Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

[ewq1938]

Hebrews 4:9 Peshitta:

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to KEEP THE SABBATH".

That is not what the verse says. Never trust something posted. Always double check these types of things:

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

"duty" is not in the manuscripts for that verse at all. It's being manipulated to alter the real wording.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is not what the verse says. Never trust something posted. Always double check these types of things:

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

"duty" is not in the manuscripts for that verse at all. It's being manipulated to alter the real wording.

You're quoting the KJV - I quoted the Peshitta which is the closest to the KJV and absolutely contains the concept of "duty" in the AE MSS.

After over 1,000 years of papal dogmas of deception, no one can blame the KJV translators for rendering it as they did.

There's no excuse for anyone now.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments". Jesus' 4th commandments says we're to work 6 days and rest on the Sabbath. See, no twisting needed at all.

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to KEEP THE SABBATH".

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

"He that sinneth transgresseth also the law, because sin is the transgression of the law".

So it's official... SDA is definitely a cult just like mormans and JWs.

Those that don't agree with the cult will burn in hell... according to the false doctrines of the cult.

I imagine the people who mocked Noah must have sounded a bit like you...until those dark thunderheads formed ranks and began marching across the sky in awful solemnity.

The only problem was that the door of the Ark had been shut 7 days and they didn't know they were already lost before the first drops began to fall.

Blah, blah, blah... whatever.

You STILL have no scripture from the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

I got new for you: Not a single person will be saved who fights against any of God's law - because obedience proves Christ is enthroned on the heart, while willful ignorance and stubborn defiance to God's law proves Christ is absent from the heart, no matter how high he may raise the praise in church.

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

Jesus took away the old testament law and establish the Law of Christ with Himself as the High Priest... it's too bad you apparently are not with Jesus and continue to cling to the law of moses. That ends badly.

Those that think performing the good work of resting and worshiping on Saturday only earns their salvation... are going to be shocked when they croak someday to learn Saturday cannot earn their way ion to Heaven.

That's too bad for you homie!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You're quoting the KJV - I quoted the Peshitta which is the closest to the KJV and absolutely contains the concept of "duty" in the AE MSS.

After over 1,000 years of papal dogmas of deception, no one can blame the KJV translators for rendering it as they did.

There's no excuse for anyone now.

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant
believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

 

[ewq1938]

You're quoting the KJV - I quoted the Peshitta which is the closest to the KJV and absolutely contains the concept of "duty" in the AE MSS.

I know of three translations of the Peshitta into English and only the one from Dr. Lamsa uses "duty" and his theology is very questionable. I reject his translation and wording.

George M. Lamsa: Christian Scholar or Cultic Torchbearer? - Christian Research Institute

This article first appeared in Christian Research Journal, volume 12, number 2 (Fall 1989). The full text of this article in PDF format can be obtained by clicking here. For further information about the Christian Research Journal go to: http://www.equip.org/christian-research-journal/ George...

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[Brakelite]

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday

Still nothing in the New Testament that says New Covenant
believers are instructed to only rest and worship on Saturday View attachment 41804

You have made up your own version of Adventist teaching... As I have quoted above, and as you have repeated numerous times before... And despite being shown precisely what Adventists actually do teach, still you are laboriously demanding we find evidence in scripture of your made up version. That's called a straw man. Of course there's no evidence in scripture for your made up doctrine. That's why we Adventists don't teach it. It isn't in scripture.
However, with that said, let me add, that6 000 years ago, almost to the day, Jesus created a day. He called it the seventh day, He blessed it, sanctified it, making that particular day holy. Nowhere and at no time in subsequent history, up to this day, is there any record or hint that Jesus changed His mind and reversed His earlier classification. Therefore, the seventh day is still holy. And it was just as holy after the crucifixion as it was the day before, as evidenced by it's observation by the women who arrived at the tomb to attend to the body of their Lord on the 1st day of the week.
Now, 1500 years previous to this, as Israel as a nation were being led from Egypt after 400 years of slavery and indoctrination into occult and pagan idolatry, God needed to remind them of one practise that was very important to Him, one that would enhance His newly formed relationship with the children of Abraham, with the view of revealing to the world through them, His power and care and love for those who were willing to obey Him. That very important practise was to remind them to honour and observe the 7th day Sabbath. This practise would set them apart from the rest of the world, and through it, prove God's care and provision. In fact the Sabbath was so important to God, He included it in the Decalogue 3 months later at Sinai.

I believe God is still the same. Yesterday, today, and forever. He still desires that His people reveal to the world God's power, care and love. He also wants His people to be separate from the world. A unique people. Set apart. A people who would demonstrate that God has changed them, that they are truly born again, a people who through their love for God, for one another and their neighbours, are willing to obey all of God's Commandments. And the only way they can do this, the only way anyone can do this, is through resting in Him 24/7.
I don't observe the Sabbath to be saved. I was already fully justified by the blood of the Lamb and had been for 15 years before God showed me a more complete way of honouring Him. I don't observe the Sabbath to complete my salvation. My relationship with God was already established. But the Sabbath totally brought us closer. Nor do I, nor does my church, teach that everyone else who attends church on another day, is destined for hell.
This thread wasn't about whether Sabbath keeping is right or wrong, or whether anyone not observing it are necessarily sinners. Nearly everyone has completely missed the point. America today is in a battle, and has a moral dilemma on their hands. No Christian in their right mind would deny the depths of wickedness that is today pervading western society, and much of it found its woeful beginnings in places like Hollywood, and then exported to the world. America is in trouble because they are looking to correct this state of affairs with the right motives, but the wrong methods. The Bible says,
KJV 2 Chronicles 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

KJV Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

While desiring good things for the nation, the church in America has taken up the battle against people. The real enemy isn't those people who identify as another political party to yours. It isn't those who adorn themselves with rainbow colours and want to be "inclusive and tolerant". The enemy isn't sitting next to you in church and moaning about the hard nosed pastor preaching about sin and honouring God. Nor is the enemy Christians who choose to worship in such a manner you find egregious or a contradiction to your personal beliefs. No. The enemy is spiritual. The enemy is one that can be overcome only by prayer. Not by politics. Not by debate and clever polemics. "Not by power, nor by might, but by My Spirit saith the Lord". America is in trouble because she is looking in the wrong direction to solve issues that can be solved only by personal, heartfelt, repentance and consecration to God's will and purpose.

KJV Luke 22:25-26
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them (politics); and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. (Or social welfare and government or socialism, consumerism, or capitalism, or communism, or fascism etc etc)
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

America is in trouble because very soon, a union of church and state will be legislating Christian worship practises according to man made and man inspired doctrines. In particular Sunday sacredness. This isn't a new thing. Compelling by force of law and punitive judgements has been behind the establishment of Sunday in the Christian church since the Laodicea council in the 4th century. Quote...
“Christians shall not Judaize (observe the Sabbath)and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing (observing the 7th day Sabbath), they shall be shut out from Christ” .

Sunday blue laws were not to far in the past, enforced in most states in the US. Today, there are numerous conservative Christian groups seeking to re-establish them, and make them enforceable, including of course the Catholic church which was responsible for baptizing the "day of the sun" very early in Christian history, with recent popes writing encyclicals advancing the interest in Sunday legislation, using climate change, family interests, and the like as catalysts for a political global enforcement of Sunday. This movement toward Sunday will find its fulfilment first in the US. It may begin as a benign observance. Take Sundays off. Relax. Take the family out. Stop work. It's good for the family. Good for the climate. PROJECT 2025 mentioned this. The 180 day mandate for the new government in 2025. Laudato Si, Laudato Diem, and other encyclicals are promoting it. It's coming.

When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman (Catholic) power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism (Secret societies, Freemasons, occult practises and sorcery, and the current Hollywood free for all in entertainment so welcomed now even in church) when, under the influence of this threefold union, (Revelation 16:13) our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near 5T 451.1

Enforcing by law a religious practice that will eventually displace biblical truth, and then enact punitive punishments (no buy or sell) against those practising Bible teachings according to their own conscience and their God given right to religious freedom, will bring down the nation, and usher in the final movements before the second coming. Personally, I say bring it on. But I'm the meantime everyone, in particular the church, needs to be warned of the direction their leaders are taking them.

KJV Daniel 12:1
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

[Brakelite]

 

[quietthinker]

Project your false doctrine upon me all you want homie... it rolls off me like water of a ducks back!

I'm sorry for your fearfulness.

 

[David in NJ]

You have made up your own version of Adventist teaching... As I have quoted above, and as you have repeated numerous times before... And despite being shown precisely what Adventists actually do teach, still you are laboriously demanding we find evidence in scripture of your made up version. That's called a straw man. Of course there's no evidence in scripture for your made up doctrine. That's why we Adventists don't teach it. It isn't in scripture.
However, with that said, let me add, that6 000 years ago, almost to the day, Jesus created a day. He called it the seventh day, He blessed it, sanctified it, making that particular day holy. Nowhere and at no time in subsequent history, up to this day, is there any record or hint that Jesus changed His mind and reversed His earlier classification. Therefore, the seventh day is still holy. And it was just as holy after the crucifixion as it was the day before, as evidenced by it's observation by the women who arrived at the tomb to attend to the body of their Lord on the 1st day of the week.
Now, 1500 years previous to this, as Israel as a nation were being led from Egypt after 400 years of slavery and indoctrination into occult and pagan idolatry, God needed to remind them of one practise that was very important to Him, one that would enhance His newly formed relationship with the children of Abraham, with the view of revealing to the world through them, His power and care and love for those who were willing to obey Him. That very important practise was to remind them to honour and observe the 7th day Sabbath. This practise would set them apart from the rest of the world, and through it, prove God's care and provision. In fact the Sabbath was so important to God, He included it in the Decalogue 3 months later at Sinai.

I believe God is still the same. Yesterday, today, and forever. He still desires that His people reveal to the world God's power, care and love. He also wants His people to be separate from the world. A unique people. Set apart. A people who would demonstrate that God has changed them, that they are truly born again, a people who through their love for God, for one another and their neighbours, are willing to obey all of God's Commandments. And the only way they can do this, the only way anyone can do this, is through resting in Him 24/7.
I don't observe the Sabbath to be saved. I was already fully justified by the blood of the Lamb and had been for 15 years before God showed me a more complete way of honouring Him. I don't observe the Sabbath to complete my salvation. My relationship with God was already established. But the Sabbath totally brought us closer. Nor do I, nor does my church, teach that everyone else who attends church on another day, is destined for hell.
This thread wasn't about whether Sabbath keeping is right or wrong, or whether anyone not observing it are necessarily sinners. Nearly everyone has completely missed the point. America today is in a battle, and has a moral dilemma on their hands. No Christian in their right mind would deny the depths of wickedness that is today pervading western society, and much of it found its woeful beginnings in places like Hollywood, and then exported to the world. America is in trouble because they are looking to correct this state of affairs with the right motives, but the wrong methods. The Bible says,
KJV 2 Chronicles 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

KJV Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

While desiring good things for the nation, the church in America has taken up the battle against people. The real enemy isn't those people who identify as another political party to yours. It isn't those who adorn themselves with rainbow colours and want to be "inclusive and tolerant". The enemy isn't sitting next to you in church and moaning about the hard nosed pastor preaching about sin and honouring God. Nor is the enemy Christians who choose to worship in such a manner you find egregious or a contradiction to your personal beliefs. No. The enemy is spiritual. The enemy is one that can be overcome only by prayer. Not by politics. Not by debate and clever polemics. "Not by power, nor by might, but by My Spirit saith the Lord". America is in trouble because she is looking in the wrong direction to solve issues that can be solved only by personal, heartfelt, repentance and consecration to God's will and purpose.

America is in trouble because very soon, a union of church and state will be legislating Christian worship practises according to man made and man inspired doctrines. In particular Sunday sacredness. This isn't a new thing. Compelling by force of law and punitive judgements has been behind the establishment of Sunday in the Christian church since the Laodicea council in the 4th century. Quote...
“Christians shall not Judaize (observe the Sabbath)and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing (observing the 7th day Sabbath), they shall be shut out from Christ” .

Sunday blue laws were not to far in the past, enforced in most states in the US. Today, there are numerous conservative Christian groups seeking to re-establish them, and make them enforceable, including of course the Catholic church which was responsible for baptizing the "day of the sun" very early in Christian history, with recent popes writing encyclicals advancing the interest in Sunday legislation, using climate change, family interests, and the like as catalysts for a political global enforcement of Sunday. This movement toward Sunday will find its fulfilment first in the US. It may begin as a benign observance. Take Sundays off. Relax. Take the family out. Stop work. It's good for the family. Good for the climate. PROJECT 2025 mentioned this. The 180 day mandate for the new government in 2025. Laudato Si, Laudato Diem, and other encyclicals are promoting it. It's coming.

@Brakelite

AGREE - i am all in on the exposure of corruption/evil of the RCC and how that she spreads her corruption around the world.
True Saints should also know this.


@Brakelite says: "He also wants His people to be separate from the world. A unique people. Set apart. A people who would demonstrate that God has changed them, that they are truly born again, a people who through their love for God, for one another and their neighbours, are willing to obey all of God's Commandments."

God already did this with Moses and the law = it did not work!

God came up with a Better Plan = Jeremiah 31:31

“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The NEW Covenant is New Wine and cannot be added or mixed with the old covenant - Matthew 9:17

No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse. Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

@Brakelite @BarneyFife @Phoneman777

Hebrews 4:9 - Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
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Hebrews never speaks about the 4th commandment being this "Rest" that remains, which is CHRIST.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. = REST that Remains for those who have not entered
Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

The LORD stated this in His Gospel - find where HE said this and believe His every word.

@Brakelite says: "I don't observe the Sabbath to be saved."
This is GREAT and i hope it is true.

The real Way to test this is to see how and what you and your congregation does on a saturday.
If you believe you cannot do any work on saturday then you have fallen backwards into 'law' keeping.
If you do observe saturday under the old covenant then you betray yourself and the LORD by elevating a day of the week as higher then the LORD Jesus Christ who, while dying on the Cross for our sins said: "IT IS FINISHED"

 

[Ziggy]

Resting, resting, resting...

On the 6th day, the last thing God created was the 7th day in which he rested in.
It is finished.

On the 6th day Jesus, hanging on the cross said, It is finished. And he rested in the tomb/earth/hades/grave on the 7th day.

If we use the analogy of Lazarus, whom Jesus said was resting, but made it clear to the disciples that he was dead and would be raised to life again,
My question would be, what kind of rest was God having when he created the 7th day to rest in?

God told Adam, the day you eat the fruit of the forbidden tree, you will die.

Is death a location? Seems a lot of people will get sent there, or end up there, or even avoid going there.
Wherever there is, it can be good or bad. right?

Now if death is swallowed up in victory, what swallows it? Life?

When we get baptised we are dead to the world and are raised up out the water in a new life walking in the spirit and in Christ.
Does baptism represent the 7day?

It would be 3 days, before you enter the water, when you go under the water and when you come up out of the water.
Baptism is simply an example of the death, burial, and ressurection, the process we go through to be born again.

Ye must be born again. Jesus, the first of the firstfruits.
1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

So what does it mean to enter into God's rest?

Isa 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Act 7:49
Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Where or what is the place of His rest?

Mat 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

In the OT Moses says:

Exo 18:15
And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exo 18:16
When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exo 32:26
Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

Jhn 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

So, here we have two destinations to come to, either Moses or Jesus.
Moses represents work, or 6 days, and Jesus represents the 7th day or rest.

Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Was the Sabbath included in the law that was given by the schoolmaster?
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The Spirit of life was witnessed the day Jesus rose from the dead. Jesus was free from the law of sin and death.
So death/rest represents the the Sabbath that Jesus rested in. It is the death we encounter when we are baptized into his death.

Rom 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This is where and when what and how, we entered into the Lord's Sabbath.
You can not enter into this day except through faith. And you can not come to Jesus unless one is led by God to him.

You can not free yourself from the law of sin and death until God removes the veil and shows you the door to life in Christ.

Moses' law which is not of faith is the schoolmaster until Christ is revealed to whom God will reveal him.

The law is represented by the Cherubims God set at the gate of Eden with a flaming sword, a fiery law, a double edged sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord.
The doubledge is your choice to choose which side you will come to.
On one side you can come to Moses and law of sin and death which God gave to him to chasten those who would not listen to him.
The other side you can come to is the law of life which God gave to Christ to those that have faith in him.

Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jhn 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Those who were brought under the law of Moses are destined to death, If you are still walk according to the law of Moses (though he were dead) , If you have faith in Christ, (Yet shall he live) .

And even those who weren't brought under the law have also sinned according to the law, even that which was in their own conscience and not written in stone or with pen, will have to taste death, for it is appointed unto man once to die.
But those who are baptized into Christ, for Jesus himself tasted death for every man, are translated from death unto life in Christ and are free from the law of sin and death.

On the evening of the 6th day, The Lord left Adam and Eve and entered in to the place he would rest.
In the wilderness on the 6th day, The Lord provided the people with 2 days of Manna, because the Lord would be resting the 7th day.

On the 6th day God introduced to Adam and Eve 2 trees with fruit. One of knowledge the other with life.
On the 6th day God introduced to the children in the wilderness faith or faithlessness.
They could either trust God and eat what was provided, or they could go out and look to find more manna. They found none.

On the 6th day we have the Law of Moses or the Faith of Christ.
The 7th day determines which you will choose.
The first day is for those who believe in Christ through faith, also those who choose to remain under the law.
One raises to life and the other to judgement and condemnation.

Jhn 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

What is the righteousness of the Law? Faith.

The Sabbath is of faith, not of works. If you keep it as a specific day of the week keep it with faith.
If you choose not to keep the day, then don't keep it with faith.
Either way it is faith which opens the door to God's rest.

Hugs

 

[David in NJ]

Resting, resting, resting...

On the 6th day, the last thing God created was the 7th day in which he rested in.
It is finished.

On the 6th day Jesus, hanging on the cross said, It is finished. And he rested in the tomb/earth/hades/grave on the 7th day.

If we use the analogy of Lazarus, whom Jesus said was resting, but made it clear to the disciples that he was dead and would be raised to life again,
My question would be, what kind of rest was God having when he created the 7th day to rest in?

God told Adam, the day you eat the fruit of the forbidden tree, you will die.

Is death a location? Seems a lot of people will get sent there, or end up there, or even avoid going there.
Wherever there is, it can be good or bad. right?

Now if death is swallowed up in victory, what swallows it? Life?

When we get baptised we are dead to the world and are raised up out the water in a new life walking in the spirit and in Christ.
Does baptism represent the 7day?

It would be 3 days, before you enter the water, when you go under the water and when you come up out of the water.
Baptism is simply an example of the death, burial, and ressurection, the process we go through to be born again.

Ye must be born again. Jesus, the first of the firstfruits.
1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

So what does it mean to enter into God's rest?

Isa 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Act 7:49
Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Where or what is the place of His rest?

Mat 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

In the OT Moses says:

Exo 18:15
And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exo 18:16
When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exo 32:26
Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

Jhn 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

So, here we have two destinations to come to, either Moses or Jesus.
Moses represents work, or 6 days, and Jesus represents the 7th day or rest.

Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Was the Sabbath included in the law that was given by the schoolmaster?
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The Spirit of life was witnessed the day Jesus rose from the dead. Jesus was free from the law of sin and death.
So death/rest represents the the Sabbath that Jesus rested in. It is the death we encounter when we are baptized into his death.

Rom 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This is where and when what and how, we entered into the Lord's Sabbath.
You can not enter into this day except through faith. And you can not come to Jesus unless one is led by God to him.

You can not free yourself from the law of sin and death until God removes the veil and shows you the door to life in Christ.

Moses' law which is not of faith is the schoolmaster until Christ is revealed to whom God will reveal him.

The law is represented by the Cherubims God set at the gate of Eden with a flaming sword, a fiery law, a double edged sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord.
The doubledge is your choice to choose which side you will come to.
On one side you can come to Moses and law of sin and death which God gave to him to chasten those who would not listen to him.
The other side you can come to is the law of life which God gave to Christ to those that have faith in him.

Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jhn 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Those who were brought under the law of Moses are destined to death, If you are still walk according to the law of Moses (though he were dead) , If you have faith in Christ, (Yet shall he live) .

And even those who weren't brought under the law have also sinned according to the law, even that which was in their own conscience and not written in stone or with pen, will have to taste death, for it is appointed unto man once to die.
But those who are baptized into Christ, for Jesus himself tasted death for every man, are translated from death unto life in Christ and are free from the law of sin and death.

On the evening of the 6th day, The Lord left Adam and Eve and entered in to the place he would rest.
In the wilderness on the 6th day, The Lord provided the people with 2 days of Manna, because the Lord would be resting the 7th day.

On the 6th day God introduced to Adam and Eve 2 trees with fruit. One of knowledge the other with life.
On the 6th day God introduced to the children in the wilderness faith or faithlessness.
They could either trust God and eat what was provided, or they could go out and look to find more manna. They found none.

On the 6th day we have the Law of Moses or the Faith of Christ.
The 7th day determines which you will choose.
The first day is for those who believe in Christ through faith, also those who choose to remain under the law.
One raises to life and the other to judgement and condemnation.

Jhn 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

What is the righteousness of the Law? Faith.

The Sabbath is of faith, not of works. If you keep it as a specific day of the week keep it with faith.
If you choose not to keep the day, then don't keep it with faith.
Either way it is faith which opens the door to God's rest.

Hugs

@Ziggy says: The Sabbath is of faith, not of works. If you keep it as a specific day of the week keep it with faith.
If you choose not to keep the day, then don't keep it with faith.
Either way it is faith which opens the door to God's rest.

Amen

This is True unless you attempt to observe the day as under the law = Exodus 31:12-17

TODAY, the only 7th Day of REST is in the Lord Jesus Christ

Question: Why did God establish the 7th Day as 'rest' in Genesis which is before the law AND why did God then add a eternal death penalty to anyone who does any work or have a fire on that day - Exodus 31:12-17

 

[Cassandra]

America is in trouble because very soon, a union of church and state will be legislating Christian worship practises according to man made and man inspired doctrines. In particular Sunday sacredness.

Union of church and state is bad enough. I read all the time on these forums of people wanting to put their beliefs on everyone elseas laws for the good of our country to get back to God.

As for Sunday, I thought this was interesting:

A new documentary makes a case for reviving the Sabbath

Sabbath is a spiritual discipline. Should it also be a social policy?

uscatholic.org

And if majority rules, guess which day? And if we are saying that the Jews would not reject Sabbath, isn't there talk of an Antichrist,who will change times (note the word--TIMES) and laws Dan 7:25 ? If the Jewish nations believe that the Antichrist is Messiah ( and the Antichrist unites church and state as well) we is in a heap of trouble.

 

[David in NJ]

Union of church and state is bad enough. I read all the time on these forums of people wanting to put their beliefs on everyone elseas laws for the good of our country to get back to God.

As for Sunday, I thought this was interesting:

A new documentary makes a case for reviving the Sabbath

Sabbath is a spiritual discipline. Should it also be a social policy?

uscatholic.org

And if majority rules, guess which day? And if we are saying that the Jews would not reject Sabbath, isn't there talk of an Antichrist,who will change times (note the word--TIMES) and laws Dan 7:25 ? If the Jewish nations believe that the Antichrist is Messiah ( and the Antichrist unites church and state as well) we is in a heap of trouble.

God knowing all things before they come to pass, came UP with a Unbreakable PLAN = Revelation 13:8

Back to the Future = "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

His PLAN was so GOOD that HE wrote a BOOK about it = Revelation 13:8

the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It does not matter to God what day of the week it is you gather for worship because His REST is in JESUS Chest.

There are Two laws that you must avoid if you want to be SAVED.

The law of Moses/works
The law of the Antichrist = "no one can buy or sell except they receive the Mark of the Beast"

The 3rd and Highest Law is the Law of Christ where HE is the REST of God 24/7 and no man and no law can take that away from you
UNLESS
you submit to the either one of the first two laws..............

This is where Faith comes into account...................faith in what and whom determines your Final Destination!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You have made up your own version of Adventist teaching...

I'm a Christian... not an adventist

I go by what God's Word teaches, not what Ellen G White thinks.

you are laboriously demanding we find evidence in scripture of your made up version. That's called a straw man.

No, you people don't have anything in the New Testament that says Christians are only allowed to rest and worship on Saturday and if they don't rest / worship on Saturday they aren't saved which is what a lot of your peoples teach.

The preconceived ideas and doctrine of the Saturday peoples... is not actually taught in the New Testament so it's you folks that are grasping at straws trying to twist scripture about to make it appear that Christians are only allowed to rest and worship on Saturday

You can confuse some of the people some of the time, but you cannot confuse all of the people all of the time... so best thing you can do is spend your time on the gullible that don't know God's Word so you can convince them and feel good bout yo self!

I'm sorry for your fearfulness.

I have no fear, so you're just... sorry

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy says: The Sabbath is of faith, not of works. If you keep it as a specific day of the week keep it with faith.
If you choose not to keep the day, then don't keep it with faith.
Either way it is faith which opens the door to God's rest.

This is True unless you attempt to observe the day as under the law = Exodus 31:12-17

TODAY, the only 7th Day of REST is in the Lord Jesus Christ

Question: Why did God establish the 7th Day as 'rest' in Genesis which is before the law AND why did God then add a eternal death penalty to anyone who does any work or have a fire on that day - Exodus 31:12-17

Because God knew that Adam and Eve would sin and they would need a place to go and consider what they done.

Eternal death penalty is because they chose not to listen to the Lord.

But God also made repentance, because he is a merciful God.
Amen?

But let's say you repent and then as a dog return to the vomit, how many times will God have mercy on your soul?
7 times? or infinate?

So God told Adam, don't do it. The serpent said, C'mon man it's ok.
So Adam chose the wrong fruit and didn't listen to God.

Did God know? Paul says he did.

Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

What did the fruit of knowledge or the law of Moses provide? Self-righteousness.
But when they ate of it which they were told not to, they were separated from God.
This separation God prepared on the 6th day to rest in it on the 7th day.

A time of reckoning.

Was the Sabbath day created for those who would seperate themselves from God or for God?
Why didn't Adam and Eve join God in His Sabbath instead of wandering over to the tree of knowledge?
Because death hadn't entered into the world until they sinned.
It was the preparation day.

Mar 15:42
And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Mar 15:43
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
Mar 15:44
And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
Mar 15:45
And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
Mar 15:46
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

So on the 6th day, the preparation day, a sepluchre or place of rest, 7th day, had been previously created for Jesus to be lain in. In death, in the Sabbath, in rest.
Joseph was waiting for the Kingdom of God which is the 1st day or Ressurection.

This is the 1st day The Lord came walking into the garden looking for Adam.
And Jesus found Mary in the garden looking for his body. Neither male nor female.. and God called them Adam on the day they were created. So whether you say Adam or Mary it is still man.

Did God need rest?

Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Isa 41:11
Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

Did Adam strive with the Lord?

Gen 3:12
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

What does it mean to strive?

dîyn, deen; or (Genesis 6:3) דּוּן dûwn; a primitive root; to rule; by implication to judge (as umpire); also to strive (as at law):—contend contend execute (judgment) judge minister judgment plead (the cause) at strife strive.

The Lord knows the future? He knew Adam would sin? He knew there would be contention between them?
The Lord created a place to separate himself from man?

In the world what separates man from God is death. In the Kingdom of God what separates the Spirit of God from man's spirit, is the lack of faith.

No faith = death.

The Sabbath was given to man. What does it represent?
A separation and a reunion. A doubledge sword.

We can keep it in our way according to the law which is not of faith but by law. Or we can keep it by faith which is where the Lord is and which is of faith and not by the law.

Adam and Eve could have joined God in His Sabbath by eating the fruit of the tree of life which is faith.
But they chose to gain their own righteousness which was contrary to God's voice and brought themselves under the condemnation of the law or commandment which God gave to them.

God also gave the commandment not to kill. So neither the one picking up sticks nor those that stoned him were listening to God.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

The ones that stoned the man gave no place for repentance, for there was no mercy under Moses law.

Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What is grace?

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Why did God give Adam the commandment not to eat the fruit?
Jhn 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Rom 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Does God know what is in the heart of man?

What was Adam thinking when he ate the fruit?
Job 31:33
If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So The Lord created a day in which to hide himself and also a place to reveal himself.

It is a very peculiar day indeed. Depending upon how one keeps it and understands it.

We are living in the day of reckoning.

Hugs

 

[Philip James]

When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman (Catholic) power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism (Secret societies, Freemasons, occult practises and sorcery, and the current Hollywood free for all in entertainment so welcomed now even in church) when, under the influence of this threefold union, (Revelation 16:13) our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near 5T 451.1

Well 'Protestantism' and Freemasons have been hand in hand for a long long time. One might even suggest that it was protestants who established the Masonic secret societies, and that they were instrumental in establishing government and policy in North America..

That they (the Masons) have been the enemy of the Church since their inception is clear to anyone who takes an honest look at their history and their animosity towards the Church.

It is not without reason, that to become a Mason automatically excommunicates one from the Church.

To expect the Church and Masonic 'protestantism' to unite is frankly ludicrous..

Pax et Bonum

 

[Ziggy]

Welcome to the new age:

And we know God wins in the end.
Have Faith.

Hugs

 

[David in NJ]

Because God knew that Adam and Eve would sin and they would need a place to go and consider what they done.

Eternal death penalty is because they chose not to listen to the Lord.

But God also made repentance, because he is a merciful God.
Amen?

But let's say you repent and then as a dog return to the vomit, how many times will God have mercy on your soul?
7 times? or infinate?

So God told Adam, don't do it. The serpent said, C'mon man it's ok.
So Adam chose the wrong fruit and didn't listen to God.

Did God know? Paul says he did.

Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

What did the fruit of knowledge or the law of Moses provide? Self-righteousness.
But when they ate of it which they were told not to, they were separated from God.
This separation God prepared on the 6th day to rest in it on the 7th day.

A time of reckoning.

Was the Sabbath day created for those who would seperate themselves from God or for God?
Why didn't Adam and Eve join God in His Sabbath instead of wandering over to the tree of knowledge?
Because death hadn't entered into the world until they sinned.
It was the preparation day.

Mar 15:42
And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Mar 15:43
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
Mar 15:44
And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
Mar 15:45
And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
Mar 15:46
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

So on the 6th day, the preparation day, a sepluchre or place of rest, 7th day, had been previously created for Jesus to be lain in. In death, in the Sabbath, in rest.
Joseph was waiting for the Kingdom of God which is the 1st day or Ressurection.

This is the 1st day The Lord came walking into the garden looking for Adam.
And Jesus found Mary in the garden looking for his body. Neither male nor female.. and God called them Adam on the day they were created. So whether you say Adam or Mary it is still man.

Did God need rest?

Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Isa 41:11
Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

Did Adam strive with the Lord?

Gen 3:12
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

What does it mean to strive?

dîyn, deen; or (Genesis 6:3) דּוּן dûwn; a primitive root; to rule; by implication to judge (as umpire); also to strive (as at law):—contend contend execute (judgment) judge minister judgment plead (the cause) at strife strive.

The Lord knows the future? He knew Adam would sin? He knew there would be contention between them?
The Lord created a place to separate himself from man?

In the world what separates man from God is death. In the Kingdom of God what separates the Spirit of God from man's spirit, is the lack of faith.

No faith = death.

The Sabbath was given to man. What does it represent?
A separation and a reunion. A doubledge sword.

We can keep it in our way according to the law which is not of faith but by law. Or we can keep it by faith which is where the Lord is and which is of faith and not by the law.

Adam and Eve could have joined God in His Sabbath by eating the fruit of the tree of life which is faith.
But they chose to gain their own righteousness which was contrary to God's voice and brought themselves under the condemnation of the law or commandment which God gave to them.

God also gave the commandment not to kill. So neither the one picking up sticks nor those that stoned him were listening to God.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

The ones that stoned the man gave no place for repentance, for there was no mercy under Moses law.

Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What is grace?

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Why did God give Adam the commandment not to eat the fruit?
Jhn 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Rom 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Does God know what is in the heart of man?

What was Adam thinking when he ate the fruit?
Job 31:33
If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So The Lord created a day in which to hide himself and also a place to reveal himself.

It is a very peculiar day indeed. Depending upon how one keeps it and understands it.

We are living in the day of reckoning.

Hugs

In the world what separates man from God is death. In the Kingdom of God what separates the Spirit of God from man's spirit, is the lack of faith.

No faith = death.

LOVE this

This is the 1st day The Lord came walking into the garden looking for Adam.

And Jesus found Mary in the garden looking for his body. Neither male nor female.. and God called them Adam on the day they were created.

The "neither male nor female" is completely contrary to Genesis and Gospel.

Just as Adam/Male was in the Garden with his wife Eve/Female so also was CHRIST/Male in the Garden with Mary/Female.

"Neither male nor female" is AFTER the Resurrection when we are given Glorified Eternal Bodies.

"Neither male nor female" only refers to our spirits that have been Made Alive via Born Again by the Spirit of God.

NOTICE = God never classifies us as 'genderless' which is the whole move of satan in these last days.

LOOK-n-SEE = Galatians 3:26-29 , 1 John 3:1-3

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[David in NJ]

Because God knew that Adam and Eve would sin and they would need a place to go and consider what they done.

Eternal death penalty is because they chose not to listen to the Lord.

But God also made repentance, because he is a merciful God.
Amen?

But let's say you repent and then as a dog return to the vomit, how many times will God have mercy on your soul?
7 times? or infinate?

So God told Adam, don't do it. The serpent said, C'mon man it's ok.
So Adam chose the wrong fruit and didn't listen to God.

Did God know? Paul says he did.

Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

What did the fruit of knowledge or the law of Moses provide? Self-righteousness.
But when they ate of it which they were told not to, they were separated from God.
This separation God prepared on the 6th day to rest in it on the 7th day.

A time of reckoning.

Was the Sabbath day created for those who would seperate themselves from God or for God?
Why didn't Adam and Eve join God in His Sabbath instead of wandering over to the tree of knowledge?
Because death hadn't entered into the world until they sinned.
It was the preparation day.

Mar 15:42
And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Mar 15:43
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
Mar 15:44
And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
Mar 15:45
And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.
Mar 15:46
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

So on the 6th day, the preparation day, a sepluchre or place of rest, 7th day, had been previously created for Jesus to be lain in. In death, in the Sabbath, in rest.
Joseph was waiting for the Kingdom of God which is the 1st day or Ressurection.

This is the 1st day The Lord came walking into the garden looking for Adam.
And Jesus found Mary in the garden looking for his body. Neither male nor female.. and God called them Adam on the day they were created. So whether you say Adam or Mary it is still man.

Did God need rest?

Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Isa 41:11
Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

Did Adam strive with the Lord?

Gen 3:12
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

What does it mean to strive?

dîyn, deen; or (Genesis 6:3) דּוּן dûwn; a primitive root; to rule; by implication to judge (as umpire); also to strive (as at law):—contend contend execute (judgment) judge minister judgment plead (the cause) at strife strive.

The Lord knows the future? He knew Adam would sin? He knew there would be contention between them?
The Lord created a place to separate himself from man?

In the world what separates man from God is death. In the Kingdom of God what separates the Spirit of God from man's spirit, is the lack of faith.

No faith = death.

The Sabbath was given to man. What does it represent?
A separation and a reunion. A doubledge sword.

We can keep it in our way according to the law which is not of faith but by law. Or we can keep it by faith which is where the Lord is and which is of faith and not by the law.

Adam and Eve could have joined God in His Sabbath by eating the fruit of the tree of life which is faith.
But they chose to gain their own righteousness which was contrary to God's voice and brought themselves under the condemnation of the law or commandment which God gave to them.

God also gave the commandment not to kill. So neither the one picking up sticks nor those that stoned him were listening to God.
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

The ones that stoned the man gave no place for repentance, for there was no mercy under Moses law.

Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

What is grace?

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Why did God give Adam the commandment not to eat the fruit?
Jhn 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Rom 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Does God know what is in the heart of man?

What was Adam thinking when he ate the fruit?
Job 31:33
If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So The Lord created a day in which to hide himself and also a place to reveal himself.

It is a very peculiar day indeed. Depending upon how one keeps it and understands it.

We are living in the day of reckoning.

Hugs

So The Lord created a day in which to hide himself and also a place to reveal himself.

CORRECT

And that 'DAY' is no longer a day of the week as it was never meant to remain as such but was TEMPORARY.

Exodus 31:12-17 was FULFILLED in MESSIAH and HE said so = John 3:16-18 , Matt 5:17 and more

BOTH contain the Eternal Commandment of "no work shall be done" AND "if anyone does any work they shall be put to death".

ONLY One contains the Eternal REST

Christians who make either saturday or sunday as a commandment from God are not understanding what God did for us in CHRIST.

Just as the Jews were a peculiar people unto God as compared to the world, so also should christians be peculiar not only to the world but to the Jew as well and the PARAMOUNT of PECULIARITY is on God's REST = REST is MESSIAH = "TODAY, if you hear His Voice"

 

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And that 'DAY' is no longer a day of the week as it was never meant to remain as such but was TEMPORARY.

Exodus 31:12-17 was FULFILLED in MESSIAH and HE said so = John 3:16-18 , Matt 5:17 and more

BOTH contain the Eternal Commandment of "no work shall be done" AND "if anyone does any work they shall be put to death".

ONLY One contains the Eternal REST

Christians who make either saturday or sunday as a commandment from God are not understanding what God did for us in CHRIST.

Just as the Jews were a peculiar people unto God as compared to the world, so also should christians be peculiar not only to the world but to the Jew as well and the PARAMOUNT of PECULIARITY is on God's REST = REST is MESSIAH = "TODAY, if you hear His Voice"

Like when the disciples asked Jesus about fasting.
John the baptist which represents the end of the law and his disciples fast oft.
Mat 9:14
Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
Mat 9:15
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

There are two fasts. One is physical by refraining to eat and drink, and the other is spiritual which is to mourn the loss of.

I don't find any commandments for Fasting in the NT.

Act 27:9
Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them,

nēsteía, nace-ti'-ah; from G3522; abstinence (from lack of food, or voluntary and religious) ; specially, the fast of the Day of Atonement: fast(-ing) .

Rom 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Even the Holy Days and feasts were to show the future of things that were come to pass.

Every Holy day is listed as completed in the NT.
I don't think that means we shouldn't observe them, but our hope isn't in them for a future occurance.
All has been fulfilled.

Like Christmas, we celebrate the birth of Jesus, even though I personally believe it was sometime September/October,
That doesn't mean we look for Christ to be born again. He already died once for mankind. And is alive and seated at the Right hand of God.

The Day of Atonement represents the day Jesus shed his blood for us on the cross and made an atonement for our sins.

They were a shadow of things to come and all fulfilled by Jesus himself.

And How can we mourn when the Kingdom of God is within us?

I think fasting on an earthly scale is good for the body, it's a cleanser. Fasting is good for the mind in that it reminds us all of our being and nourishment comes from God and not by bread alone.

But I don't believe it is a requirement, certainly not for salvation.

Col 2:20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21
(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22
Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

So if you choose to fast it is not because there is a law which says to do so, but you fast to God.

Zec 7:4
Then came the word of the LORD of hosts unto me, saying,
Zec 7:5
Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month, even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, even to me?
Zec 7:6
And when ye did eat, and when ye did drink, did not ye eat for yourselves, and drink for yourselves?

It's about getting your priorities in order.
Everything we do we should do to honor God and not ourselves. Not because the law says so, but because it comes from your heart.

And people out there will criticize you and make fun of you and persecute you, because they don't understand the FREEDOM to do or not to do, we have in Christ.

We have the liberty to keep or not to keep, as long as what we do, is for God's glory and not our own.
And as long as we do it in faith and by God's grace.
He never wanted us bound to the earth, we bound ourselves.
Now he has set us free so we can freely worship God however the spirit leads us.
God is spirit, and those that worship must worship in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Let the Spirit lead you, not the law.

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