Hell Fire

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
You're the only one saying that. Read your posts. Stop trying to put your ridiculous comment on me.

So when you die you will "cease to exist"? Oh my.
Revelation 20:12-15 (NKJV)
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Have you ever read the Bible?

Yes I've read the Bible and I see nowhere in the scriptures that God is a person who gets off on torture like you and others are trying to make him out to be.

Taken · Oct 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
I disagree with what you said here for so many scriptural reasons. For one thing the scriptures don't say we have souls the scriptures say we are souls. So when you talk about humans with the exclusion of the flesh and blood as though soul and flesh and blood are separate you're always going to be scripturally wrong.
Also when God was speaking of Adams punishment telling him that, "in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return," when God used the word "thou"(You) when speaking to Adam regarding his punishment he wasn't speaking to only part of Adam as you are trying to say, God was speaking to the whole person Adam. So you saying, "body's become dead, return to earth, living souls depart dead body's," isn't scriptural. Before God took dust from the ground and created Adam he didn't exist, so when God said to Adam, " dust you are and dust you will return," Adam would go back into non-existence. Death means you cease to exist. The only place you truly exist is in God's memory if he has judged you worthy of a resurrection.

Disagree.

Scripture reveals, the Creation and Making of a man.
Man...
has a natural body with (BLOOD Life).
has a natural spirit (Heartful Truth).
has a Living soul with (Life from God).

1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your (possessive) whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Three separate things of one man.

Jesus goes into great detail in Scripture-
Revealing-
Man's spirit, Man's soul, Man's spirit...
IS Corrupt.

Jesus goes into great detail in Scripture-
Revealing-

The POWER of God, "CHRIST";
•Can Forgive a mans Corrupt state.
•Can ... RE-BIRTH a man's spirit
•Can ... Re-STORE a man's soul
•Can ... Raise UP a man's body immortal

Death of a body does NOT mean the body "ceases" to Exist.

Death of a body means "LIFE" ceases to EXIST IN the Body.

The Blood life OF the body Dies.
The Body is buried.
IF the Body IS forgiven, IT shall be raised immortal.
IF the Body is Not forgiven, IT shalll be raised, Judged, destroyed.

The Living soul departs a dead Body.
If the Soul is Restored/Saved, that Living soul Departed out of its dead body, shall go to Heaven, rest IN Comfort. Wait for judgement.
IF the soul is Not Saved/Restored, that Living
Soul Departed out of its dead body, shall go to hell, be in distress and Discomfort. Wait for judgement.

IF the spirit IS Born Again, that spirit, leaves its dead body, goes to Heaven, to wait Judgement.
If a Body's spirit Is NOT Born Again, that man's Natural spirit Dies with its body.

The Restored/Saved soul of A man-
The Born Again spirit of a man-
The Raising of a man's body-

"IS" Expressly taught of that man being "MADE" Wholly, WHOLE....Changed From
Corrupt....To Uncorrupted....BY the Power OF God.

• Yes Scripture Does teach the Soul Departs a Dead Body.

•Gen 35:18
•1 Kings 17:17-23
• Mark 12:27

Glory to God,
Taken

Bible_Gazer · Oct 18, 2020

What keeps a hell bound sinner alive eternally ?
Did Jesus give them life also ?
I thought life was a gift for the righteous.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 18, 2020

Taken said:
Disagree.

Scripture reveals, the Creation and Making of a man.
Man...
has a natural body with (BLOOD Life).
has a natural spirit (Heartful Truth).
has a Living soul with (Life from God).

1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your (possessive) whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Three separate things of one man.

Jesus goes into great detail in Scripture-
Revealing-
Man's spirit, Man's soul, Man's spirit...
IS Corrupt.

Jesus goes into great detail in Scripture-
Revealing-

The POWER of God, "CHRIST";
•Can Forgive a mans Corrupt state.
•Can ... RE-BIRTH a man's spirit
•Can ... Re-STORE a man's soul
•Can ... Raise UP a man's body immortal

Death of a body does NOT mean the body "ceases" to Exist.

Death of a body means "LIFE" ceases to EXIST IN the Body.

The Blood life OF the body Dies.
The Body is buried.
IF the Body IS forgiven, IT shall be raised immortal.
IF the Body is Not forgiven, IT shalll be raised, Judged, destroyed.

The Living soul departs a dead Body.
If the Soul is Restored/Saved, that Living soul Departed out of its dead body, shall go to Heaven, rest IN Comfort. Wait for judgement.
IF the soul is Not Saved/Restored, that Living
Soul Departed out of its dead body, shall go to hell, be in distress and Discomfort. Wait for judgement.

IF the spirit IS Born Again, that spirit, leaves its dead body, goes to Heaven, to wait Judgement.
If a Body's spirit Is NOT Born Again, that man's Natural spirit Dies with its body.

The Restored/Saved soul of A man-
The Born Again spirit of a man-
The Raising of a man's body-

"IS" Expressly taught of that man being "MADE" Wholly, WHOLE....Changed From
Corrupt....To Uncorrupted....BY the Power OF God.

• Yes Scripture Does teach the Soul Departs a Dead Body.

•Gen 35:18
•1 Kings 17:17-23
• Mark 12:27

Glory to God,
Taken

The word Soul as used in the Bible isn't used as separate from the body. When scripture speaks of the Soul it always includes the flesh and blood. The Bible shows that both neʹphesh and psy·kheʹ, both words being translated Soul in connection with earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal. So the scriptures don't speak of Soul as being something separate from the human or separates at death.

kcnalp · Oct 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Yes I've read the Bible and I see nowhere in the scriptures that God is a person who gets off on torture like you and others are trying to make him out to be.

'Gets off"? What does that mean? Do you even know? So you don't fear God? The Bible calls those who don't fear God "fools".
Proverbs 1:7 (NKJV)
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Everybody will learn to fear God, now or in Hell, but they will learn.

kcnalp · Oct 18, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
What keeps a hell bound sinner alive eternally ?
Did Jesus give them life also ?
I thought life was a gift for the righteous.

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Butch5 · Oct 18, 2020

Taken said:
No thanks.
Jesus Himself reveals important Facts ABOUT the understanding OF Mysteries, that Expounds on the Mysteries Already Revealed.

John 14.
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mark 4:
[2] And he taught them many things [/B] by parables, [/B] and said unto them in his doctrine,

Matt 13
[11] He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luke.8
[10] And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Jesus' WORDS out of His Mouth -
He is the TRUTH.
He Speaks TRUTH.
He reveals HIS DOCTRINE.
He Reveals TRUTHS About MYSTERIES.

MYSTERY REVEALED: in the Beginning.
God CREATED;
• WHO- man KIND of thing.
• WHAT- male And female
• WHEN- 6th Day
• WHY- Gods Pleasure
• WHERE- Earth (outside of Gods Garden).
• NAMED- male and female; Adam
• Mankind of Thing- Bodily FORM, out of the Earth- GIVEN LIFE- SHALL CEASE Living- Die- RETURN to the Earth.

CREATION of man a Mystery? No.
Fully Told to man.
Man has Freewill TO Believe what knowledge was Revealed TO Him...or Not Believe it.

MAKING of a man a Mystery? No.
God CREATED a man-KIND of Thing- and THEN immediately- MADE- His CREATED thing- "something" "MORE".
• WHO- Man-KIND of thing.
...BODILY Form - male and female
...DUST of the Earth
...NAMED Adam
• WHAT- MADE that FORM ALIVE
...Gods BREATH.
• WHEN- immediately AFTER it was FORM-ED.
• WHY- For Gods Pleasure.
• HOW- Gods BREATH, BLOWN INTO the Formed man.

MYSTERY-
• Mankind of thing, called A LIVING SOUL
MYSTERY revealed-
• The Mankind of THING, "NAMED" ADAM-
...IS and HAS (possessive) ...
• A Formed Body...with ITS OWN Life- BLOOD
...ITS LIFE, SHALL Die.
• The SOUL in the Body- IS Given- BY God.
• THE SOUL- Has ITS OWN LIFE- Gods BREATH
• The Body- possessively- Belongs to the man.
• A Man Can KILL his OWN BODILY Form.
• The Soul- possessively- Belongs TO God- Called By the Same Name, as the man's Bodily Form.
• A man CAN NOT KILL Gods Soul.
• A man CAN "Corrupt" Gods Soul (that was given by God, INTO, that man's Body).

MYSTERY:
What Becomes of Gods SOUL IN a man-
WHEN the Man's Formed BODILY LIFE (BLOOD) ceases being ALIVE?

MYSTERY Revealed:
Gods Soul, with Gods Breath OF His LIFE, WITHIN an individual man's Identifiable NAME,
DEPARTES / LEAVES, "that" man's BODY, as its BLOOD LIFE is Dying.

MYSTERY:
WHERE does GOD'S Soul, Identified BY a Man's NAME, GO?

MYSTERY Revealed:
• Escorted: by Gods Angel's TO:
A Place of Comfort- WITH God.
OR ...
• Sent: TO a Place of Discomfort- WITHOUT God.

STILL ^^ a Mystery TO Some- for example;
(some claiming the soul DIES and is buried with the Body) <--- No.

MYSTERY-
WHAT "exactly" IS A "SOUL", With God Breath of Life "IN IT?"

MYSTERY: Revealed.
What a man CALLS "SENSES"...
The Specific BODY parts OF A CREATED Man
That FUNCTION, WITH GODS, Breath of Life.

A Man, Body of Dust..
HAS Eyes- (see)
HAS Ears- (hear)
HAS Flesh Skin- (touch/feel)
HAS A Nose- (smell)
HAS A Mouth- (speech)

The Man's Body Dies-
Eyes, Ears, Flesh, Nose, Mouth- Dies.
• A DEAD BODY-
Sees nothing-
Hears nothing-
Feels nothing-
Smells nothing-
Speaks nothing-

Listen- WHO? EVERY man.
Not Exclusive to- Jews, Tribes, Israel or Gentiles. --->

Luke 16:
[16] The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 16: 19-31
Clearly Revealed in Gen. and Clearly Verified in Luke.
• Body's and Souls have the Same Name Identity.
• Living souls Departed Out of Dead and Buried Body's ... Are escorted by Gods Angel's, TO Comfort.
• Living souls "of any man", Departed Out of Dead and Buried Body's, having Rejected Gods Truth...experience Discomfort and Separation FROM God.
• The LIFE of Gods Breath, Remains IN a Soul Departed Out of A Dead Body.
• The Living Soul, (identified with A man's NAME), Departed OUT of a Dead Body...
CONTINUES:
Seeing
Hearing
Feeling
Smelling
Speaking
VIA "Gods Breath of Life", REMAINING IN the Living Soul "Departed" OUT of a Dead and buried Body.

Luke 16: 19-31 Reveals Mysteries ABOUT a Living Soul Departed OUT of a Dead and Buried Body.
• ITS Senses with Gods Life Continues,
beyond, BODILY (BLOOD) Death.
• Departed Souls that Reject God, and Gods Revealed TRUTH...experience "tormenting Discomfort", without God.
• Departed Souls that Embrace God, and Gods Revealed Truth...experience "Comfort", with God.

And A Most Revealing; Fact IS:
WHERE a Departed SOUL "WILL GO"...
IN Comfort, WITH God;
OR
IN Discomfort, WITHOUT God;
IS Expressly Decided by the man's Freewill Choice.....
WHILE the Living Soul IS "IN" a man's (Blood Living Body).

So no, I do not agree Luke 16: 19-31, is about a Judgement Against ISRAEL, but rather; according to Scripture;
• a Revealing of Knowledge ABOUT the Soul;
CONSEQUENCES-
• WHAT a faithful Departed soul (of ANY man) Shall experience.
• WHAT a UN-faithful Departed soul (of any man) Shall experience.
• WHEN a Living Soul, (of ANY man) Faithfulness OR unfaithfulness IS Established.

Glory to God,
Taken

And so, without considering any evidence whatsoever you reject what I said. This is why so many continue in ignorance. Rather than hearing all of the evidence people choose what evidence they want to hear and reject whatt they don't want to hear. What did Paul say about itching ears?

Your definition of soul is incorrect which can easily be proven from the Scriptures. Your premise, that some part of man can survive apart from the body is incorrect and can be proven incorrect from the Scriputres.

Something else to keep in mind, when you say, Jesus said, what you're giving is your understanding of what He said. You're relying on someone else's translation of what the text says. So, if they are wrong, then you are.

Butch5 · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
It's a warning to all of us.
Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED.

If you understood the text you'd realize that statement is ridiculous. I'm still waiting for you to produce the dead people who can speak

kcnalp · Oct 18, 2020

Butch5 said:
If you understood the text you'd realize that statement is ridiculous.

Such irony! Do you fear God?

I'm still waiting for you to produce the dead people who can speak

What are you even talking about? I doubt if you know.

Butch5 · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
You're the only one saying that. Read your posts. Stop trying to put your ridiculous comment on me.

So when you die you will "cease to exist"? Oh my.
Revelation 20:12-15 (NKJV)
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Have you ever read the Bible?

That's funny coming from the guy who rejects Scripture

Butch5 · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
Such irony! Do you fear God?

What are you even talking about? I doubt if you know.

As usual you didn't address anything you just made some snide comment.

kcnalp · Oct 18, 2020

Butch5 said:
That's funny coming from the guy who rejects Scripture

That's a lie. Why does the Biblical doctrine of Hell upset you so much?
Revelation 21:8 (NKJV)
8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

kcnalp · Oct 18, 2020

Butch5 said:
As usual you didn't address anything you just made some snide comment.

Do you fear God?

Butch5 · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
That's a lie. Why does the Biblical doctrine of Hell upset you so much?
Revelation 21:8 (NKJV)
8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

It's not a lie. When I showed you that Gehenna doesn't burn forever you simply dismissed the prophecy in Jeremiah that proves it.

Your Greek philosophical belief isn't true. That's the basis for your belief that people will be tormented forever. As long as you continue in it you won't be able to reconcile much of Scripture. And that is why you had to dismiss the prophecy of Jeremiah. It simply doesn't fit with the Greek Philosophical beliefs.

Butch5 · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
Do you fear God?

Do you actually answer questions or do you always deflect? Deflecting is a clear sign that you're wrong.

Taken · Oct 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
The word Soul as used in the Bible isn't used as separate from the body. When scripture speaks of the Soul it always includes the flesh and blood. The Bible shows that both neʹphesh and psy·kheʹ, both words being translated Soul in connection with earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal. So the scriptures don't speak of Soul as being something separate from the human or separates at death.

I gave you a few specific Scriptural references that say the opposite.
I can not read Scripture for you, believe it for you or understand it for you.
It appears you shall continue with what men have taught you instead of Scripture.
That is your choice.

Glory to God,
Taken

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 18, 2020

kcnalp said:
'Gets off"? What does that mean? Do you even know? So you don't fear God? The Bible calls those who don't fear God "fools".
Proverbs 1:7 (NKJV)
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Everybody will learn to fear God, now or in Hell, but they will learn.

Because of the way you believe and others like you, you teach people that the only justice that The True God exercises in regard to the unrighteous is torture. I know for a fact that what God has brought into existence he can destroy out of existence. So why would The True God torture anyone when I know God can destroy out of existence those who are unrighteous. The scriptures show that death is the punishment for sin, not torture. Death means "ceasing to exist" not being torture for eternity like you and others try to teach others that is the only justice God believes in regarding the unrighteous.

Taken · Oct 18, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
What keeps a hell bound sinner alive eternally ?
Did Jesus give them life also ?
I thought life was a gift for the righteous.

God CREATES a Body.
God MAKES a Body Living with a Soul with Gods Life.
So All Living Body's have Life from God.
The Forever Living spirit is a Gift FOR Souls that have Become MADE Restored and Saved.

The Forever Living reborn spirit, Correct, is a Gift to the Righteous...

Glory to God,
Taken

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 18, 2020

Taken said:
I gave you a few specific Scriptural references that say the opposite.
I can not read Scripture for you, believe it for you or understand it for you.
It appears you shall continue with what men have taught you instead of Scripture.
That is your choice.

Glory to God,
Taken

I won't deny scripture nor call God a liar like you do. God was very specific in the his creation of Adam. Adam didn't receive a soul Adam became a Soul. This specific scriptural text you will always deny therefore you will always be calling God a liar

Taken · Oct 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Because of the way you believe and others like you, you teach people that the only justice that The True God exercises in regard to the unrighteous is torture.

That ^^ is FALSE.

Unsaved BODILY Living men, Receive Blessings from God.

Unsaved Departed Living souls, are in Torments....NOT Torture!
They are separated from God in an Uncomfortable place, with no rest or relief.

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