Jack Van Impe Challenging Pope Francis to Debate!!

[BreadOfLife]

Really? Where's that in the Bible?

Probably in the chapter next to the one where you’ll find the words “Adventist”, “Soul Sleep” and “Ellen G. White” . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

100 million murdered "heretic" saints would disagree with you, DB.

In other words – you have NO answer. J
another false charge from another angry, ignorant anti-Catholic.

That’s what I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, the "bowing down" to them was what was forbidden. The sanctuary had images of angels sewn into the fabric of the veil. Why did papists delete the 2nd commandment and then commence teaching the faithful to bow down and worship/pray to statues?

No – the WORSHIPPING of them is what was forbidden.

Congratulations, though. Some of your fellow anti-Catholics are actually dumb enough say that it was the creation of images that was forbidden. Keep studying – you’ll get there, eventually . . .

By the way – can you show me ONE Catholic teaching that promotes praying TO a statue or image?? Since you claim that this is what we teach– this should be EASY for you.

Until then, consider yourself exposed . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, not exactly...you forgot a VERY important color that the Israelites used with their vestments: BLUE. They were to sew BLUE on the fringes and borders so when they looked upon it, they would "remember the law". The papacy has sought to destroy the law of God and that's why they only use purple and scarlet w/o the blue.

This is perhaps one of the more asinine charges of yours – completely without ANY basis in fact.

There is an array of Liturgical colors and vestments worn by the clergy that are NOT red – and are based on feasts, solemnities and seasons. If you did your homework instead of embarrassing yourself - you would have known this . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you're you claiming Jesus wants & wills the fancy garbes, and jewelry and gold?

ALL throughout Scripture, God’s people have offered to Him their very BEST –and approached God with the utmost reverence – beginning with Abel. This PLEASED God.

When Solomon built the Temple, it was adorned with statues and gold and logs of finest cedar – and this PLEASED God.

Conversely - Jesus rebuked Judas when he complained that the woman broke a jar of expensive ointment and anointed Him with it because the money could have been used for the poor. You’re in the same camp as Judas.

Good luck with that . . .

 

[tzcho2]

ALL throughout Scripture, God’s people have offered to Him their very BEST –and approached God with the utmost reverence – beginning with Abel. This PLEASED God.

When Solomon built the Temple, it was adorned with statues and gold and logs of finest cedar – and this PLEASED God.

Conversely - Jesus rebuked Judas when he complained that the woman broke a jar of expensive ointment and anointed Him with it because the money could have been used for the poor. You’re in the same camp as Judas.

Good luck with that . . .

Jesus stated that He had not even a place to lay His head. Jesus owned nothing, but the clothes on His back, "the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."

Neither did the Apostles after His crucifixion wrap themselves in royal garments, wearing jeweled rings & parade about, or carried on thrones.

But you twist the scripture , man. The RCC lifts itself up as Royalty, and it's ornamentation testifies to it's making itself RICH, and it is Evidence of the RCC GREED--- it is filthy lucre.

 

[tzcho2]

You’re in the same camp as Judas.

Good luck with that . . .

Your evil false accusations are typical of the arrogance of Rome against true believers --whom they tortured and killed for hundreds and hundreds of years.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your evil false accusations are typical of the arrogance of Rome against true believers --whom they tortured and killed for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Nope – just pointing out that our LORD rebuked Judas for the SAME thing YOU are whining about.

Puts YOU in some pretty shady company . . .

 

[tzcho2]

Nope – just pointing out that our LORD rebuked Judas for the SAME thing YOU are whining about.

Puts YOU in some pretty shady company . . .

You represent the RCC and are a Great example of being an accuser of the Brethren with the RCC --which has the blood of the saints on it's hands.
The Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon and will rebuke the RCC shady dealings, the persecution of Christian saints & Jews, the corruption of the word of God, the spiritual prostitution, idolatry, false gospel , and it's filthy riches of the RCC.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You represent the RCC and are a Great example of being an accuser of the Brethren with the RCC --which has the blood of the saints on it's hands.
The Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon and will rebuke the RCC shady dealings, the persecution of Christian saints & Jews, the corruption of the word of God, the spiritual prostitution, idolatry, false gospel , and it's filthy riches of the RCC.

TRANSLATION:
"I don’t have an educated response for what you said - so I’ll just continue with the ignorant anti-Catholic drivel.”

That’s what Ithought . . .

 

[epostle]

So you're you claiming Jesus wants & wills the fancy garb, and jewelry and gold of the RCC, their Pope & priests?.....I think not.
The Bible states (Luke 9:58 ) Jesus stated that He had not even a place to lay His head. Jesus owned nothing, but the clothes on His back, "the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."

Neither did the Apostles after His crucifixion wrap themselves in royal garments, wearing jeweled rings & parade about, or carried on thrones.

Matthew 26:6 Now while Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper,a]'>[a] 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very costly ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at the table. 8 But when the disciples saw it, they were angry and said, “Why this waste? 9 For this ointment could have been sold for a large sum, and the money given to the poor.”

Your indignance is familiar. We glorify God with architecture. Where in the Bible does it demand bare white walls for places of worship?

This is the liturgical garb worn by the high priest as commanded by God. Do you object to this too?
Where in the Bible does it demand that your pastor wear a business suit?

 

[epostle]

You represent the RCC and are a Great example of being an accuser of the Brethren with the RCC --which has the blood of the saints on it's hands.

But you cannot name a single martyr of the second or third century, you have nothing to do with that historic CHURCH. You can argue all day you can identify with the early martyrs, but have not a single name to support your wishful thinking. They were all Catholics, which is why history is your enemy.

 

[tzcho2]

TRANSLATION:
"I don’t have an educated response for what you said - so I’ll just continue with the ignorant anti-Catholic drivel.”

That’s what Ithought . . .

You never answered the question.
Does Jesus want or will for the RCC to be filthy rich, and decked out in ROYAL robes, to bejeweled and 24 Kt gold and the Pope carried or sitting on a golden throne? Jesus said He had not even a place to lay His head.

 

[tzcho2]

Matthew 26:6 Now while Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper,a]'>[a] 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very costly ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at the table. 8 But when the disciples saw it, they were angry and said, “Why this waste? 9 For this ointment could have been sold for a large sum, and the money given to the poor.”

Your indignance is familiar. We glorify God with architecture. Where in the Bible does it demand bare white walls for places of worship?

This is the liturgical garb worn by the high priest as commanded by God. Do you object to this too?
Where in the Bible does it demand that your pastor wear a business suit?

The RCC glorifies herself and tells it's congregation to give money, attend Mass so they get to heaven--that's why they have gotten so rich.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You never answered the question.
Does Jesus want or will for the RCC to be filthy rich, and decked out in ROYAL robes, to bejeweled and 24 Kt gold and the Pope carried or sitting on a golden throne? Jesus said He had not even a place to lay His head.

The Church isn’t “filthy rich” and the Pope doesn’t sit on a throne of gold.

The Church IS, however, the LARGEST charitable organization on the planet. No Protestant organization even comes close – neither do most countries. I'm sure God is PLEASED with His Church about that.

You need to do your homework before you go around slinging false accusations . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

Unfortunately out of ignorance, due to being falsely directed by that which is "religiously popular",
you are extracting and mis-applying the FULFILLED prophetic words of Daniel 7:25
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
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That scripture is about the little horn, who WAS Antiochus Epiphanes of the Seleucid empire, "in the latter time of their kingdom" of the 3rd beast.
You applied it to a false doctrine, that "church-ianity" fabricated, out of both the OT. and the NT.
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There is NO "little horn" in the book Revelation-KJV.
The "Religious scholarly learned" committed a gross error, and so now are all the churches!

The Little Horn is NOT Antiochus Epiphenes IV.

Take Daniel's description of the Little Horn as "exceeding great" beyond Alexander the Great and Cyrus the Great of Medo-Persia, whom the Lord called His "shepherd". Was Antiochus "exceeding great"? The history books prove he was a punk.

 

[Phoneman777]

As for the Jews, that was a custom/tradition of men. It means nothing!

Nothing like a papal sympathizer who "darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge" to wake up the old man in me, and then I have to pray for power to beat him back to unconsciousness.

Numbers:
15:38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
15:39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
15:40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.
15:41 I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I [am] the LORD your God.​

Care to retract that bit about "tradition"?

Now, please tell us why the papacy - which claims the authority to change God's law and makes it her boast to Protestants that they are worshiping on a day that has nothing to do with God's law, but to do with PAPAL authority - why they don't wear blue so that they "remember the commandments"...

 

[Phoneman777]

Just the kind of impotent response I would have expected from an anti-Catholic of your limited caliber . . .

Look, Dead Bread, if you're going to claim one Divine promise for your fake papal priesthood, then why not claim them all? Just think of it! Catholics don't need to worry about death! Just claim God's promise to Ezekiel at the Valley of Dry Bones and voila!

(Of course, I'm exposing your absurdity by being absurd: the passage about God sprinkling us has nothing to do with "holy water". Y'all got that straight outta DAGON worship and you know it.)

 

[Phoneman777]

Probably in the chapter next to the one where you’ll find the words “Adventist”, “Soul Sleep” and “Ellen G. White” . . .

Really? What about the "Assumption of Mary", "Marriage forbidden to the priesthood", "St. Joseph's altar", "prayers to the (patron) dead", "Mardi Gras", "Ash Wedneday", "Easter", "Christmas"....and the most blasphemous of all..."worship of the Sun god Satan by veneration of Sunday"???
(Well, we already know y'all admit that the change from Sabbath to Sunday is purely by Roman Catholic authority alone, so no need to answer that one LOL)

 

[Phoneman777]

In other words – you have NO answer. J
another false charge from another angry, ignorant anti-Catholic.

That’s what I thought . . .

It's a matter of history, Dead Bread. Only an imbecile will deny the million of dear Christian saints who were sentenced to death by papal authorities...why did your pope go on an apology tour if the papacy didn't KILL anyone?