A Christian who deny Jesus is God in Flesh

[justbyfaith]

You didn't run away yet you ignored everything I said. Sorry but that by definition is in fact running away.
Keep running

You would do well to google / look up Paschal's Wager as concerning John 8:24.

It seems to me that you have ignored this statement by me.

 

[jaybird]

I think that everyone can see that I did not ignore everything that you said.

However, I did discount the things that I believe are untrue.

You had no rebuttal other than silence

 

[justbyfaith]

You had no rebuttal other than silence

Because it is not my intention to argue with you.

I find that those who deny Christ's Deity rarely come to the knowledge of the truth through any kind of argumentation.

It has to be a work of the Holy Spirit; where He testifies to them of the reality.

 

[jaybird]

Because it is not my intention to argue with you.

I find that those who deny Christ's Deity rarely come to the knowledge of the truth through any kind of argumentation.

It has to be a work of the Holy Spirit; where He testifies to them of the reality.

But if I am wrong, why not prove me wrong? Running away only makes you look unreliable.

 

[ChristisGod]

But if I am wrong, why not prove me wrong? Running away only makes you look unreliable.

Are you saying Christ is not God ?

 

[jaybird]

Because it is not my intention to argue with you.

I find that those who deny Christ's Deity rarely come to the knowledge of the truth through any kind of argumentation.

It has to be a work of the Holy Spirit; where He testifies to them of the reality.

I added a like to your post. You at least admitted you refused to respond, I am proud of you. How hard was that? That's a big step.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I will only say that if someone appears to be saved like your Joi-Li, but then, when presented with the information that Jesus is the Lord (God), rejects that information, they were not saved to begin with.

And this is what I have been saying all along that you refuse to see. Joi-Li got saved and when taught, she came to the realization that Jesus is God! It will happen but not accordin to your timetable nor mine.
God is patient and knows the heart of His children. And if they don't get it the first time around- God knows if they are His they will get it! If they reject the deity of Christ after seeing it over (how many times I am not qualified to say- that is way above our pay grade) then yes they were never saved to begin with.

For is it not true that they must confess that Jesus is the Lord in order to be saved?

If they don't yet understand that this means that He is God, perhaps they will have some leeway from the Father.

Well isn't that so magnanimous of you! I will trust teh God of Scriptures to know how to rear HIs children in the truth- even if it takes longer than your timetable for God to act, than you false mercy . Perhaps god will? That is such hubris!

 

[justbyfaith]

And this is what I have been saying all along that you refuse to see. Joi-Li got saved and when taught, she came to the realization that Jesus is God! It will happen but not accordin to your timetable nor mine.
God is patient and knows the heart of His children. And if they don't get it the first time around- God knows if they are His they will get it! If they reject the deity of Christ after seeing it over (how many times I am not qualified to say- that is way above our pay grade) then yes they were never saved to begin with.



Well isn't that so magnanimous of you! I will trust teh God of Scriptures to know how to rear HIs children in the truth- even if it takes longer than your timetable for God to act, than you false mercy . Perhaps god will? That is such hubris!

All I will say is that if they die in unbelief as concerning the Deity of Christ, it will be in their sins (John 8:24).

 

[justbyfaith]

I added a like to your post. You at least admitted you refused to respond, I am proud of you. How hard was that? That's a big step.

I didn't refuse to respond; the post in question was my response to you.

Also, my primary response to all that you have said is to encourage you to google or look up Paschal's Wager and apply it to my understanding of John 8:24.

 

[jaybird]

I didn't refuse to respond; the post in question was my response to you.

Because it is not my intention to argue with you.

i was talking about this, at least you admit that much. maybe soon you will make attempts to defend your position.

 

[justbyfaith]

i was talking about this, at least you admit that much. maybe soon you will make attempts to defend your position.

There is ample teaching by false teachers that will enable you to continue in unbelief as concerning the Deity of Christ if you pay attention to their teaching instead of what the Holy Ghost might be testifying to you at any given moment. It may even be "irrefutable" from your perspective.

But I would only admonish you to google or look up "Paschal's Wager" and apply it to my understanding of John 8:24 in your own life.

 

[jaybird]

There is ample teaching by false teachers that will enable you to continue in unbelief as concerning the Deity of Christ if you pay attention to their teaching instead of what the Holy Ghost might be testifying to you at any given moment. It may even be "irrefutable" from your perspective.

But I would only admonish you to google or look up "Paschal's Wager" and apply it to my understanding of John 8:24 in your own life.

i am pretty comfortable with my beliefs. they are rooted in scripture and i have no problem defending them. if i were challenged, i couldnt defend my beliefs and then i ran away, then i would be very worried.

 

[101G]

i am pretty comfortable with my beliefs. they are rooted in scripture and i have no problem defending them. if i were challenged, i couldnt defend my beliefs and then i ran away, then i would be very worried.

Hi Jay, from reading your post, you do not believe that Jesus is the "Father", but only the "Son?" is this correct?

if so, please tell me how do you define, A. "Son", and B. "Father".

I like to know people beliefs, and the reason why they believe a certian way before I answer them.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[justbyfaith]

i am pretty comfortable with my beliefs. they are rooted in scripture and i have no problem defending them. if i were challenged, i couldnt defend my beliefs and then i ran away, then i would be very worried.

I believe that my beliefs are also rooted and scripture and that I have defended them properly. I feel that there are arguments against my belief system that, if believed, may seem to be valid and may even deter a man from having saving faith in Jesus Christ as the God who created him.

It doesn't mean that those arguments are truly valid; only that they seem to be valid to the one who would see belief in the Deity of Christ as being somehow abhorrent. Since such a belief is not abhorrent to me, I am quite content to believe the scriptures as I understand them to be saying that Jesus Christ is indeed the Lord (God).

 

[jaybird]

Hi Jay, from reading your post, you do not believe that Jesus is the "Father", but only the "Son?" is this correct?

if so, please tell me how do you define, A. "Son", and B. "Father".

I like to know people beliefs, and the reason why they believe a certian way before I answer them.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

hey 10g just call me g money.
i would say a son comes from his father.

 

[justbyfaith]

hey 10g just call me g money.
i would say a son comes from his father.

@101G, is that answer adequate for you?

@jaybird, Seems to me like you are running away from his question...

Or else you would have given a more concise answer to it.

 

[jaybird]

@101G, is that answer adequate for you?

@jaybird, Seems to me like you are running away from his question...

Or else you would have given a more concise answer to it.

he asked for my understanding of a father and son, my answer was a son comes from the father.

 

[justbyfaith]

he asked for my understanding of a father and son, my answer was a son comes from the father.

And it is true that Jesus, as the Son, comes from the Father. It is the Spirit of the Father who dwells in Jesus Christ. And Jesus is the Son in that He is come in the flesh.

 

[jaybird]

And it is true that Jesus, as the Son, comes from the Father. It is the Spirit of the Father who dwells in Jesus Christ. And Jesus is the Son in that He is come in the flesh.

i agree, the spirit of the Most High was for sure in Jesus, just as the spirit was in Elijah when he called down fire. pretty awesome.

 

[justbyfaith]

i agree, the spirit of the Most High was for sure in Jesus, just as the spirit was in Elijah when he called down fire. pretty awesome.

As a matter of fact, the Holy Spirit became one with the egg in the womb of the virgin Mary (Luke 1:35); which means that Jesus is a combination that equals 100% Man and 100% God in the hypostatic union (which is sound doctrine).