One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

Davy said:

Nor do you have a clue what times we are in today, and nor are you willing to prepare yourself against the things Lord Jesus warned us against!!

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Ziggy said:

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Jer 25:3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the LORD hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.
Jer 25:4 And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
Jer 25:5 They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever:
Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
Jer 25:7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Jer 25:8 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words,
Jer 25:9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Jer 25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
Jer 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

REPENT!! REPENT!!

Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Luk 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
Luk 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

BEWARE!! BEWARE!!

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

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ReChoired said:

Living Animals are living souls:

Num_31:28 And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

Rev_16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; Acts 17:25

In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:10

But if the priest buy any soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat. Leviticus 22:11

See Joshua 10, in every instance where it is written that Joshua destroyed "all the souls that were therein":

"...he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein..." Joshua 10:28

"...he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it..." Joshua 10:30

"...and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein..." Joshua 10:32

"...smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day..." Joshua 10:35

And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. Joshau 10:37

"And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining..." Joshua 10:39

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

...just as Joshua did to Jericho, so he did to those cities, "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21

...just as Joshua did to Haxor, so he did to those cities, "And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire." Joshua 11:11

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Ziggy said:

What does this mean?

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I wish more people were busy "playing" religion... only for real.

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Ziggy said:

REPENT!! REPENT!!
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Davy said:

In many Old Testament Scriptures, the word soul is used to point to an entity, a being, not necessarily always meaning people. It doesn't mean God created animals with a soul like He did man's.

Lev 5:1-2
5:1 And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.
KJV

So animals are accountable like us for sin? No. So the comparison of man's soul and how the word is used in many readings still do not mean the same thing.

"SOUL; SELF; LIFE
nepesh OT:5315, "soul; self; life; person; heart." This is a very common term in both ancient and modern Semitic languages. It occurs over 780 times in the Old Testament and is evenly distributed in all periods of the text with a particularly high frequency in poetic passages.

The basic meaning is apparently related to the rare verbal form, napash. The noun refers to the essence of life, the act of breathing, taking breath. However, from that concrete concept, a number of more abstract meanings were developed. In its primary sense the noun appears in its first occurrence in Gen 1:20: "the moving creature that hath life," and in its second occurrence in Gen 2:7: "living soul."

However, in over 400 later occurrences it is translated "soul." While this serves to make sense in most passages, it is an unfortunate mistranslation of the term. The real difficulty of the term is seen in the inability of almost all English translations to find a consistent equivalent or even a small group of high-frequency equivalents for the term. The KJV alone uses over 28 different English terms for this one Hebrew word. The problem with the English term "soul" is that no actual equivalent of the term or the idea behind it is represented in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew system of thought does not include the combination or opposition of the terms "body" and "soul," which are really Greek and Latin in origin. The Hebrew contrasts two other concepts which are not found in the Greek and Latin tradition: "the inner self" and "the outer appearance" or, as viewed in a different context, "what one is to oneself" as opposed to "what one appears to be to one's observers." The inner person is nepesh, while the outer person, or reputation, is shem, most commonly translated "name." In narrative or historical passages of the Old Testament, nepesh can be translated as "life" or "self," as in Lev 17:11: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for [yourselves]...." Needless to say, the reading "soul" is meaningless in such a text.

But the situation in the numerous parallel poetic passages in which the term appears is much more difficult. The Greek Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate both simply use the Greek and Latin equivalent "soul," especially in the Psalms. The first occurrence is in Ps 3:2: "Many are saying of my soul, There is no deliverance for him in God" (NASB). The next occurrence is in Ps 6:3: "And my soul is greatly dismayed; But Thou, O Lord-- how long?" (NASB). In both passages the parallel contrast is between nepesh and some aspect of the self, expressed as "him" in Ps 3:2 and not expressed but understood in Ps 6:3. There is no distinction as to whether it appears as an "A" or "B" word in the parallelism. However, since Hebrew rejects repeating the same noun in both halves of a poetic line, nepesh is often used as the parallel for the speaker, primary personal subject, and even for God, as in Ps 11:5: "The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence [he himself] hateth." Such passages are frequent, and a proper understanding of the word enlightens many wellknown passages, such as Ps 119:109: "My life is continually in my hand, Yet I do not forget Thy law" (NASB).

The versions vary widely in their readings of nepesh, with the more contemporary versions casting widely for meanings."

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright (c)1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

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Davy said:

Christianity is not a religion. It is the Truth. Big... difference.

Religion is man's outward working to try and appear holy.

And there are different forms of 'love' also. A friend warning someone they care about from impending danger is a show of love also. And that is how I especially see what my Lord Jesus did with giving us forewarning of the Signs of the end of this world so His faithful would not be deceived. I chose to listen to Him, and not to deluded ones like you.

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Ziggy said:

I think when you lose a pet. One so dear and close, your friend.
No one wants to let go. The sorrow and grief looks for hope and some comfort.
And wanting to have that relationship again in another place and time,
I believe is a natural reaction.
I have had many pets I have lost over the years, dogs, cats mostly.
And I consider each my friend. My companion.
I don't know if I will ever get to see them again,
But while I'm here, I can still hope.
Is it a false hope? I don't know.
But what I do know,
is that little bit of hope helps you recover from the sorrow and grief that could lead to worse places.
Like severe depression and even death.

So if a little hope is the medicine which cures the pain..
is that harmful?

Thank You
God Bless You

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Davy said:

So God told us if we have a pet calf, don't kill and eat it because it has a soul? No, afraid not.

I had to explain the difference between 'kill' and 'murder' to one who was illiterate, their trying to use 'Thou shalt not kill' from the KJV translation to mean we are not to kill anything, period. So I asked if when chickens are slaughtered for the table, are they murdered? They laughed and said no. Then I explained that God's commanment that thou shalt not kill in the Hebrew means thou shalt not do murder, which means homicide. The Greek translation of Matthew 19 got it right, and the KJV translators properly brought 'murder' into English. In the Hollywood movie about Sargent York, the American Army WWI medal of honor winner from Tennessee, Hollywood exploited that 'thou shalt not kill' interpretation, and no doubt York's oldtime country preacher did too, wrongly teaching that to kill always meant murder. It does not mean murder or homicide.

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Ziggy said:

I hope you understand what I am going to post.
I understand that it is an example .. the moral of the story is the same.

2Sa 12:1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2Sa 12:2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
2Sa 12:3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
2Sa 12:4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
2Sa 12:5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
2Sa 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

It is about compassion, pity, empathy..
Now most animals in the bible are substituted for mankind. Whether it be a lamb or a lion or an eagle.
Not that animals don't exist.. we know they do.
But each has it's own characteristics or personality or trait.
You understand in the OT all those sheep and goats and bullocks and what have you.. represent our sins.. peoples sins.
They had no mercy.. thousands and thousands... THAT'S A LOT OF SINS!
I personally could never, would never work in a slaughter house, or a science lab where they do experiments, or anything else that has to do with animals.
Just not going to happen. There are people however that for some reason, maybe necessity, that they can do these needful jobs to feed people and make sure medicine is safe.
I can not.
I'm a veggie fan myself. I eat fish because my doctor said it's good for me.
I'm not a meat eater. If you put it on my plate I will eat it as not to offend the person who prepared it.
Now this last thanksgiving I baught some sliced turkey breast from the deli.
I had 1 slice and divided the rest to my cats. They liked it.. they are cats.. lol

You seem to see the cold hard facts, while I tend to see the warmer softer... still facts.
Just different elevations. different perceptions.
I guess from your point of view I do seem kind of flighty and air headed,
while I find you kind of stony and thorny...
in a good way.. kinda

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Davy said:

The subject has been about how God created us (man) and the different parts God's Word declares about us as His creation, of which I provided many Scriptures as proof of my position, and all you know how to do is revert to insults, saying I'm not a compassionate person!!

You don't know how I am, nor do you understand much of God's Word either, I called you out on that and you only showed more of your Biblical illiteracy, and now you are angry like a rich man who has had his bloated honor damaged!

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Davy said:

Animals don't have souls. God created man in His Image, not animals in His Image.

But primitive tribes of ancient pagans sure treated God like He was an animal, portraying Him as all kinds of abominable things.

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Davy said:

In many Old Testament Scriptures, the word soul is used to point to an entity, a being, not necessarily always meaning people.

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Davy said:

It doesn't mean God created animals with a soul like He did man's.

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Davy said:

So animals are accountable like us for sin? No.

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Ziggy said:

I think when you lose a pet. One so dear and close, your friend.
No one wants to let go. The sorrow and grief looks for hope and some comfort.
And wanting to have that relationship again in another place and time,
I believe is a natural reaction.
I have had many pets I have lost over the years, dogs, cats mostly.
And I consider each my friend. My companion.
I don't know if I will ever get to see them again,
But while I'm here, I can still hope.
Is it a false hope? I don't know.
But what I do know,
is that little bit of hope helps you recover from the sorrow and grief that could lead to worse places.
Like severe depression and even death.

So if a little hope is the medicine which cures the pain..
is that harmful?

Thank You
God Bless You

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