Matthew 24

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The first question related to these things i.e. the buildings/stones of the temple and their fate.

The initial ensuing verses of the discourse answer that question, in Jesus' description of the signs which would precede the coming destruction.



Where in there do you see "the entire Olivet discourse"?
 
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The first question related to these things i.e. the buildings/stones of the temple and their fate.

The initial ensuing verses of the discourse answer that question, in Jesus' description of the signs which would precede the coming destruction.



Where in there do you see "the entire Olivet discourse"?
The initial ensuing Discourse Jesus gave after He sat down on the Mount of Olives had nothing to do with the destruction of the temple.

If you read your Bible you would not make such a claim, because it's without any basis.

Apologies if I read your words "initial ensuring" without noticing that it was probably a misspelling of the words "initial ensuing", so as to misunderstand that you're probably only talking about the signs leading up to the end of the Age and (mentioned in Matt.24:14 and verse 9), and not the entire Discourse.

Regardless, your claim about what the Lord's "initial ensuing" words spoken on the Mount of Olives were referring to, is baseless and without merit, as verse 14 clearly shows.
 

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Jesus was a Prophet, as well as our Saviour.
Like all the Prophets of God, He spoke of things to happen in the near and the distant future.
Matthew 24:1-51, is like that.

As the believers in and the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, His Words have relevance to us.
It can easily be seen that with the fig tree budding and breaking into leaf, that this was fulfilled by Judah in 1948; the Jewish people, re-establishing themselves back into the holy Land.
Note well; that Jesus does not say that Judah will flower and bear fruit, as He precluded that in Matthew 21:18-19

There is no doubt, looking from many angles; that we who are alive today; are very close to the point in time when Jesus will come unexpectedly and destroy His enemies. Matthew 24:44
He was not referring to His glorious Return*, but to the multi Prophesied great and dreadful Day of His fiery wrath, an event of a similar magnitude to Noah's Flood. Matthew 24:37 The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, when He will not be seen. Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17

* The glorious Return will not be unexpected as it will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated and seen by all. Rev 1:7
 

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This has an exhaustive list starting in the 17th century ...... List of people claimed to be Jesus - Wikipedia
Rella, this list is immaterial about people claiming to be Jesus. Please pay careful attention to what Christ said in Matthew 24:5. He did NOT say false christs would arise saying "I am Jesus". They would arise saying "I am Christ". There is a distinction between these words. The word "Christ" is interpreted as being the "Messiah", according to John 1:41. And that "Messiah" was what Daniel's 9:25's prophecy spoke about.

The one named "Messiah the Prince" in Daniel 9:25 was prophesied to come on the scene at the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy. All the people in Israel at the time of John's ministry knew very well that the year had come for that "Messiah the Prince" to arrive on the scene. That was why "all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ or not" (Luke 3:15). Even the Samaritan woman at the well knew that the arrival of the Messiah, who was called "Christ", was expected at that time.

When Jesus came claiming to be the Messiah, and was subsequently rejected by His own people in general, they went looking for false, substitute individuals to fulfill that prophesied "Messiah the Prince" role. They were doing this as close as possible to the prophesied beginning of the 70th week back in the first century, so that their claim on the Messiah role would be believable. This was a prevalent problem back in the first century to have false christs claiming to be that fulfillment of Daniel's "Messiah the Prince" prediction. That was the purpose behind the rise of all the various Zealot leaders in Israel, even in Christ's own days. Barabbas the Zealot insurrectionist leader was trying to show himself to be that "Messiah the Prince", and many others would try to do the same.
If you have a record of people between , ummm, lets say AD 29 or 30 up to AD 70 please tell me . ...
The poster @covenantee with their earlier comment #200 above gave a recorded list of such individuals around the first-century who were claiming to be the Messiah the Prince.
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. I have read no historian that recorded this. Can you provide something?
The sun, moon and stars was not a reference to literal solar, lunar, and stellar objects. This prediction was in reference to Joseph's dream which compared these things to his father, mother, and brothers who built up the nation of Israel at its beginning. These things regarding the nation of Israel's identity were dissolved in the AD 66-70 period. The "powers of the heavens" being shaken (and removed) was the elimination of the Satanic realm with Satan as the "Prince of the power of the air" in that same time period.
30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. Again nothing, nada, is historically recorded.
The "sign of the Son of Man" appearing in the sky was going to be the new moon appearing. This appearance of the new moon had always dictated when Passover was scheduled, and consequently when Pentecost day would take place 50 day later. Christ returned on that Pentecost day in AD 70, because Daniel 12:11-13 predicted the resurrection event would take place at the end of those 1,335 days. We today can count down a period of 1,335 days following those two specific events Daniel predicted (which initiated the 1,335 day countdown ending on Pentecost day in AD 70).

Also, back in Ezekiel 46:1-3, the people were to worship at the eastern gate of the temple in the Sabbaths and the new moons. Only the prince of the people was allowed to enter and leave through that eastern gate. This symbolized the location and the timing for the return of "Messiah the Prince", back on Pentecost day in AD 70. No one knew the day or the hour when that new moon would appear, so they were to "watch" for it.
31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Just what do you think Josephus was doing at this time? Pretty bad historian eh?
That "great trumpet" was sounded for the DEAD in Christ to hear - not the living. All of the elect DEAD bodies of the saints heard that trumpet, from one end of the sky to the other. Why would Josephus have heard a trumpet call for the DEAD? He was still alive at the time. When the 7th trumpet sounded in Rev. 11:15, the 24 elders announced that it was time for the DEAD to be judged, with rewards given to all the resurrected saints, both great and small.
 
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The initial ensuing Discourse Jesus gave after He sat down on the Mount of Olives had nothing to do with the destruction of the temple.

If you read your Bible you would not make such a claim, because it's without any basis.

Apologies if I read your words "initial ensuring" without noticing that it was probably a misspelling of the words "initial ensuing", so as to misunderstand that you're probably only talking about the signs leading up to the end of the Age and (mentioned in Matt.24:14 and verse 9), and not the entire Discourse.

Regardless, your claim about what the Lord's "initial ensuing" words spoken on the Mount of Olives were referring to, is baseless and without merit, as verse 14 clearly shows.
Thanks for the spelling correction.

As your claim that Matthew 24:2 is not about the physical temple is baseless and without merit.

With which all historical commentators who commented on the verse agree.