Where do aborted babies go?

quietthinker · Sep 19, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Forgive me please, I don't have the first clue what 'barrow' is, let alone what it means. And I'm not familiar with 'narf', etc. It could be that I don't understand the culture of these forums, but I'll learn.

SG...it was me who mentioned 'barrow'... post #201
A barrow is something you push or carry....it's used as a metaphor and in this context for what you primarily carry in your message.
In your case right from the outset its predestination.....subsequently my questions.

Please ask if you don't know.

By the way, I think bbyrd009 has his own dictionary......it's a worry keeping up but I'm sure he'll clarify if you get on his case.

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 19, 2020

quietthinker said:
SG...it was me who mentioned 'barrow'... post #201
A barrow is something you push or carry....it's used as a metaphor and in this context for what you primarily carry in your message.
In your case right from the outset its predestination.....subsequently my questions.

Please ask if you don't know.

By the way, I think bbyrd009 has his own dictionary......it's a worry keeping up but I'm sure he'll clarify if you get on his case.

Alrighty then, thanks.

I use the doctrine of election because the Bible teaches it.

Here are some verses that teach it:

John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV) The words of Jesus.

37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV) The words of Jesus

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Romans 9:9-24English Standard Version (ESV)

9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[a] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

Ephesians 1:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

Romans 8:28-30English Standard Version (ESV)

28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

This is known as the golden chain of redemption.

Ephesians 2:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Acts 13:48English Standard Version (ESV)

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Colossians 2:13English Standard Version (ESV)

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

Titus 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

1 Peter 1:3English Standard Version (ESV)

Born Again to a Living Hope

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2 Timothy 2:25English Standard Version (ESV)

25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

Ezekiel 36:25-26English Standard Version (ESV)

25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Deuteronomy 30:6English Standard Version (ESV)

6 And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

Cooper · Sep 19, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Why did God command Israel to kill every man, woman and child in some of the heathen nations.

You say God, as in the first few chapters of Genesis, but in Deuteronomy Moses says Lord.

Do you think the pre-incarnate Jesus would command genocide including the murder of children, or would it be Melchizedek the king of Salem and priest of the most high God, to whom Abraham gave a tenth of all he had taken?

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace (Hebrews 7:1-2 KJV)

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Cooper · Sep 19, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Alrighty then, thanks.

I use the doctrine of election because the Bible teaches it.

Here are some verses that teach it:

John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV) The words of Jesus.

37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV) The words of Jesus

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Romans 9:9-24English Standard Version (ESV)

9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[a] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

Ephesians 1:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

Romans 8:28-30English Standard Version (ESV)

28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

This is known as the golden chain of redemption.

Ephesians 2:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Acts 13:48English Standard Version (ESV)

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Colossians 2:13English Standard Version (ESV)

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

Titus 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

1 Peter 1:3English Standard Version (ESV)

Born Again to a Living Hope

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2 Timothy 2:25English Standard Version (ESV)

25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

Ezekiel 36:25-26English Standard Version (ESV)

25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Deuteronomy 30:6English Standard Version (ESV)

6 And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

God's salvation is for ALL people. Everyone from the foundation of the earth, including Adam and Eve were among the elect. God died for the whole world, remember John 3:16, but few in number are those who choose to accept God's gift of salvation, thereby un-electing themselves.
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Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 20, 2020

Cooper said:
God's salvation is for ALL people. Everyone from the foundation of the earth, including Adam and Eve were among the elect. God died for the whole world, remember John 3:16, but few in number are those who choose to accept God's gift of salvation, thereby un-electing themselves.
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Umm, I disagree, but I do so respectfully. I disagree because Jesus himself disagrees. These are His words:

John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV)

37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV)

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

In John 3:16 the disputed word is world. The Greek word is 'kosmos'. G2889 - kosmos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) It does not every single individual whoever lived.

The KJV translates Strong's G3956 in the following manner: all (748x), all things (170x), every (117x), all men (41x), whosoever (31x), everyone (28x), whole (12x), all manner of (11x), every man (11x), no (with G3756) (9x), every thing (7x), any (7x), whatsoever (6x), whosoever (with G3739) (with G302) (3x), always (with G1223) (3x), daily (with G2250) (2x), any thing (2x), no (with G3361) (2x), not translated (7x), miscellaneous (26x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

individually
1. each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
collectively
1. some of all types

I am concerned that this is inching away from the topic. Hopefully the mods will let me know because I don't want to be responsible for a hi-jack.

CharismaticLady · Sep 20, 2020

Cooper said:
You say God, as in the first few chapters of Genesis, but in Deuteronomy Moses says Lord.

Do you think the pre-incarnate Jesus would command genocide including the murder of children, or would it be Melchizedek the king of Salem and priest of the most high God, to whom Abraham gave a tenth of all he had taken?

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace (Hebrews 7:1-2 KJV)

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The Children of Israel were over four hundred years after Abraham. Who do you think commanded Israel to kill those nations? And why?

Cooper · Sep 20, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Umm, I disagree, but I do so respectfully. I disagree because Jesus himself disagrees. These are His words:

John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV)

37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV)

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

In John 3:16 the disputed word is world. The Greek word is 'kosmos'. G2889 - kosmos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) It does not every single individual whoever lived.

The KJV translates Strong's G3956 in the following manner: all (748x), all things (170x), every (117x), all men (41x), whosoever (31x), everyone (28x), whole (12x), all manner of (11x), every man (11x), no (with G3756) (9x), every thing (7x), any (7x), whatsoever (6x), whosoever (with G3739) (with G302) (3x), always (with G1223) (3x), daily (with G2250) (2x), any thing (2x), no (with G3361) (2x), not translated (7x), miscellaneous (26x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

individually

each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything

collectively

some of all types

I am concerned that this is inching away from the topic. Hopefully the mods will let me know because I don't want to be responsible for a hi-jack.

There you are, you have just destroyed pre-destination.

This is not the thread topic as you say.

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 20, 2020

Cooper said:
There you are, you have just destroyed pre-destination.

This is not the thread topic as you say.

No, I've not destroyed predestination. I believe in it because the Bible tells me to.

I'm happy to see any objections from the Bible. But you won't.

Giuliano · Sep 20, 2020

Phoneman777 said:
I don't have to "think" because the Bible is clear: the dead rest in the grave and await the Resurrection. It seems to me that babies, having died in innocence, will come up from their graves in the First Resurrection.t

God is the God of the living and not the dead.

Cooper · Sep 20, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
The Children of Israel were over four hundred years after Abraham. Who do you think commanded Israel to kill those nations? And why?

The order of Melchizedek, (the priesthood), continued on through Aaron and his sons "And Aaron and his sons I will sanctify to serve me and I will dwell amidst the sons of Israel and I will be to them a God, (notice is says a God) and they will know that I (am) God their Master that took them out from the land of Egypt (in order that) I (will) dwell in their midst" Exodus 29:44-46

This continued until Jesus and then we have a new High Priest and a totally different order. Seeing as God is unchanging and abhors sacrifice, I ask myself to whom were the people sacrificing?

Isaiah 1:11 NKJV "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.

1 Samuel 15:22 NKJV So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Psa 40:5-6 Many, O LORD my God, are Your wonderful works Which You have done; And Your thoughts toward us Cannot be recounted to You in order; If I would declare and speak of them, They are more than can be numbered. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; My ears You have opened. Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.

The killing in the Old Testament amounted to a total disregard of the 6th commandment and the commandment to do such a terrible thing would not have come from the one who gave us the commandments, but from another "Lord."
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Giuliano · Sep 20, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
ha well if you goto Rome i guess you gotta expect Cult of Sol Mithraists eh

the didache, srsly G?

Don't ask me to explain what they believe!

Giuliano · Sep 20, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
I did not say that babies may burn in hell. But babies in the womb, are not innocent. At least according to scripture.
Psalm 58:3

New American Standard Bible

3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
These who speak lies go astray from [a]birth.

So, the Bible does not say or even imply that babies are innocent.

Baptism didn't exist in the Old Testament. It was all about circumcision. Since that is a subject unto itself, I won't address it here out of respect for the TOS.

I would not assume everyone is wicked and estranged from the womb. That says "the wicked" are. Should we believe God wants the whole human race wiped out? If we interpret "the wicked" to mean everyone, we would have to believe God wants everyone dead.

Psalm 104:35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the Lord, O my soul. Praise ye the Lord.

Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau before they were born? Why was one elect and the other not? Circumcision didn't have a thing to do with that.

What the Bible does say is that God does not punish children for the sins of their parents.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

I would say baptism does exist in the Old Testament. The Jews say Pharaoh's daughter was going to the Nile to be baptized. Maybe you can't believe that; but we also read that Israel was baptized in the sea and in the cloud. I infer as well that the whole earth was baptized by the Flood of Noah.

1 Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

The elect are not wicked from the womb.

Psalm 22:9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

The elect are "known" by God before they are born -- the non-elect are not known by God in that way. "Know" in "foreknow" means "to have a relationship" not "know about" as some suppose. The elect are "formed in the womb" by God.

Isaiah 42:2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

Isaiah 49:5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

Giuliano · Sep 20, 2020

Earburner said:
JEsus is eternal, before and after the cross. The truthful answer is literally staring you in the face in 2 Peter 3:18-20.

If you can't see it, then it is due to the preconceived LIE of what has been fed to Christians for centuries. See Genesis 2:7,
and learn that Adam "became a living soul". He didn't get one!!
Apart from Jesus, no one has eternal existence of any kind!

Subconsciously, all christians filter almost all of their biblical knowledge through Genesis 2:7, not knowing that most of them have started out by BELIEVING A LIE!

"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner.

I have no idea what you're saying.

Giuliano · Sep 20, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
a literal tempest in a teapot, yeh!
they die?

can you Quote Yah ever sending anyone to "hell," G?

Jesus did say we should Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell. What does that mean?

Gehenna is right here on earth, right

Could be in part -- could be wherever children of hell find themselves.

Marymog · Sep 20, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
I'm pleased to provide you some answers if I can.
I admire Charles Haddon Spurgeon for his mastery of the scriptures. His teaching is sound and based upon the best hermeneutic available.

I love (completely) my Lord Jesus Christ. It is he, who I follow.

Where should you go for questions regarding your faith? There is only one trustworthy source. The Holy Bible. I understand that you have a different Bible, so we deal with that later, if you wish. I don't believe almsgiving can buy one's salvation.

Water doesn't cleanse us from all unrighteousness, the blood of Jesus Christ does that. Baptism is an act of obedience to God.

Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? | CARM.org

Thank you.

You believe the man Spurgeon teaching is sound. I believe the men of The Churches teaching is sound.

You can go to this website for questions regarding my faith: Catechism of the Catholic Church

Where can I go for questions regarding your faith? CARM.org?

You say water doesn’t cleanse us. Scripture says different (Acts 22:16). Soooooo....What are you waiting for Spurgeon follower? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away!

bbyrd009 · Sep 20, 2020

Giuliano said:
Jesus did say we should Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell. What does that mean? Could be in part -- could be wherever children of hell find themselves.

so then the Scriptural concept of Gehenna right here on earth is changed into the Norse/Angle concept of "hell" in some unQuotable "afterlife" and badabing huh
ok
ill revere Him Who can destroy both body and life/soul in Gehenna, and let he who digs a pit for others to fall into do what they like, even to mongering fear and divining the future for others if thats what they want to do

bbyrd009 · Sep 20, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
I admire Charles Haddon Spurgeon for his mastery of the scriptures. His teaching is sound and based upon the best hermeneutic available.

ok well i like him myself, but im pretty sure he was convinced that he was going somewhere special after he died, too, right? So iow maybe not the best hermen available, but rather the one Esau likes the best

Spurgeon's Girl said:
I love (completely) my Lord Jesus Christ. It is he, who I follow.

apparently many will be crying that, but i suggest that Christ is not that Spirit Who will be majikally be taking you somewhere after you have died, like we are taught, by other guys who also speak in absolutes. So i would ask if you believe you are going up to heaven after you have died, to become an immortal, or no?

Giuliano · Sep 20, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
so then the Scriptural concept of Gehenna right here on earth is changed into the Norse/Angle concept of "hell" in some unQuotable "afterlife" and badabing huh
ok
ill revere Him Who can destroy both body and life/soul in Gehenna, and let he who digs a pit for others to fall into do what they like, even to mongering fear and divining the future for others if thats what they want to do

I don't want to give too many details about how I visited hell once to preach. I figured if Jesus did, maybe I could. I asked if I could and was finally allowed to. It was a dreadful place, to be sure. (The part I visited didn't have flames; but I did see a place in hell once that had flames.) I could not get one person to change his mind -- I told them they could get out -- it didn't matter to them. They were trapped there by their own hate. When I returned to my body, I saw they had indeed fallen into the pit they dug for others. They wanted that kind of hell to exist, so it did.

A second visit was to a less terrible place, but again no one wanted to listen to what I had to say. They thought they were worshiping God.

So what does happen when we die? My experiences tell me we go where our "treasure" is. I've seen other sections of hell -- and from what I can see, people are attracted to various places when their consciousness is no longer tied to their bodies. If you like to think about good things, that's where you'll be attracted when the physical body loses its "magnetic" attraction on you.

Matthew 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

If there wasn't a place with hellfire, God might have to invent it to keep some people happy. The afterlife is odd -- since we often do help create it. The people here who think we all fall asleep and know nothing? That is probably what they'll do. When their bodies die, they'll say, "Now what do I do? Time to go to sleep, I guess." Ha, Jesus woke some people like that shortly after the crucifixion -- and they came out of their graves. But we still have people convinced they'll be going to sleep, so I suppose they will.

CharismaticLady · Sep 20, 2020

Cooper said:
The killing in the Old Testament amounted to a total disregard of the 6th commandment and the commandment to do such a terrible thing would not have come from the one who gave us the commandments, but from another "Lord."

Oh my, you do believe some strange things...

Cooper · Sep 20, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Oh my, you do believe some strange things...

How come? It's scriptural.

Where do aborted babies go?

Where do you think aborted babies go?

Heaven

Hell

Other

Don't know

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