Mike Waters
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One is tempted to wonder if there is any 'theology' that, whilst appearing to be clearly underpinned by certain scriptures, does not appear to be equally clearly undermined by other scriptures.
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Since the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion, that is evidently false.One is tempted to wonder if there is any 'theology' that, whilst appearing to be clearly underpinned by certain scriptures, does not appear to be equally clearly undermined by other scriptures.
Correct, people are missing what was predestined, Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren". the salvation is in his Son, who was predestine to comeSince the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion, that is evidently false.
In fact there are no contradictions in Scripture. But unless it is rightly divided (interpreted) it will result in confusion.
If God offers salvation to all of humanity (which He clearly does) it stands to reason that He does not elect some for salvation and others for damnation. Therefore there must be another purpose for predestination and election. And that too is clearly spelled out.
Yes, Like alot of doctrineCorrect, people are missing what was predestined, Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren". the salvation is in his Son, who was predestine to come
NEXT VERSE, Romans 8:30 "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified".
PICJAG.
I think scripture says we are predestined, Not everything is predestined. AMEN
Everything is predestined, ie. God knows what will happen and when.
If God does not know the future, then we can make our own future outside the hands of the Lord, and things are not set, just hoped for.
Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.If God cannot choose not to know certain things about the future and the free-will of man, then He is not God.
If God cannot choose not to know certain things about the future and the free-will of man, then He is not God.
There is a heretical group who believe we can create our own future, that God makes us eternal like Him, and we have the creative ability to make the future. The lack of clarity is put down to God not knowing what will come, but letting it unfold. This theology comes out of latter rain theology and the little gods idea, where God has no longer authority on earth. When I heard "christian" preachers teaching this, Benny Hinn, I almost fell off my chair laughing. He cannot create a good future for himself, but in creation, this is just the world of the insane.
Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.
What you meant is everything is FOREKNOWN. Known beforehand. However, some things are predestined, or predetermined by God. The best example is the crucifixion of Christ.Everything is predestined, ie. God knows what will happen and when.
If God does not know the future, then we can make our own future outside the hands of the Lord, and things are not set, just hoped for.
If one thing is predestined EVERYTHING must be predestined!What you meant is everything is FOREKNOWN. Known beforehand. However, some things are predestined, or predetermined by God. The best example is the crucifixion of Christ.
Now we have a couple of separate issues, related to the genuineness of conversion.I prefer 1 John 3:18-24
As already noted in Romans 8, NOTHING can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. This is addressed to those who are justified. Which also means that nothing can change the fact that (1) God justifies guilty sinners by His grace, and not based upon their merits (2) God gives those who are justified the gift of the Holy Spirit, and (3) the Holy Spirit regenerates those who are justified. If you cannot believe that, then you do not believe the Word of God. That does not mean that the sin nature has been removed. And God does deal with wilful sins in His children, but that does not mean that they are no longer children of God.Too many who use your verses out of context and separate them from the conditions in the beginning of the chapter do not believe that willful sins of the flesh can separate us from God, but 1 John 3 shows otherwise, as does Galatians 5:19-21.
You seem to have forgotten that Paul includes "life" as well as "death". Life is not an outside force, but your life -- what you do or not do. So even if Christians sin (and there is not one who is sinlessly perfect) they cannot be separated from God.Look at your verses again and notice these are outside forces, not what you do yourself, which is why I prefer 1 John 3:21-24.
FALSE. God does not -- and would not -- predestine you to commit murder.If one thing is predestined EVERYTHING must be predestined!
You seem to have forgotten that Paul includes "life" as well as "death". Life is not an outside force, but your life -- what you do or not do. So even if Christians sin (and there is not one who is sinlessly perfect) they cannot be separated from God.
If one thing is predestined EVERYTHING must be predestined!