As sinless as the Blood of Jesus

[Behold]

A born again believer is just as sinless as the righteousness of God can make them, thru the Blood Atonement.
There is no sin in Christ, and we are "in Christ".
The purpose of God as Jesus coming here was to fulfill the law, which establishes Grace, and to become our sin, which resolved our sin issue that allowed God to give us His Righteousness as our OWN.

Jesus as God on the Cross didn't just forgive sin, .. HE BECAME our sin... And not just ours, but the sin of the world.
The blood atonement pays for the sin of the world, but its not applied unless the person comes to the Cross and is saved. = born again.
SALVATION, is always waiting to save everyone, but not everyone will come to the Cross and be forgiven and born again.

So, "the gift of Righteousness" that we receive as our "justification by faith", is God's own Righteousness.
The question is.... how RIGHTEOUS is God's righteousness? How HOLY is "the Gift of Righteousness", that we receive.
= Its SINLESS PERFECTION
And not only do we receive it by Faith, but by being born again as a "new creation IN CHRIST" this righteousness BECOMES US.
Its our new IDENTITY.....we are become 'IN CHRIST"....this is who we are if we are born again. We are born again AS the sinlessness of Christ and born again INTO the very Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.
God had to restore us to 1st Adam position, and did so, by way of the 2nd Adam who is Jesus THE Christ.

look at this NT verse....and believe it.

"as Jesus IS........so ARE.....the born again, ... IN THIS WORLD".

So, is there any sin in Jesus?
And YOU if you are born again, are "IN CHRIST" and Jesus is in YOU.
The reason a born again person has eternal life, is because JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE< and He is in us, if we are born again.
Salvation, is JESUS
Grace, is JESUS
The BLood Atonement, is JESUS
You go to heaven because of JESUS.
Believe the verse that says. "as Christ is so are the born again in this WORLD".... and see yourself as God has made you to be..
The born again are "made righteous"....by God, thru the blood of Jesus.
This is why we are not to think of ourselves as "sinners".
We were sinners before we were born again...
The unbelievers are sinners.....so, READER, do not equate yourself to those Christ Rejectors.....but instead see yourself as God sees you always.
You are "the righteousness of God, IN CHRIST"..

 

[Candidus]

Jesus as God on the Cross didn't just forgive sin, .. HE BECAME our sin... And not just ours, but the sin of the world.

No. Jesus became a sin-offering for the whole world. Jesus did not "become sin." You can no more transfer sin to a tree than you can to Christ. You can no more transfer wisdom to a fool than you have impute honesty to a liar. Character and sin is not transferable.

The blood atonement pays for the sin of the world,

You can state it dogmatically as you wish, but no passage in all of Scripture says that the atonement "pays for sin."

So, "the gift of Righteousness" that we receive as our "justification by faith", is God's own Righteousness.
The question is.... how RIGHTEOUS is God's righteousness? How HOLY is "the Gift of Righteousness", that we receive.
= Its SINLESS PERFECTION

Nonsense! No one has the righteousness of Christ as a transfer of character.

 

[Behold]

No. Jesus became a sin-offering for the whole world. Jesus did not "become sin." .

Don't misinterpret me. Im not saying that Jesus sinned.
Ok?
I said He "became"..... and this is not the same as being a sinner.
Make sure you see this....

Jesus became your sin. He didn't just bear it and forgive it.
He had to become sin, to deal with the Law that had dominion over all of us. So, by Christ becoming "sin", He is able to abolish the dominion of the Law so that the law has no more authority to declare us to be "sinners", OR cause us to sin.
See, the Law had dominion over us, and this gave the law the authority to define our carnal works as sin, and us as Sinners.
God had to resolve this, so, He came as a man, fulfilled the law, then died as our sin bearer, becoming it.

2nd Corinthians 5, says... that God MADE JESUS "BE" sin....for us.
That is the transfer of our sin condition away from us, unto Jesus.
He BECAME sin.......>He didnt just die to forgive it. He had to become it, to resolve it, for the World.

"""God made him who had no sin to BE SIN FOR US, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.""

 

[Episkopos]

Don't misinterpret me. Im not saying that Jesus sinned.
Ok?
I said He "became"..... and this is not the same as being a sinner.
Make sure you see this....

Jesus became your sin. He didn't just bear it and forgive it.
He had to become sin, to deal with the Law that had dominion over all of us. So, by Christ becoming "sin", He is able to abolish the dominion of the Law so that the law has no more authority to declare us to be "sinners".
See, the Law had dominion over us, and this gave the law the authority to define our carnal works as sin, and us as Sinners.
God had to resolve this, so, He came as a man, fulfilled the law, then died as our sin bearer, becoming it.

2nd Corinthians 5, says... that God MADE JESUS "BE" sin....for us.
That is the transfer of our sin condition away from us, unto to Jesus.
He BECAME sin.......>He didnt just die to forgive it. He had to become it, to resolve it, for the World.

"""God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.""

You are treating this in a surface way...dogmatically. Jesus didn't actually become sin...He was treated as sinful for us to learn a lesson. His kingdom is upside down to our world. So you have to try to follow this.

Being born again is only a taste of life. To get the full measure of life you need to seek the face of God for the full grace...or grace UPON grace. (John 1:16) (the idea of grace opposite grace means we are to turn around to God to get grace going the other way). We need to change directions...away from this world. So we need to go to God to actually ENTER into Him...then we really don't sin. There is no sin IN Him. So it isn't just that God becomes blind to our actual sins...it's that we walk in HIS power and life where there is no sin.

 

[Behold]

You are treating this in a surface way...dogmatically. Jesus didn't actually become sin...

The verse i posted to you, said that Jesus was made sin......to "be" sin.

You are teaching your own personal idea regarding the meaning of the Blood Atonement.

As i said. unless Jesus became sin, then sin isn't resolved.
This is why God "Made Him to BE sin".
Not just forgive it.
Not just pay for it....and die.

Now, my hope is that you can come to understand, to SEE, that unless Christ became sin and died, then sin would have not been removed by His sacrifice.
Jesus had to go more then just die for it, He had to take it AWAY, and did by becoming it and dying.
Jesus is a "once and for all sacrifice", who literally became the sin of the world, so that by this, sin is removed. Not just forgiven, but REDEEMED.
Taken away.

 

[Fred Eans]

When we become a thriving Christ man, the Holy Spirit indwells, that doesn’t mean we stop sinning, or even that Jesus becomes our sin (what a despicable thing to say.) it means the Holy Works for and with us as we grow. If, God forbid we begin to turn around, which is what a lot of ignorant Christians do, if the flesh begins to take control, the Holy Spirit stays until the stench, as a Child of God, becomes so unbearable, then The SPIRIT, will take a hike, until you, if you do, straighten yourselves out. The after flow of this, is you do not repeat any of your previous actions to become a Christian, you repent the best way you ever have, and you resume your journey with Jesus, on that straight and narrow...

 

[Behold]

When we become a thriving Christ man, the Holy Spirit indwells, that doesn’t mean we stop sinning, ...

So, now you are teaching that a born again Christian does not stop sinning.

That is exactly what the devil would say and teach.

"hath God said..... that "sin shall not have dominion over you".. hath God said...>"how shall we who are dead to sin, keep on sinning". Hath God said...>"if we walk in the Spirit we will not sin"..."will not commit works of the flesh".
Well as a matter of fact, GOD DID SAY ALL THAT in the NT.

Do you realize this??
So, don't be the devil's advocate on a Christian forum, Fred.

 

[Candidus]

The verse i posted to you, said that Jesus was made sin......to "be" sin.

You are teaching your own personal idea regarding the meaning of the Blood Atonement.

As i said. unless Jesus became sin, then sin isn't resolved.
This is why God "Made Him to BE sin".
Not just forgive it.
Not just pay for it....and die.

So, unless God works the way you insist, you will not accept that sin is resolved. This is eisegesis, not exegesis.

Many bibles footnote "sin-offering." But no matter which way it is to be understood, God did not made Jesus sinful or a sinner. Sin cannot be transferred from one person to another; that would be theological fiction. The suffering of Christ on the Cross for sin, is because God made Him to BE sin (in the abstract), to bear up our sins as if they were His own. There was no transfer; the bearing up is as a representative of our sin.

The same way in Exodus 29:14 speaks of the sacrificial offering of a bull as "sin." Our translations say "sin-offering," the Hebrew just says "sin." The bull did not literally become "sin," the the sin-bearer.

 

[Fred Eans]

God says there is not one righteous, no not one.

 

[Candidus]

God says there is not one righteous, no not one.

Let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He (Jesus Christ) is righteous..."

Both verses are true, but what is the context? No one is righteous speaks of self-justification and believing that you do not need a Savior. The second speaks of the Believer walking in the light and power of the Savior. It is not speaking of merit, but of the result of being a child of God.

 

[Candidus]

When we become a thriving Christ man, the Holy Spirit indwells, that doesn’t mean we stop sinning, or even that Jesus becomes our sin (what a despicable thing to say.) it means the Holy Works for and with us as we grow. If, God forbid we begin to turn around, which is what a lot of ignorant Christians do, if the flesh begins to take control, the Holy Spirit stays until the stench, as a Child of God, becomes so unbearable, then The SPIRIT, will take a hike, until you, if you do, straighten yourselves out. The after flow of this, is you do not repeat any of your previous actions to become a Christian, you repent the best way you ever have, and you resume your journey with Jesus, on that straight and narrow...

What you describe is everything the Bible disavows. It renders conversion, regeneration and the New-Birth to be of no effect. The power of God is denied, and if this is the best that God can do here and now... I would have serious doubts that He could do any better after we are dead.

 

[Fred Eans]

Jesus erases the sin from our record in the Book of life. Until we Do a repeat. We are to be forgiven 7 X 70 times in one day if necessary. However, according how tired God maybe feeling, we had better not continuing a sin over and over.

 

[Fred Eans]

Candidus - While we are both correct in the beginning, in the end, if the devil overtakes us, because of ignorance, then you are in danger of the death. Why does God say, My People are destroyed for lack of knowledge??? Our soul lives after our flesh dies. On the “wrong side of the gulf in heaven, we have still time to do a lot of thinking and unheard repentance. I would like to introduce you to the Church of Babylon (confusion) in Rev. 17. That Church, is membershipped by Christians, Pastors, high and low, who did not make the cut when Jesus comes.
The ten virgins, 5 who studied, and 5 who did not. And how about the believer who was given a talent to invest in spreading Truth. Instead he hurried it, and lost it to the servant who was given ten. You must begin to seriously think about your quality of Truth.

 

[Candidus]

Jesus erases the sin from our record in the Book of life. Until we Do a repeat. We are to be forgiven 7 X 70 times in one day if necessary. However, according how tired God maybe feeling, we had better not continuing a sin over and over.

Base your faith on somethings Scripture says, not what you want it to say.

 

[Fred Eans]

Which part do you not understand? Ask me a question and I will give a reproof as per Timothy.

 

[CharismaticLady]

A born again believer is just as sinless as the righteousness of God can make them, thru the Blood Atonement.
There is no sin in Christ, and we are "in Christ".
The purpose of God as Jesus coming here was to fulfill the law, which establishes Grace, and to become our sin, which resolved our sin issue that allowed God to give us His Righteousness as our OWN.

Jesus as God on the Cross didn't just forgive sin, .. HE BECAME our sin... And not just ours, but the sin of the world.
The blood atonement pays for the sin of the world, but its not applied unless the person comes to the Cross and is saved. = born again.
SALVATION, is always waiting to save everyone, but not everyone will come to the Cross and be forgiven and born again.

So, "the gift of Righteousness" that we receive as our "justification by faith", is God's own Righteousness.
The question is.... how RIGHTEOUS is God's righteousness? How HOLY is "the Gift of Righteousness", that we receive.
= Its SINLESS PERFECTION
And not only do we receive it by Faith, but by being born again as a "new creation IN CHRIST" this righteousness BECOMES US.
Its our new IDENTITY.....we are become 'IN CHRIST"....this is who we are if we are born again. We are born again AS the sinlessness of Christ and born again INTO the very Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.
God had to restore us to 1st Adam position, and did so, by way of the 2nd Adam who is Jesus THE Christ.

look at this NT verse....and believe it.

"as Jesus IS........so ARE.....the born again, ... IN THIS WORLD".

So, is there any sin in Jesus?
And YOU if you are born again, are "IN CHRIST" and Jesus is in YOU.
The reason a born again person has eternal life, is because JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE< and He is in us, if we are born again.
Salvation, is JESUS
Grace, is JESUS
The BLood Atonement, is JESUS
You go to heaven because of JESUS.
Believe the verse that says. "as Christ is so are the born again in this WORLD".... and see yourself as God has made you to be..
The born again are "made righteous"....by God, thru the blood of Jesus.
This is why we are not to think of ourselves as "sinners".
We were sinners before we were born again...
The unbelievers are sinners.....so, READER, do not equate yourself to those Christ Rejectors.....but instead see yourself as God sees you always.
You are "the righteousness of God, IN CHRIST"..

I agree with this as far as you have taken this. I just have one question for you (so far), because this looks like imputed righteousness. There are some on the forum that quote 1 John 1:8 as being a Christian, that if we say we are sinless we are a liar. What would you say to them.