If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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The Throne is The Cross.

Revelation 22:3-4
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
 
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Tell me what is going on here, are you saying atheists are going to use the "glory of God" to see and still won't know about this Kingdom in the Millennium Reign?

It sure feels like this City of Light is available right now to the nations that are Saved. How are there "kings of the earth" if JESUS is going to be the physical King?

Rev 21:23-24
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Rev 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 

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If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?
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Jesus’ Kingdom is a measure of land.
Land has been here since the beginning of Gods Creation.
The measure of Jesus’ Kingdom is the measure of land given Abraham’s faithful descendants, through Issac and Jacob.

For centuries, groups, tribes, nations have occupied these lands, yet the Land shall be Jesus’ Kingdom when He returns to claim His Kingdom and Throne.

 

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And John could have easily added in Christ as the first foundation along with the prophets as foundations of the New Jerusalem in Rev 21 besides the 12 foundations of the Prophets....great input

The Jews burned their own food thinking they could force GOD'S Hand to help them ...then 70 A.D. happened.



JESUS is the Cornerstone of The Living Temple that cannot be shaken.

Hebrews 12:25-29
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire.
 
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Everyone loves videos about the mark of the beast and 666. You never bothered to actually look into what is required for your view to work. You literally take The Covenant from Daniel's 70 Weeks and hand It to the antichrist. Think about that. You are saying Angel Gabriel told Daniel ...a Jew, about some antichrist with a covenant ...how much more ridiculous can you get?
 
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Catholics like to pretend this is about them, but The Church is The Body of CHRIST ...which is The Kingdom of GOD. "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." tells us The Kingdom is now.

Matthew 16:17-19 ESV
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
 

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The Jews burned their own food thinking they could force GOD'S Hand to help them ...then 70 A.D. happened.



JESUS is the Cornerstone of The Living Temple that cannot be shaken.

Hebrews 12:25-29
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire.
Liking the clip PJ...still reviewing it ....busy days right now...
 
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The Jews burned their own food thinking they could force GOD'S Hand to help them ...then 70 A.D. happened.



JESUS is the Cornerstone of The Living Temple that cannot be shaken.

Hebrews 12:25-29
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire.
Still reviewing the clip and I like the linkage and sequence of events leading up to the demise of Jerusalem and the end of that age.

1. After the Crucifixion of Christ, for about another 30 years or so later, the two witnesses were still alive and well in Jerusalem. The new generation of Christians carries the messages of the 2 witnesses - Moses of the Law of God, and Elijah representing the prophets who spoke of the gospel of God during their own time.

2. The two witnesses of true spiritual truth, purposely instigated and aroused the local authorities of the Pharisees and Sadducees to persecute the Hebrew Christians. They hated the Two Witness of God and the Hebrew Christian of Abraham's promise.

The two witnesses brought a message of grave judgment to Jerusalem if they continued to reject Christ, and not turning away as repentance for their evil acts of spiritual idolatry.

3. In 66 AD, a zealot skirmish broke out within the walls of Jerusalem. These people became restless and wanted power and a seat at the table of local governance. It drew the attention of a Roman General Gallus. He brought a small army down from the North from Syria and temporarily placed Jerusalem under siege.

The effect of the Romans' presence excited the Nationalists, the zealots, with their cry for political representation on par with the religious elite. They stirred up the locals and appealed to their national loyalty. They even assembled a small army of several thousand.

The Romans for the first time being outside of the walls of the City, in attack formation, placed the local elite in a quandary as they were always in league with the Romans, and against the Christians. They had no choice and eventually recognized the zealots' growing political power.

Another effect of the Roman presence caused the Christians to flee out of Jerusalem and surrounding areas into the hills, as they remembered what Christ said about the time Roman soldiers would surround the walls of Jerusalem. This was their signal to flee with haste, and they took it. By doing so, this also caused the two witnesses to continue to preach within Jerusalem more vigorously, for 3.5 years, preaching repentance and judgment and the gospel of salvation, from God.

Suddenly, the Romans soldiers left and the zealot army pursued them and defeated them. The zealots returned as National heroes and now held a political edge. These zealots now believed that God was on their side. That God was going to intervene and rescue Jerusalem as he had done throughout its history. So now the two witnesses were down on the streets, dead, gone, forgotten, trodden underfoot by the new spiritual thinking of God's protection and salvation for Jerusalem once again.

4. Now the famous Roman general Vespasian with his 60,000 troops then came down for the Euphrates after hearing of Gallus' defeat, and systematic pillaged, burnt down villages and towns and killed all in his path going South. Many escaped his path and fled into Jerusalem thinking it was a safe haven. And thus its population grew very quickly in the process. How ironic that fleeing into Jerusalem was still considered God's holy safe haven after all they had witnessed from the Romans.

The zealots believed so much in God's divine intervention, they actually burn the food, to deliberately pick a fight and to force God's hand to act on their behalf against Vespasian.

So Jerusalem celebrated this empty message of hope and salvation, by partying and gifting each other. They also got rid of the two witnesses or so they thought.

By the beginning of 70 AD, the remaining 'dying' as embers of a fire, the few voices representing the two witnesses, preaching repentance and imminent judgement, took the true spirit of God of Israel with them to the hills, or they were martyred. They were all raised up! What was left in Jerusalem when Titus, the new god of Jerusalem's people came inside its walls and the temple, was spiritual emptiness and chaos. The spirit of the Jews were gone, and only an empty shell remained for good.

The atmosphere was one of simultaneous despair, famine, death and destruction, and misplaced hope in God's imagined revenge. Insanity of knowing all will die soon ensued until the end. And they continued in a doomsday type of festive mood, with celebrations of false hope and false joy. It was finished, indeed.

.................more to it of course.....first cut...
 
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The Whole Earth. He won that right when HE died for our sins on the cross. He will come again in Glory to judge the living and the dead, and of his kingdom there will be no end. Right now in the world, "the king of the air" is in charge.
 
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Revelation 11:17
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

JESUS is already Reigning.

The seat of David was on Mount Zion. Mount Zion is GOD'S Kingdom.

The House of Jacob is Israel, JESUS Displayed that He is Reigning by Judging it.
The house of Jacob is all of the descendants of Jacob, also called Israel. Which God says in Genesis will number like the sands of the beach. Now there are not that many pure Jewish people. The Israelites were not all Jewish, they wandered in the desert for 40 years. The seed of Jabob is many who do not know that they are from Him and his decendants.
 

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Still reviewing the clip and I like the linkage and sequence of events leading up to the demise of Jerusalem and the end of that age.

1. After the Crucifixion of Christ, for about another 30 years or so later, the two witnesses were still alive and well in Jerusalem. The new generation of Christians carries the messages of the 2 witnesses - Moses of the Law of God, and Elijah representing the prophets who spoke of the gospel of God during their own time.

2. The two witnesses of true spiritual truth, purposely instigated and aroused the local authorities of the Pharisees and Sadducees to persecute the Hebrew Christians. They hated the Two Witness of God and the Hebrew Christian of Abraham's promise.

The two witnesses brought a message of grave judgment to Jerusalem if they continued to reject Christ, and not turning away as repentance for their evil acts of spiritual idolatry.

3. In 66 AD, a zealot skirmish broke out within the walls of Jerusalem. These people became restless and wanted power and a seat at the table of local governance. It drew the attention of a Roman General Gallus. He brought a small army down from the North from Syria and temporarily placed Jerusalem under siege.

The effect of the Romans' presence excited the Nationalists, the zealots, with their cry for political representation on par with the religious elite. They stirred up the locals and appealed to their national loyalty. They even assembled a small army of several thousand.

The Romans for the first time being outside of the walls of the City, in attack formation, placed the local elite in a quandary as they were always in league with the Romans, and against the Christians. They had no choice and eventually recognized the zealots' growing political power.

Another effect of the Roman presence caused the Christians to flee out of Jerusalem and surrounding areas into the hills, as they remembered what Christ said about the time Roman soldiers would surround the walls of Jerusalem. This was their signal to flee with haste, and they took it. By doing so, this also caused the two witnesses to continue to preach within Jerusalem more vigorously, for 3.5 years, preaching repentance and judgment and the gospel of salvation, from God.

Suddenly, the Romans soldiers left and the zealot army pursued them and defeated them. The zealots returned as National heroes and now held a political edge. These zealots now believed that God was on their side. That God was going to intervene and rescue Jerusalem as he had done throughout its history. So now the two witnesses were down on the streets, dead, gone, forgotten, trodden underfoot by the new spiritual thinking of God's protection and salvation for Jerusalem once again.

4. Now the famous Roman general Vespasian with his 60,000 troops then came down for the Euphrates after hearing of Gallus' defeat, and systematic pillaged, burnt down villages and towns and killed all in his path going South. Many escaped his path and fled into Jerusalem thinking it was a safe haven. And thus its population grew very quickly in the process. How ironic that fleeing into Jerusalem was still considered God's holy safe haven after all they had witnessed from the Romans.

The zealots believed so much in God's divine intervention, they actually burn the food, to deliberately pick a fight and to force God's hand to act on their behalf against Vespasian.

So Jerusalem celebrated this empty message of hope and salvation, by partying and gifting each other. They also got rid of the two witnesses or so they thought.

By the beginning of 70 AD, the remaining 'dying' as embers of a fire, the few voices representing the two witnesses, preaching repentance and imminent judgement, took the true spirit of God of Israel with them to the hills, or they were martyred. They were all raised up! What was left in Jerusalem when Titus, the new god of Jerusalem's people came inside its walls and the temple, was spiritual emptiness and chaos. The spirit of the Jews were gone, and only an empty shell remained for good.

The atmosphere was one of simultaneous despair, famine, death and destruction, and misplaced hope in God's imagined revenge. Insanity of knowing all will die soon ensued until the end. And they continued in a doomsday type of festive mood, with celebrations of false hope and false joy. It was finished, indeed.

.................more to it of course.....first cut...

i appreciate these notes, thanks for spending the time.
 

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If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.
Right on!
 
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Does the following sound like current day Israel has anything to do with eschatology?

John 4:20-24
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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If there isn't a difference between Jew and Gentile anymore, why are their people that insist they are "Jews" when it's impossible to be one after 70 A.D.?

Did JESUS purposely leave rabbis without a way to have a High Priest or a Temple on the correct land after 70 A.D.? Would they rather use their man-made rule changes than face what GOD is telling them?

Did JESUS tell us the hour was coming when Jerusalem wouldn't be where we worship The Father (John 4:20-24)? Does this ruin Premillennialism?
 

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Calling yourself a "Jew" doesn't mean anything anymore. There is no more sea. There is no more distinction.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
 

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It's about New Jerusalem now, The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Galatians 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrew 11:16
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Hebrews 12:22-23
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


You want It to come out of the clouds, well, GOD Made it:

Hebrews 11:10
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.


The bride is Married to The Body of CHRIST:

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
 

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You let Pharisees tell you what constitutes what a "Jew" is. Pretty sure GOD already set those requirements and no one today qualifies.
 

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The people that call themselves "Jews" today are Historians (The Torah), but are as unsaved as atheists. You can declare yourself anything you want, but making up your own rules to be a real Jew doesn't make it legitimate.
 

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Still reviewing the clip and I like the linkage and sequence of events leading up to the demise of Jerusalem and the end of that age.

1. After the Crucifixion of Christ, for about another 30 years or so later, the two witnesses were still alive and well in Jerusalem. The new generation of Christians carries the messages of the 2 witnesses - Moses of the Law of God, and Elijah representing the prophets who spoke of the gospel of God during their own time.

2. The two witnesses of true spiritual truth, purposely instigated and aroused the local authorities of the Pharisees and Sadducees to persecute the Hebrew Christians. They hated the Two Witness of God and the Hebrew Christian of Abraham's promise.

The two witnesses brought a message of grave judgment to Jerusalem if they continued to reject Christ, and not turning away as repentance for their evil acts of spiritual idolatry.

3. In 66 AD, a zealot skirmish broke out within the walls of Jerusalem. These people became restless and wanted power and a seat at the table of local governance. It drew the attention of a Roman General Gallus. He brought a small army down from the North from Syria and temporarily placed Jerusalem under siege.

The effect of the Romans' presence excited the Nationalists, the zealots, with their cry for political representation on par with the religious elite. They stirred up the locals and appealed to their national loyalty. They even assembled a small army of several thousand.

The Romans for the first time being outside of the walls of the City, in attack formation, placed the local elite in a quandary as they were always in league with the Romans, and against the Christians. They had no choice and eventually recognized the zealots' growing political power.

Another effect of the Roman presence caused the Christians to flee out of Jerusalem and surrounding areas into the hills, as they remembered what Christ said about the time Roman soldiers would surround the walls of Jerusalem. This was their signal to flee with haste, and they took it. By doing so, this also caused the two witnesses to continue to preach within Jerusalem more vigorously, for 3.5 years, preaching repentance and judgment and the gospel of salvation, from God.

Suddenly, the Romans soldiers left and the zealot army pursued them and defeated them. The zealots returned as National heroes and now held a political edge. These zealots now believed that God was on their side. That God was going to intervene and rescue Jerusalem as he had done throughout its history. So now the two witnesses were down on the streets, dead, gone, forgotten, trodden underfoot by the new spiritual thinking of God's protection and salvation for Jerusalem once again.

4. Now the famous Roman general Vespasian with his 60,000 troops then came down for the Euphrates after hearing of Gallus' defeat, and systematic pillaged, burnt down villages and towns and killed all in his path going South. Many escaped his path and fled into Jerusalem thinking it was a safe haven. And thus its population grew very quickly in the process. How ironic that fleeing into Jerusalem was still considered God's holy safe haven after all they had witnessed from the Romans.

The zealots believed so much in God's divine intervention, they actually burn the food, to deliberately pick a fight and to force God's hand to act on their behalf against Vespasian.

So Jerusalem celebrated this empty message of hope and salvation, by partying and gifting each other. They also got rid of the two witnesses or so they thought.

By the beginning of 70 AD, the remaining 'dying' as embers of a fire, the few voices representing the two witnesses, preaching repentance and imminent judgement, took the true spirit of God of Israel with them to the hills, or they were martyred. They were all raised up! What was left in Jerusalem when Titus, the new god of Jerusalem's people came inside its walls and the temple, was spiritual emptiness and chaos. The spirit of the Jews were gone, and only an empty shell remained for good.

The atmosphere was one of simultaneous despair, famine, death and destruction, and misplaced hope in God's imagined revenge. Insanity of knowing all will die soon ensued until the end. And they continued in a doomsday type of festive mood, with celebrations of false hope and false joy. It was finished, indeed.

.................more to it of course.....first cut...

 
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