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Featured Revelation 8:1-5 silence, half hour, earthquake ??

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Bible_Gazer, Mar 16, 2019.

  1. Bible_Gazer

    Bible_Gazer Active Member

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    1. What is the silence in heaven ?

    2. How long is the 1/2 hour ? In Rev. 17 there is a 1 hour
    What is going on during this time frame ?

    3. v.5 Angel cast fire into the earth and there was voices, thundering, lighting
    and an earthquake. So will there be a calamity event here or what ?
    This happens before the 7 trumpets messages is given.


    Opinion is welcome here.
    Possibility is welcome here.
    Truth is welcome here. :)
     
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    Perhaps it's the calm during the eye of a hurricane.
     
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    It could be the timing of the event vis a vis the spring or the fall.

    Yes....I'm talking of the time change....Spring: One hour ahead Fall: One hour back

    Just to get everybody's clocks synchronized.
     
  4. Bible_Gazer

    Bible_Gazer Active Member

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    I think I read someone said that the 1 hour Rev.17 when the Kings are given power is 7 years.
    If that is how long the one hour is, then the 1/2 hour would be for 3 1/2 years.
    If that is so, the 7 trumpets are not blown until the silence is done and fire cast into the earth.
     
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    ok and you already know what happens to those who add to the words in that Book right
    so iow their phrasing will guide you there
     
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    In reading this, I think you are thinking far to literally.....our brains cannot comprehend the spiritual things of God. That is why He speaks and writes in picture image form.

    NOT that I have an answer to your question ....and very obviously no one else here has either.
    For when they do...we will all have the inner witness to it! :)
     
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  7. Jay Ross

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    My understanding is that the calamity is the turmoil that comes down from heaven. Wherever G:4578 is found in the NT it should be translated as "turmoil" and not "earthquake" as the present English translations have translated this Greek word. That gives the wrong understanding of what is being said.

    Associated with G:4578 is turmoil such as fighting or confusion that occurs when a calamity is occurring. It is found seven times in the Book of Revelation and is associated with the turmoil of an event, i.e. the two witnesses dying and then being resurrected after lying in the square for a period of time. During the resulting turmoil, seven thousand people lost their lives because the Glory of God was seen by all who were gazing upon the dead bodies of the two witnesses. People dying is Satan's way of tell the peoples of the earth that he has power over them and that he is greater than GOD.
     
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    1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
    2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
    3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.
    4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.
    5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

    This concludes the first three and half years of the tribulation.

    Seven trumpets sound mid trib. They signal Christ is moving from testing to taking control of The earth.

    It signals the showdown between Satan, AC and false prophet is beginning.

    The 144,000 of Israel are sealed and taken to safety.

    There is a delay to ensure all 144,000 are sealed.

    The prayers of the saints for the second coming is being answered.

    As it says, no more delay.

    The bowls follow quickly and they are much greater than what the seals and trumpets bring.
     
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    Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the Seventh Seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.

    We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun. God is eternal, His ways are not our ways. Anyway, the Bible informs us twice that one day in heaven is like [as] 1000 years on earth. Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 Genesis speaks of ‘6 days’ of creation, it seems more logical that they were actually 1000 year periods, or allegorically pointing to God’s 7000 year Plan for the earth.

    We have a date for the completion of the 6000 year era of mankind’s rule, obtained from the careful addition of the Biblical kings reigning periods and the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 30/31 AD. Luke 3:1
    It is 2031 and as we are now in 2019, only 12 years remain until the Return of Jesus. [Remember, our years are counted from their commencement]

    It has been assumed that the ‘half hour’ starts soon after the Sixth Seal and finishes at the commencement of the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. That is: 3½ years before the Return. But the Sixth Seal commences the Wrath of God and the Lamb, Rev. 6:17, then we see it isn’t until the completion of the Great Tribulation, that the Wrath of God is finished. Revelation 15:1

    The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of about 20 earth years.
    Therefore if, as seems likely, if the Sixth Seal – the great and terrible Day of the Lord, happens very soon – perhaps on the Day of Trumpets, it will be 12 years until 2031. So that will be the period of ‘silence in heaven’ but of tumult and huge changes on earth!

    A lot must happen during that time – the regeneration of the Land, many prophesies about that – the Lord will send rain. Then the gathering, and settling of His people, again many prophecies – houses rebuilt, land productive... The selection of the 144,000, The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return in 2031.

    It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.
     
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    Are you saying the fire cast into the earth by the Angel has something to do with the 7,000 dying ?
    tenth part of the city = so 60,000 are left
     
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    No I am saying that turmoil within the peoples of the earth is a signpost to certain events occurring. Below I am presenting the 12 verses where G:4578 is found 14 times within the NT: -
    1. Matthew 8:24: - 4 And suddenly a great turmoil arose in the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep.
    2. Matthew 24:7: - 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and turmoil in various places.
    3. Matthew 27:54: - 54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the turmoil and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
    4. Matthew 28:2: - 2 And behold, there was great turmoil; because an angel of the Lord had descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.
    5. Mark 13:8: - 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be turmoil in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.
    6. Luke 21:11: - 11 And there will be great turmoil in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
    7. Acts 16:26: - 26 Suddenly there was great turmoil, because the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone's chains were loosed.
    8. Revelation 6:12: - 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and, there was great turmoil; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
    9. Revelation 8:5: - 5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and turmoil.
    10. Revelation 11:13: - 13 In the same hour there was a great turmoil, and a tenth of the city fell. During the turmoil seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
    11. Revelation 11:19: - 19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, turmoil, and great hail.
    12. Revelation 16:18: - 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was great turmoil, such a mighty and great turmoil as had not occurred since men were on the earth.
    What I am saying is that G:4578 is better understood to have the meaning of "turnoil" rather than the meaning of "earthquake".

    If we are looking for earthquakes as a sign of the impending end of the earth, then we are looking for the wrong sign. The five verses above found in the Book of Revelation occurs within a short period of time, possibly within a 20-30 period of time after the bottomless pit is unlocked and Satan and his demons are unleased for a little while period.

    War/fighting occurring is a sign of the turmoil occurring because during a war or fighting the sun darkens and the moon becomes like blood.

    Shalom
     
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    I would be interested if you would provide more information to justify the above claim.

    I tend to hold that the Lesson of the fig tree provides the necessary information to indicate the likely period of time in which we can expect the end of this present time.
     
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    I believe Jesus is bearing the wrath of the father on the cross
     
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    Then the vail is torn reconcileing man to God.
     
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    It’s already happened. This is the revealing of Jesus
     
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    Jesus baptizes with fire.
     
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    Revelation is future.
     
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    I agree, he’s yet to reveal himself to some.
     
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    1. Revelation 11:19: - 19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, turmoil, and great hail.
    This has already happened
     
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    He has been revealed to everyone but not everyone accepts.

    All the events of revelation, minus the churches, are future.
     
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