the word worship instead of honor, but surely it confused the situation. BTW, this was by design. We are not supposed to understand until right before the end. Remember, the Lord spoke in parables. Not all are supposed to know...Michael777aka Ephraim
Ephraim, zmany times the Key to understanding the Christian Greek Scriptures is found in the Hebrew Scriptures. This is so when it comes to understanding what the Beasts of Revelation are. Daniel shows clearly what the Beasts are at Dan 7:2,3-8, 16-22. In these verses we find Daniel talking about 4Beasts, which are Kingdoms. Then at Dan 8:19-26, a description of these Beasts, showing that the Beasts are Kingdoms. These verses mention a 4th beast. Since Babylon was in power at the time, the Kingdoms were Medes and Persions, Greece Rome and the Anglo-American world power, amde up of Briton and The United States. At Rev 17:8-10 we are told that he total number of Kingdoms are 7, These were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medes and Persions, Rome, nd the Anglo-American world power. Notice that in verse 17:10 were are told by John that in his time 5 had fallen, one was, Rome, and one was yet to come, The Anglo-American. None of these Kingdoms are with God, because the Bible tells us that the Dragon, Satan, gave them their power and authority, Rev 13:1,2. Remember that Jesus said that Satan is the ruler of the world, John 12:31, Rev 12:10, Paul also, 2Cor 4:4, John too, 1John 5:19. Remember too that Jesus said that his kingdom was no part of this world, John 18:36,37. So having the Mark of the Beast means to have any interaction with these beasts. Notice in Rev 13:11,12. This 2 Horned beast that looks like a lamb, but starts to speak as a dragon, is the Anglo-American world power. Notice that it makes the ones who dwell on the earth to worship the First Wild Beast, whose death stroke got healed. This is a deacription of what happened to the Anglo-American world power during WW2. The war was like a death stroke, but it healed from the devastation. Then we find this same beast giving authority to make an Image of the Wild Beast. This Image turns out to be The United Nations, Rev 13:14-18, Rev 17:8, where we are told that the Wild beast WAS, then was not then was again. This is an exact description of what happened to the old League of Nations, started in 1919, then went out of existence during WW2, then came back again as the United Nations in 1945. Notice that this is called the 8th King Rev 17:11, but it too is an enemy of God, and goes off into destruction. We are not to put our trust in any MANMADE organization, Jere 10:23,but we are told to pray for God's Kingdom to come to earth, as it is in heaven. Matt 6:9,10. God's Kingdom id the only hope for mankind to ever have peace on earth. Putting hope in man's organization is ADULTERY to Jehovah God, James 4:4, John 18:36,37.:study:

Christina's
While I agree that radical Islam is most likely full of Tares that is proven by their fruit nameing Abbas and Haniyeh as the beast and false prohet is against the Words of the Bible and is a bunch of baloney
Fact #1Chris'
for one thing The beast who is antichrist comes in peacfully and prosperoulsy he heals the deadly wound and the Whole world follows after him he does miracles and wonders including causing lightning to cone down from heaven he sets up a one World government .. I certainly do not see the Whole world following after Abbas nor have I seen him doing any miraclesthe false prophet starts a one World religion and declares himself God/Christ I dont know who this so called prophet is but the sign of a true prophet is that he 100% right 100% of the time futher more you would think someone calling themselves a prophet could read the Word of God
You're suppose to be a moderator and the same thing you're accusing Ephraim of doing, you're doing. There's no scripture about the antichrist creating a one world religion.Chris'
This is just another lie of men ...its garbage .... a little truth a lot of lies ... but biblically illerate people will believe anything
So is your one religion statement.Jtar's
Ephraim,zmany times the Key to understanding the Christian Greek Scriptures is found in the Hebrew Scriptures. This is so when it comes to understanding what the Beasts of Revelation are.Daniel shows clearly what the Beasts are at Dan 7:2,3-8, 16-22. In these verses we find Daniel talking about 4Beasts, which are Kingdoms. Then at Dan 8:19-26, a description of these Beasts, showing that the Beasts are Kingdoms. These verses mention a 4th beast. Since Babylon was in power at the time, the Kingdoms were Medes and Persions, Greece Rome and the Anglo-American world power, amde up of Briton and The United States.
It should be a crime to propagate such lies. There's no biblical evidence for such a statement. The last kingdom mentioned was/is Rome (4th & 5th beast).jtar's
At Rev 17:8-10 we are told that he total number of Kingdoms are 7, These were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medes and Persions, Rome, nd the Anglo-American world power. Notice that in verse 17:10 were are told by John that in his time 5 had fallen, one was, Rome, and one was yet to come, The Anglo-American.
Is it your intentions to corrupt the word? The bible states that they were 7 mountains/ 7 kings of Rome, not 7 kingdoms. As for the 5 fallen kings, John recieved his vision in the year of the four emperors of Rome, 68-69ad.jtar's
None of these Kingdoms are with God, because the Bible tells us that the Dragon, Satan, gave them their power and authority, Rev 13:1,2.
He gave his power and authority to Rome, the beast. jtar's
Remember that Jesus said that Satan is the ruler of the world, John 12:31, Rev 12:10, Paul also, 2Cor 4:4, John too, 1John 5:19.Remember too that Jesus said that his kingdom was no part of this world, John 18:36,37.So having the Mark of the Beast means to have any interaction with these beasts.
Says who? jtar 2:4jtar's
Notice in Rev 13:11,12. This 2 Horned beast that looks like a lamb, but starts to speak as a dragon, is the Anglo-American world power. Notice that it makes the ones who dwell on the earth to worship the First Wild Beast, whose death stroke got healed. This is a deacription of what happened to the Anglo-American world power during WW2. The war was like a death stroke, but it healed from the devastation.
jtar 21:3-9jtar's
Then we find this same beast giving authority to make an Image of the Wild Beast. This Image turns out to be The United Nations, Rev 13:14-18, Rev 17:8, where we are told that the Wild beast WAS, then was not then was again. This is an exact description of what happened to the old League of Nations, started in 1919, then went out of existence during WW2, then came back again as the United Nations in 1945. Notice that this is called the 8th King Rev 17:11, but it too is an enemy of God, and goes off into destruction.We are not to put our trust in any MANMADE organization, Jere 10:23,but we are told to pray for God's Kingdom to come to earth, as it is in heaven. Matt 6:9,10. God's Kingdom id the only hope for mankind to ever have peace on earth.Putting hope in man's organization is ADULTERY to Jehovah God, James 4:4, John 18:36,37.
THE WORD ACCORDING TO JTARTAR 2006

We won't know who the prophet is until the pseudo christ appears.

Denver's
That's enough of the smart remarks, please keep discussion on target and civil. Thanks.
What smart remarks? You're missing the point. Servant's
We won't know who the prophet is until the pseudo christ appears.
Really? Tell me more.

2 Thessalonians 2 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, Our gathering i.e. the harvest of End Time i.e. the coming of the Lord that is the subject here and places the time we discussing that is the End 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; What must happen before that Day??? A falling Away from the true word of God its this falling away that will cause God to allow the delusion of verse 11 below. And What else must happen The Man of sin must be revealed, the son od Perdition Who is this A MAN WHO HAS SINNED AND HAS ALREADY BEEN CONDEMNED TO UTTER DESTRUCTION (according to the Greek) no single human has yet been judged to utter destruction only Satan (the antichrist has been judged to utter destruction 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This man above (Satan)antichrist does what sets himself up as God this is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet ..Antichrist will stand in holy of holies and declare himself god ... 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. Its not yet his time the tribulation period is his time and he knows his time is short7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, We see Antichrist (Satan) he has power and there will be signs and he will perform wonders and miracles and with these he will deceive ... Let no man deceive you was the warning10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The whole world will follow after the beast this suto Christ this pretender Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. This is the time 2 Thess is talking about the time of the EndNow you are free to read the scripture yourself and draw your own conclusions but reguardless of what some will tell you and try to twist Gods word to their own interptation this is the scenario of the End times and there is a fake christ an Antichrist coming learn about it so you are not among the deceived

Chris'

2 Thessalonians 21Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, Our gathering i.e. the harvest of End Time i.e. the coming of the Lord that is the subject here and places the time we discussing that is the End

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The question is context and your interpretation of Revelation. From my understanding, I know that there is atleast 3 harvests in Rev. and I'm sure you and I are not included in the firstfruits for two reasons. Reason #1, the firstfruits was/are the people that walked with Christ. The 2nd harvest is of the world, the good and the bad from the beginning to that time. The 3rd is the world from that time to future.

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

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Again, what's the context of this 2,000 yr old verse? 2,000yrs is being at hand? Wow!!

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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Food for thought, Judas also was called the son of perdition?

What must happen before that Day??? A falling Away from the true word of God its this falling away that will cause God to allow the delusion of verse 11 below. And What else must happen The Man of sin must be revealed, the son od Perdition

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I think you know that you're adding on to God's word. The verse is referring to a fallen away of who the son of perdition is (hint, hint), not a fallen away of the truth of God's word. Gimme a break!

Who is this A MAN WHO HAS SINNED AND HAS ALREADY BEEN CONDEMNED TO UTTER DESTRUCTION (according to the Greek) no single human has yet been judged to utter destruction only Satan (the antichrist has been judged to utter destruction

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Verses please, and Satan is not the antichrist. The antichrist is the false prophet.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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That's interesting, since the temple was destroyed in 70ad. Context!

This man above (Satan)antichrist does what sets himself up as God this is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet ..Antichrist will stand in holy of holies and declare himself god ...

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Wasn't this prophecy given 2,000yrs ago before the temple was destroyed.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. Its not yet his time the tribulation period is his time and he knows his time is short7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

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And then the beast burns while satan is bound for a 1,000yrs.....

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

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Who's him coming after the working of Satan. Who's he?

We see Antichrist (Satan) he has power and there will be signs and he will perform wonders and miracles and with these he will deceive ... Let no man deceive you was the warning

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Satan of the false prophet?

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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That' exactly my point.

The whole world will follow after the beast this suto Christ this pretender

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The whole world already has. Christ's return is liken to the days of Noah, only eight souls saved.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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And he's even painted a picture to represent/replace God.

This is the time 2 Thess is talking about the time of the End

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That's your opinion. The end time as prophecied in Joel was Christ's time, the last days of man's direct contact with God that the Jews and the disciples endured. That's why revelation is a book of instruction.

Now you are free to read the scripture yourself and draw your own conclusions but reguardless of what some will tell you and try to twist Gods word to their own interptation this is the scenario of the End times and there is a fake christ an Antichrist coming learn about it so you are not among the deceived

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The public's my witness, action speaks way louder than words!!

(precepts;68909)
Chris' Quote:2 Thessalonians 21Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, Our gathering i.e. the harvest of End Time i.e. the coming of the Lord that is the subject here and places the time we discussing that is the End The question is context and your interpretation of Revelation. From my understanding, I know that there is atleast 3 harvests in Rev. and I'm sure you and I are not included in the firstfruits for two reasons. Reason #1, the firstfruits was/are the people that walked with Christ. The 2nd harvest is of the world, the good and the bad from the beginning to that time. The 3rd is the world from that time to future.
First fruits are those that won the victory in the first earth age. You need to STUDY Ezekiel
Quote:2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Again, what's the context of this 2,000 yr old verse? 2,000yrs is being at hand? Wow!!
Remember hearing about the gap, it is the "mystery of God Grace, The Dispensation of Grace. That is what fills in this 2000 years.
Quote:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Food for thought, Judas also was called the son of perdition?
No, THE son of perdition is Satan, the One and Only One judged by God in the first earth age. You need to STUDY Ezekiel
Quote:What must happen before that Day??? A falling Away from the true word of God its this falling away that will cause God to allow the delusion of verse 11 below. And What else must happen The Man of sin must be revealed, the son od Perdition I think you know that you're adding on to God's word. The verse is referring to a fallen away of who the son of perdition is (hint, hint), not a fallen away of the truth of God's word. Gimme a break! Quote:Who is this A MAN WHO HAS SINNED AND HAS ALREADY BEEN CONDEMNED TO UTTER DESTRUCTION (according to the Greek) no single human has yet been judged to utter destruction only Satan (the antichrist has been judged to utter destruction Verses please, and Satan is not the antichrist. The antichrist is the false prophet.
You need to become aware of and study the many names of Satan. Read your Bible You are not ready and you will be deceived.
Quote:4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. That's interesting, since the temple was destroyed in 70ad. Context!
Again read the Scriptures, Daniel, Minor Prophets, Revelation. Does it say something more about the Temple?
Quote:The whole world will follow after the beast this suto Christ this pretender The whole world already has. Christ's return is liken to the days of Noah, only eight souls saved.
And if you don't get cracking, you are not going to be one of them.precepts, I don't know who you have been studying Scripture with but they have lead you astray. Get into the Word of God.

Tom's
First fruits are those that won the victory in the first earth age. You need to STUDY Ezekiel
Verses please, and define first and second earth age.
Chris'2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

preceptsAgain, what's the context of this 2,000 yr old verse? 2,000yrs is being at hand? Wow!!

Tom'sRemember hearing about the gap, it is the "mystery of God Grace, The Dispensation of Grace. That is what fills in this 2000 years.
Verses, please. Never heard of the "gap", dispensation of grace, or the filling of this gap. Please elaborate.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Food for thought, Judas also was called the son of perdition? No, THE son of perdition is Satan, the One and Only One judged by God in the first earth age. You need to STUDY Ezekiel
Maybe in your world but in the real world according to the bible, Judas is called the son of perdition (John 17:12).
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. That's interesting, since the temple was destroyed in 70ad. Context! Again read the Scriptures, Daniel, Minor Prophets, Revelation. Does it say something more about the Temple?
The temple was destroyed in 70ad, what more can be said about that temple. The temple mentioned in Rev. is not the same temple nor is it a rebuilt temple.
The whole world will follow after the beast this suto Christ this pretender The whole world already has. Christ's return is liken to the days of Noah, only eight souls saved. And if you don't get cracking, you are not going to be one of them.
With moderators like you and Chris who could be saved?
tom'sprecepts, I don't know who you have been studying Scripture with but they have lead you astray. Get into the Word of God.
Action speaks way louder than words, my friend, and fortunately for you, I don't believe everything I'm told. Go figure!!Thought for the day: When I think of Satan's cunningness in the garden of eden, I think of a false preacher of the word.

With people like you who think the Bible is history Book all done no one would ever be the first ressurected... You used to have a little direction precepts I dont know what happened to you but you better stop lisiening to men and learn to hear God as cocky as you have become your pride and arrogance are going to be your downfall. This is a Bible study site you give nothing but opinions and smart remarks sense you already think you know it all why are you hanging with all us fools ..in your opinion who actully read and quote scripture

precepts,I am done with you, until you do your homework. Or just put it on the shelf. You will understand it in the millennium.Haven't you been reading any of this forum? Or are you just arguing?

Christina's
With people like you who think the Bible is history Book all done no one would ever be the first ressurected..
. Or people like you who don't answer my questions or address the facts. I know your type, your game, because I discern spirits.chris'
You used to have a little direction precepts I dont know what happened to you but you better stop lisiening to men and learn to hear God as cocky as you have become your pride and arrogance are going to be your downfall.
Is that to run concurent with my previous sentence?
chris'This is a Bible study site you give nothing but opinions and smart remarks sense you already think you know it all why are you hanging with all us fools ..in your opinion who actully read and quote scripture
Why, because I love stumping the devil!!
tom'sprecepts,I am done with you, until you do your homework. Or just put it on the shelf. You will understand it in the millennium.Haven't you been reading any of this forum? Or are you just arguing?
I wonder if he's getting thru to me or should I dish out more of my precious pearls?

While we should keep watch and try to discern who the antichrist of the end times will be, we must becareful when speculating and naming names should not be done.It's easy to see certain signs that a person is AN antichrist, that doesn't mean he's THE antichrist. IMHO we should be more diligent in keeping track of the signs of the things to come rather than wondering, "Is this guy the one". When you see this man of perdition stand in the holy place, you will know without a doubt! "Keep watch" But also, becareful that the study of the end times doesn't take away from our study and growth in our relationship with Jesus or any ministry one might have going on at the time.I think it's more important that people agree on the prophesy rather than agree in who or what.