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soul man

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The way scripture portrays nature is; nature is what you live by, you get life living through a nature. Adam was a living soul that lived by his communication with God until he received a nature. After he received a nature he began to live by that nature as well as his offspring and it wasn't long until Cain killed Able.

Hence the law eventually came into place because man with a sin nature cannot live by the sin nature (Noah's day and the tower of Babel) it leads to a reprobate mind - which is a mind totally void of God Knowledge or acting on God Knowledge, and evil is created by living in sin. Acting on sin (nature) is what brings evil. The laws of the land are there to keep man from going completely reprobate and living in anarchy. Look at countries where the people have taken over such as say Somalia or places you have no law (if anyone reads this from a country like Somalia my apologies I'm just making a point). It may be different now but when we went in with the military they lived in anarchy.

Note: So in this world you have to have laws to keep man and train man to live in somewhat peace. Remember they will cry peace peace and safety in the end.. The Ten Commandments are for the same reason it keeps man from going reprobate and Israel could have a relationship with God. You ever wonder why it is so hard for a Jewish person to turn loose of the law given by God - because it was the means God himself gave to them to have a relationship with God. Still to this day they hold to old ways because it was their only way of having a relationship with God and being chosen there is no escape for them.

Not today though, not in this dispensation - they need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ like anyone else to have a new relationship with God by him birthing them just as anyone else. There will be another time that God will pick back up with all the promises made to Israel but not in this dispensation, they as a person will need to believe unto salvation. That is why I say there is no jewish Christians (just like there is no Irish Christians no Italian Christians no American Indian Christians and so on). There is Christian's that may have been Jewish or some other nationality but their nolonger that nationality by identity - there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

So I'm all for a government or people that helps Israel but we need to see them in their proper perspective. They are nolonger God's chosen and elect in this dispensation (they are still chosen and elected to represent God on earth but not in this dispensation, we are as His birthed offspring). Does God still protect them and keep them as a nation - I believe he does but it is neither here nor there in the proper perspective.

Example of mind teaching by the law; If you see a cop sitting on the side of the road with radar you immediately hit the brakes whether you are speeding or not - natural reaction from mind training it knows will get a ticket if you break the law, that is known as punishment for breaking the law. Whether you agree with the law or not you are subject to it. Look at politics; Government is there by God's design to protect you and even if we do not agree with government it is there by God design to keep the world out of kaos and anarchy.

You are subject to a government by that government law - as well as the Lord letting us know we are subject for a reason (kind of shoots down the big talk of a revolution by people not wanting to be subject to a government even a crooked government). You have to watch how you handle all of that. Simply because some government's may need to fall but you cannot jump on a band wagon and start singing this and that it is not God's design of government.

We see it time and time again when you remove a dictator usually you get something worse (granted some need to go but what we deem evil may be holding them together).
 
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The way scripture portrays nature is; nature is what you live by, you get life living through a nature. Adam was a living soul that lived by his communication with God until he received a nature. After he received a nature he began to live by that nature as well as his offspring and it wasn't long until Cain killed Able.

Hence the law eventually came into place because man with a sin nature cannot live by the sin nature (Noah's day and the tower of Babel) it leads to a reprobate mind - which is a mind totally void of God Knowledge or acting on God Knowledge as and evil is created by living in sin. Acting on sin (nature) is what brings evil. The laws of the land are there to keep man from going completely reprobate and living in anarchy. Look at countries where the people have taken over such as say Somalia or places you have no law (if anyone reads this from a country like Somalia my apologies I'm just making a point). It may be different now but when we went in with the military they lived in anarchy.

Note: So in this world you have to have laws to keep man and train man to live in somewhat peace. Remember they will cry peace peace and safety in the end.. The Ten Commandments are for the same reason it keeps man from going reprobate and Israel could have a relationship with God. You ever wonder why it is so hard for a Jewish person to turn loose of the law given by God - because it was the means God himself gave to them to have a relationship with God. Still to this day they hold to old ways because it was their only way of having a relationship with God and being chosen there is no escape for them.

Not today though, not in this dispensation - they need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ like anyone else to have a new relationship with God by him birthing them just as anyone else. There will be another time that God will pick back up with all the promises made to Israel but not in this dispensation, they as a person will need to believe unto salvation. That is why I say there is no jewish Christians (just like there is no Irish Christians no Italian Christians no American Indian Christians and so on). There is Christian's that may have been Jewish or some other nationality but their nolonger that nationality by identity - there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

So I'm all for a government or people that helps Israel but we need to see them in their proper perspective. They are nolonger God's chosen and elect in this dispensation (they are still chosen and elected to represent God on earth but not in this dispensation, we are as His birthed offspring). Does God still protect them and keep them as a nation - I believe he does but it is neither here nor there in the proper perspective.

Example of mind teaching by the law; If you see a cop sitting on the side of the road with radar you immediately hit the brakes whether you are speeding or not - natural reaction from mind training it knows will get a ticket if you break the law, that is known as punishment for breaking the law. Whether you agree with the law or not you are subject to it. Look at politics; Government is there by God's design to protect you and even if we do not agree with government it is there by God design to keep the world out of kaos and anarchy.

You are subject to a government by that government law - as well as the Lord letting us know we are subject for a reason (kind of shoots down the big talk of a revolution by people not wanting to be subject to a government even a crooked government). You have to watch how you handle all of that. Simply because some government's may need to fall but you cannot jump on a band wagon and start singing this and that it is not God's design of government.

We see it time and time again when you remove a dictator usually you get something worse (granted some need to go but what we deem evil may be holding them together).


You know Michael, that was the very first prophecy in the Bible, and the entire Bible is actually based on that. We have seen many accomplishments in the fulfilling of that passage, and we believe that the next big step in it's fulfillment is very near upon us.
 
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