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Christian "gay Bashing"

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Unifique77, Oct 29, 2010.

  1. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    If you advertise an apartment in a public newspaper you have to follow the law - if you choose to rent without advertising to the public, you can rent to anyone you want to rent to. We are called to a higher standard as Christians - we are called to love - you cannot love if you discriminate. I grew up in the California Bay Area - mixed races. Do you deny that minority groups are discriminated against because of ethnicity??
     
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    Hello Religusnut,

    I think that we can all agree that slavery and racial segregation are wrong. Also, the U.S. Constitution recognizes that the rights of the individual outweighs the good of society.

    In Christ,
    Selene
     
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    Hi again all,

    Lets ask a simple question, If you owned a rental acomodation, and a homosexual couple appled,for a lease, and it was up to you weither they could or could not stay, what would you do. Now forget the law, you cant hide behind it. What you say now comes from your own heart. Remember,

    Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me

    What say ye.

    In His Love
     
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    Selene New Member

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    I would give them shelter rather than making them homeless. It is not my place to judge them. God will be the one to bring judgement on them. Only God can judge.

    In Christ,
    Selene
     
  5. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I would give them shelter, as well - we are called to care for people - Christ tells us to do so. To take care of people in need is to take care of Christ, Himself.
     
  6. religusnut

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    Actually we don't all agree. For instance those that are activist for what ever group whether it be blacks, homos, or now Mexicans, and of course Muslims, they have certain rights. However, those that do not fit into that demographic suddenly have no rights.

    We live in the rural South, if a person has a rental property if it comes up empty most shudder. They know that if a black person comes to them they are required to rent it. However they know that their chances of getting their money on time is something that has a very low chance of happening. They also know that when they move out it will be torn all to pieces. They don't feel that way because they are racists. They feel that way from experience.

    If a person owns property in a free state that is not ridden with a socialistic agenda he should be able to do with his property as he pleases. You can quote as much scripture as you want at them. The fact is we now live in a socialistic society and therefore certain people have rights and certain ones don't.

    Many scream racism. Truth is some of the most discriminated people in the US today are whites that have to put up with the junk from racist blacks.

    I know this thread was on homosexuality but racism keeps being brought in.

    Fine move them in the house with you. HOWEVER if you are in the business of having rental property and you allow all of these people to rent you are looking at a much less bottom line. It is the same thing as you taking a pay cut on your job. You would not like that. Many times it would be like you started working your job for free or possibly had to take another job to support that job.
     
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  7. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    So you have decided that black people and homosexuals do not pay rent on time and trash your property......? How is this statement supposed to be taken except as racist? or bigoted?
     
  8. religusnut

    religusnut New Member

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    40 years of experience can tell you that about blacks. All are not that way. I know a good many that are not. HOWEVER the majority are in our part of the world anyway. All of the homosexuals we encounter are drama queens and there is constantly something that has to be dealt with. Course if a person experiences a perception of somebody that is totally out of character with being politically correct then they are not allowed to say it by the thought police or they are labeled as bigots or racists. I know blacks that own rental property that dread for it to come empty because of the same reason and blacks can't play the race card on other blacks. Since they can't be called racist I guess that they are just bigoted.

    Apparently you were raised in a bubble somewhere. You have a lot of practicality but you seem to lack on reality. You seem so certain of things you are really clueless about in the things of God and in the things of life. Like all liberals you seek this utopia but you want it legislated and given and wish to punish any who disagree with your ideas.
     
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    Is it not written , that it is not what a man eats that defiles him, but what he speaks out of his mouth, for what he speaks comes from his heart. Should one need to justify his position if he is right, evil always tries to justify itself, for it will always be wrong, Human nature is to love, be kind, have patiemts, be Gods friend, love all, for this is Gods nature it is what He breathed into Adam, His life , His spirit, But we have the nature of the beast, it is not ours but it is what controls us, for it appears as us. To say human nature is to steal, be unkind, to hate, to judge, to kill, is saying this is Gods nature. The beast will always try to justify its position, it must to keep a hold, thsi is why Jesus once said, " you know not what spirit you speak from". Be careful, for as you judge so shall you be judged. It is also written that a murderer is someone who hates his brother, since we are all Gods children, we are therefore all brothers and sisters, would you cast your own brother out of your home, should then God give you santuary in heaven,, we are all sinners and all fal short of the glory of God.

    In His Love
     
  10. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I was raised in San Francisco - I also lived in Eugene OR for 10 years. I've seen liberal and I have seen minorities. You know, you claim that I seem so sure of myself - yet I use words like "appears", "seems like", looks as if" - I do not normally use absolute language in my posts - It seems as if I am the only person here who does not, yet I am labelled as "sure of myself".

    I've also been critical of liberals - just like I am critical of conservatives - It seems as if conservatives on this board are not willing to be critical of their side of the fence at all. The liberal thread I started is all about how liberals are wrong and the real problem in our society - with nothing critical said about conservatives at all.

    The only thing I have ever said on this board that has been interpreted as liberal is that I believe homosexuals deserve the same rights as all American citizens - that is it. And homosexuals would call me conservative for calling homosexuality a sin!

    I am wondering - have you ever seen or talked to a liberal before?
     
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    There are some pople who are children of the devil. Not all are believers. Not all are children of God. Mind you, that doesn't mean we should not love everyone and be kind. I just want to show you though that some are the children of the devil.

    John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.


    1 John 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.


    John 8:38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."


    John 8:41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

    John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


    John 8:55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.


    John 6:70 Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"


    Matthew 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,


    Acts 13:10 "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?



    I can post more scriptures if you'd like, about wheat and tares, and also sheep and goats.
     
  12. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    You know, comparing homosexuality to alcoholism or kleptomania is not a fair comparison. I think it most resembles left-handedness. There is no gene for left-handedness - it is not a behavioral tendency, but it is a tendency that is difficult to overcome. In fact, most left-handed people who were forced by the Catholic Church to switch hands, end up switching back as adults. It is not willfully chosen or likely to change.
     
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    This thing of "genetics" and homosexuals is another interesting thing. Some scientist say that about anything you can name is genetic. Those that study epigenetics say that our genes are plastic meaning that they change as our patterns of thinking change.
     
  14. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    We are really at the dawn of understanding genetics - I am not sure if God really plans to allow us to gain a full understanding or not.

     
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    Hello Religusnut,

    Racism is found in every color. I am not caucasian. I'm actually an Asian-Pacific Islander, and racism is found even among my people. There are some Chamorros who are racist against Chuukese and vice versa.

    As for money, Christians must place their trust in God more than in money. When my father was laid off from work, all my parents had was five dollars to their name. My mother trusted God more than that five dollars. Because of her trust in God, God did not abandoned her even when she gave that last five dollars to a woman who needed it to purchase milk for her baby. Remember what Jesus said in the Bible about the poor woman who gave everything she had (Luke 21:2-4). Why worry whether rent will be paid on time or not? Why worry that the apartment will be trashed or not" I can tell you that when I was in the Philippines, I have seen the poor provide food for their guests even when they had very little. I know because I was that guest. They trusted that God provides.

    In Christ,
    Selene
     
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    religusnut New Member

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    Selene I could tell you a hundred stories of how God has been my supply and made a way financially when there was no way.

    What we are talking about in the above is the law telling people that they have to give up their rights to give rights to protected classes of citizens.


    As for racist people there are no more racist people in America than the Southern Blacks. Not all are but a very large percentage are.
     
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    "We are really at the dawn of understanding genetics - I am not sure if God really plans to allow us to gain a full understanding or not." - aspen

    -- I would agree with this statement. But that means the burden of proof is on those that make the claim that something - a trait or a behavior - is genetic.
    Regardless, it does not alter what God Himself says.



    As far as racism goes - and this is of course my opinion based on observation and experience - is that those that scream 'racism' the loudest are normally the greatest perveyors of it.
     
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    Selene New Member

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    Hello Religusnut,

    Don't you think that in this case, the law is in accordance with God's will? As Christians, are we not supposed to give shelter even to those we don't like? Are we not called to love our enemies or those we don't like? As Christians, are we not supposed to be humble and not see ourselves as being better than the other?

    In Christ,
    Selene
     
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    snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Jude 1:23



    Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience. 2 Corinthians 5:11
     
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    I know this is always a highly debated topic, usually it heats up to angry debate, which is a shame I think, since this is a Christian forum. There are people saying judge, others don't judge, some people saying denounce them, others saying leave them alone. But what does the Bible say?

    [9] I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— [10] not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. [11] But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. [12] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? [13] God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
    (1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV)

    I think this is quite clear! Homosexual people already know that Christians regard their lifestyles as sinful, so how does constantly fighting with them show them God's love, which might encourage them to listen more? To them we become nothing more than annoying hypocrites, which will drive them to despise us and God. We need to be there, lovingly for them, should they wish to know God more, which could lead them out of their sin.

    But gay people in the Church?? This is wrong, it is more than wrong, it is saying we know better than God what is right and wrong. If there is a practicing homosexual within the Church then they need to repent and stop their behavior, or get out. That sounds unkind, but it is what the Bible says. We are to only hold people of the world to worldly standards, but judge people of the Church by Christian standards. It is the same for any immoral behavior yes? If a pastor or member was cheating on their spouse, they should be told to stop and repent, or leave.
    Of course as Christians we need to strive to be loving to everyone, but no where in the bible does Christian = pushover. If we do not stand up for God and Godly standards, especially within the church, it will become more and more corrupt. We see in so many of the 'christian cults' that it only took 1 man thinking he knew better than God, that his views were more accurate than Gods, to lead so many people astray.

    God's ways are so much better than our own, and Paul clearly says 'judge immorality within the church but not outside the church'. There is so much sin within the world that is labeled OK by the world, and Christians need to be beacons to them; of truth and love and repentance. We cannot do that if we declare war on them...it starts in our homes and in our churches and with Gods grace and the Holy Spirit then we can step out in friendship to those who are so lost.
     
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