Spotting the Heretic

[BloodBought 1953]

It will not be in their new nature to do so

Of course.....It is impossible for the “ New Man” to sin.....The problem is with the “ OLD Man”...... “ Not subject to the Law Of God and neither ,Indeed, Can Be....”
This is the Spiritual Warfare that Believers undergo. That Warfare that the Book Of Ephesians warns about and informs us how to Arm ourselves against . We do not battle against a Flesh and Blood....
Yes, the New Nature will never sin— it is impossible...... I believe that it is a mistake to pretend that the Old , Sinful , Adamic Nature That Sins and loves to sin is not still inside you.....Given Enough time, and if we quit trying to do it ourselves , and “ let go and let God” do His Miraculous Work Of Transforming us from the “inside out” , the New Man will win the War.....

 

[marks]

Only if the believer's free will allows it. A believer's free will can override any grace he receives. God allows the devil to tempt believers, in order that their hearts and faith be tested. That is why no one is eternally saved as soon as they first believe. Our lives on earth is a test and that test doesn't end until we die. When the test of life is over, we are judged by Christ and only then do we know we have either passed or failed the test.

You had asked for explanation of the different between you and I, this is a good starting point.

I believe that when we come to trust in Jesus, having believed the Gospel message, that God justifies us, which is done by putting us in Christ when He died and rose again, so that we've died and risen with Him. And in so doing, God brings a new person out of the grave, a person who was born from God, so now we are His children, but living in the flesh bodies that were born to Adam's humanity.

And life now is learning to live that new man, the child of God, and stop living like that old man, the sinner.

We are justified from sin, that is, forever forgiven, and forever separated from it. And since our justification is based on Jesus' obedience and not mine, it cannot be added to, cannot be reduced by me. I've trusted in Jesus, and now I have a new life in Him, and nothing will ever separate me from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus the Lord.

We have passed from death into life. We have been transfered from the kingdom of darkness into Jesus' kingdom.

1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Of course.....It is impossible for the “ New Man” to sin.....The problem is with the “ OLD Man”...... “ Not subject to the Law Of God and neither ,Indeed, Can Be....”
This is the Spiritual Warfare that Believers undergo. That Warfare that the Book Of Ephesians warns about and informs us how to Arm ourselves against . We do not battle against a Flesh and Blood....
Yes, the New Nature will never sin— it is impossible...... I believe that it is a mistake to pretend that the Old , Sinful , Adamic Nature That Sins and loves to sin is not still inside you.....Given Enough time, and if we quit trying to do it ourselves , and “ let go and let God” do His Miraculous Work Of Transforming us from the “inside out” , the New Man will win the War.....

A Spirit-filled Christian would have to grieve or quench the Spirit to ever see the old man again. It is possible to not do that.

2 Peter 1:
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Only those who stop growing would be susceptible to grieving and quenching the Spirit. In other words (IOW) we need to stay in the Spirit.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

When someone teaches that a born again believer may commit sins of fornication and the like, but all that will happen is that they will just receive consequences in this life, but will still go to heaven, there is something wrong with their idea of what it means to be born again. Someone who is truly born again will not be fornicating in the first place. It will not be in their new nature to do so.

Fornication is no different from Adultery or any other sin......as Jesus taught , if you WANT to do something sinful, you are just as guilty as the one who goes ahead and does it.This is in no way an Endorsement to act out one’s sinful desires —A Hater is as guilty as a murderer in the eyes of God,but if the Hater hates somebody and leaves it at that , he does not have to worry about going to prison for Life....

I believe that you are essentially saying “ Jesus Saves, But to STAY Saved, your Performance is what matters....you will not get into Heaven by Grace and Faith in the Blood Of Jesus “ Alone”. You must achieve a certain Standard. ( btw, that Standard , If one chooses to go the Behavior/Performance Route is PERFECTION.24/7. ) That is exactly what Paul would call a “ False Gospel”. Believing an “ added to” Gospel is bad enough— it will cause one to “ Fall From Grace. PREACHING “Perverted Gospels” That Add any type of Human Merit to the Gospel Of Pure Grace Of Gid will get you “ Accursed”....damned forever.You need to study Galations.For your OWN benefit
Two 100% equal , Born Again , Saved Believers Live their lives.....equal lives, except one Believer fornicated.Many Times Perhaps .Some Saints are weak.....some give into their Old Natures.Does this get them damned ? No way.Grace has it covered . Sorry to be the Bearer Of Bad News, But Where Sin abounds , Grace does all the more abound”.Once again, I am sorry.
The Fornicator , you will be overjoyed to hear , is like any other Saved Believer, He has the Freedom to Sin, but WOE to any Fool that thinks a Believer can Sin and “ get away with it”. This Sinning Christian ( ring a bell? ) has opened himself up to “ Grieving the Holy Spirit” and He will receive a Punishment from God, a loss of assurance, a loss of Joy or he may suffer a loss of Rewards or he may be one of those that are very worried on Judgement Day.
Fornication is like any other Sin.....” There is Pleasure in Sin— for a Season” If one stands back and looks at all the negative consequences that can arise from yielding to the Old Nature , a wise man will see that the Believer who refrained from Fornication made the better choice . Both Believers are Saved — Faith in the Gospel Plus Nothing got them that—One Just has more “ bruises” on his rear end than the other . The choice is always ours . God so valued Freedom that he He allowed for the possibility of Sin in this World . Believers as well as Unbelievers take advantage of their freedom from time to time.They DO Sin.God paid the price for these sins. That is Grace. That is Love.Understanding that Grace and Love are the True Engines That God uses to bring about obedience is the best way to change the Fornicator . God is in the business of changing the “ wants” Of His Children.It all starts with having the Faith to REST in the Gospel Of Pure Grace.....Pray for that Faith...God Bless ...

 

[CharismaticLady]

Fornication is no different from Adultery or any other sin......as Jesus taught , if you WANT to do something sinful, you are just as guilty as the one who goes ahead and does it.This is in no way an Endorsement to act out one’s sinful desires —A Hater is as guilty as a murderer in the eyes of God,but if the Hater hates somebody and leaves it at that , he does not have to worry about going to prison for Life....

I believe that you are essentially saying “ Jesus Saves, But to STAY Saved, your Performance is what matters....you will not get into Heaven by Grace and Faith in the Blood Of Jesus “ Alone”. You must achieve a certain Standard. ( btw, that Standard , If one chooses to go the Behavior/Performance Route is PERFECTION.24/7. ) That is exactly what Paul would call a “ False Gospel”. Believing an “ added to” Gospel is bad enough— it will cause one to “ Fall From Grace. PREACHING “Perverted Gospels” That Add any type of Human Merit to the Gospel Of Pure Grace Of Gid will get you “ Accursed”....damned forever.You need to study Galations.For your OWN benefit
Two 100% equal , Born Again , Saved Believers Live their lives.....equal lives, except one Believer fornicated.Many Times Perhaps .Some Saints are weak.....some give into their Old Natures.Does this get them damned ? No way.Grace has it covered . Sorry to be the Bearer Of Bad News, But Where Sin abounds , Grace does all the more abound”.Once again, I am sorry.
The Fornicator , you will be overjoyed to hear , is like any other Saved Believer, He has the Freedom to Sin, but WOE to any Fool that thinks a Believer can Sin and “ get away with it”. This Sinning Christian ( ring a bell? ) has opened himself up to “ Grieving the Holy Spirit” and He will receive a Punishment from God, a loss of assurance, a loss of Joy or he may suffer a loss of Rewards or he may be one of those that are very worried on Judgement Day.
Fornication is like any other Sin.....” There is Pleasure in Sin— for a Season” If one stands back and looks at all the negative consequences that can arise from yielding to the Old Nature , a wise man will see that the Believer who refrained from Fornication made the better choice . Both Believers are Saved — Faith in the Gospel Plus Nothing got them that—One Just has more “ bruises” on his rear end than the other . The choice is always ours . God so valued Freedom that he He allowed for the possibility of Sin in this World . Believers as well as Unbelievers take advantage of their freedom from time to time.They DO Sin.God paid the price for these sins. That is Grace. That is Love.Understanding that Grace and Love are the True Engines That God uses to bring about obedience is the best way to change the Fornicator . God is in the business of changing the “ wants” Of His Children.It all starts with having the Faith to REST in the Gospel Of Pure Grace.....Pray for that Faith...God Bless ...

Paul did not preach that you will still sin and commit fornication, adultery or any other sin, so I'm afraid you don't know the true meaning of Grace. It is not a license to sin. No, it is the power of God to partake of the divine nature that doesn't commit present and future sins. (Your past sins were taken away when you were first baptized in the Spirit at the new birth.)

2 Peter 1:2-9

 

[justbyfaith]

First of all, @Blood Bought 1953, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 tells us that fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God.

If a believer fornicates, he or she would definitely need to confess of that sin and repent (so that they are no longer a fornicator) in order to enter heaven.

As for the rest:

Only if the believer's free will allows it. A believer's free will can override any grace he receives. God allows the devil to tempt believers, in order that their hearts and faith be tested. That is why no one is eternally saved as soon as they first believe. Our lives on earth is a test and that test doesn't end until we die. When the test of life is over, we are judged by Christ and only then do we know we have either passed or failed the test.

Of course, when I speak of grace I am speaking of grace to be born again. The one who is born again has a new nature.

Also, if someone believes with genuine faith, that faith will stand when tested. So, in John 5:24 it is clear that we pass from death unto everlasting life from the moment that we first "hear His word and believe on Him who sent Him". (I prefer the kjv of that verse because it says "shall not come into condemnation" rather than "shall not come into judgment"...and it is clear in 2 Corinthians 5:10 and 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 that believers will be judged; though not condemned. They will be judged at the "bema seat" where there will be reward and loss of reward; but salvation itself is absolute and secure.)

The Lord can chasten his children all he likes, it doesn't mean the child will repent of his evil. To chasten doesn't mean to turn someone into a robot that doesn't sin.

Read Hebrews 12:5-11. God's chastening produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness in those who are trained by it.

You're hopeless. All one has to do is read the preceeding verses to Rev 3:4 to see that you are talking nonsense. Jesus is clearly referring to their "WORKS". It is their works done in faith that make them worthy of salvation.
When Jesus says "I know your works", believe it or not, he is really referring to their works. not their faith.

See also Rev 3:15-19 and 22:13.

Yes, Jesus sees our works; however, our works are not what make us worthy. What makes us worthy is the process of sanctification; which is by faith (Acts of the Apostles 26:18) and the word of His grace (Acts of the Apostles 20:32). Works are the result of having been made worthy; the works don't make us worthy. We become worthy through faith in Jesus Christ: He regenerates us and renews us in the Holy Ghost so that we become inclined towards doing good works. Again, it is not the works that save us; but the transformation saves us: and a part of salvation is the inclination to do what is right because we have been transformed on the inside. Works are completely separate; for they do not save a man.

So then, if you are striving to save yourself through obeying the Lord, you have missed the boat. The only thing that will save you is if you believe that He died for your sins according to the scriptures, was buried, and rose again the third day according to scriptures; if you keep this in memory: unless you have believed in vain (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). You must also receive Jesus Christ into your heart (John 1:12, Colossians 1:27, Revelation 3:20) if you want the power to become a child of God. Then, you must realize that those who walk in the Spirit are the true children of the Lord (Romans 8:14); so walk accordingly. Live out the life that was given to you when you were born again.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

A Spirit-filled Christian would have to grieve or quench the Spirit to ever see the old man again. It is possible to not do that.

2 Peter 1:
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Only those who stop growing would be susceptible to grieving and quenching the Spirit. In other words (IOW) we need to stay in the Spirit.

Heb 12:1.....That Old “ Adamic Nature” That Sins and Loves to sin will be with us as long as we are in these Earthen Vessels.....Why else would Paul talk about “ the Sin That so easily besets us?”
Given time, appearances by the Old Man should decrease and as God changes “ The inside of the Cup”.....The New Man will dominate our lives more and more.....the more we rest in the Gospel Of Grace , The more God will work in our lives, and “ Finish the Job He Started”.....

 

[CharismaticLady]

Heb 12:1.....That Old “ Adamic Nature” That Sins and Loves to sin will be with us as long as we are in these Earthen Vessels.....Why else would Paul talk about “ the Sin That so easily besets us?”
Given time, appearances by the Old Man should decrease and as God changes “ The inside of the Cup”.....The New Man will dominate our lives more and more.....the more we rest in the Gospel Of Grace , The more God will work in our lives, and “ Finish the Job He Started”.....

The old man is the carnal nature called the "flesh." Are we in or out of that nature? Romans 8:9

Paul doesn't want us to confuse our nature with our body of flesh. But because he specifies that our body must die in the next verse, there are many like yourself that believes we will always have to deal with sin as long as we are in these bodies. Wrong. Romans 8:2 The law of the Spirit has freed me from the law of SIN and death. Romans 6:2 We are dead to sin. 1 John 3:5 Jesus was manifest to take away our sin and in Him there is no sin. Romans 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. 1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

First of all, @Blood Bought 1953, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 tells us that fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God.

This is taken out of context ....back up one verse.....Paul is telling the “ Righteous” Believers about the Behaviors Of The ”Unrighteous” NON Believers.....The Forgiven Believers were previously no different from the ones who lived lives of Disobedience.....what is the difference ? They now have Faith in Jesus which gets them the “ imputed” Righteousness Of Christ .Later in the chapter , Paul reminds these Born-Again Believers that they have the Indwelling Holy Spirit in them- THAT is the difference that Counts to “ inherit the Kingdom Of God.” Being “ washed”..... being “sanctified”...... being “ justified” by their Faith in Jesus made them “Fit for the Kingdom”.......Fornicators don’t get saved by giving up their Fornication, they get saved by Trusting the Gospel ALONE for their Salvation.....That gets them the Holy Spirit and that Spirit Transforms them into New Creations with New “ wants”...... they no longer Want to Fornicate, Steal, etc.....
Believers can and do Sin everyday they are alive and their Sins are covered by Grace . The unsaved Unbelievers That Paul is describing to his followers ( who used to be just like them) never were imputed with the Righteousness Of Christ and because they were NOT indwelt with the Holy Spirit——- they were “ NONE OF HIS”...... Sinful lives were a Natural off-shoot Of Those That had no Faith in Jesus Christ ......The Lack of Faith kept them in their sinful lifestyles.....That same Lack Of Faith was Why they could not inherit the Kingdom....
The Fifth Chapter Of Galatians is practically identical .....for those who think these verses show that Believers have to conquer Sin or can never have a problem with any of the mentioned sins, lest they never make it to the Kingdom Of Heaven , the very next Chapter reveals how we Believers are to help their Brothers when they are Overcome by Temptations and give in to Sin. Pauls List Of Sins covers just about everything so We can be sure that Believers that fell into Sin we’re doing the very things Paul warned about......as Christians we “ LIVE In THE SPIRIT .......and we Do If we have the Holy Spirit In us......but by being told that we must be kind and come to the aid to a backsliding , sinful Brother That shows we will not be declared “ unfit for the Kingdom” because we succumb to one of the Sins on Paul’s List. Nobody emphasizes more than Paul that we are saved by putting ALL of our Faith in His Gospel Of Grace . It’s “Nothing But The Blood” for Salvation. Rest in the Gospel , get God's Spirit in you and in time, the Sin Nature that still indwells the Believer will be defeated and the Sins listed by Paul just kinda fall by the wayside...... God bless....

 

[justbyfaith]

This is taken out of context ....back up one verse.....Paul is telling the “ Righteous” Believers about the Behaviors Of The ”Unrighteous” NON Believers.....The Forgiven Believers were previously no different from the ones who lived lives of Disobedience.....what is the difference ? They now have Faith in Jesus which gets them the “ imputed” Righteousness Of Christ .Later in the chapter , Paul reminds these Born-Again Believers that they have the Indwelling Holy Spirit in them- THAT is the difference that Counts to “ inherit the Kingdom Of God.” Being “ washed”..... being “sanctified”...... being “ justified” by their Faith in Jesus made them “Fit for the Kingdom”.......Fornicators don’t get saved by giving up their Fornication, they get saved by Trusting the Gospel ALONE for their Salvation.....That gets them the Holy Spirit and that Spirit Transforms them into New Creations with New “ wants”...... they no longer Want to Fornicate, Steal, etc.....
Believers can and do Sin everyday they are alive and their Sins are covered by Grace . The unsaved Unbelievers That Paul is describing to his followers ( who used to be just like them) never were imputed with the Righteousness Of Christ and because they were NOT indwelt with the Holy Spirit——- they were “ NONE OF HIS”...... Sinful lives were a Natural off-shoot Of Those That had no Faith in Jesus Christ ......The Lack of Faith kept them in their sinful lifestyles.....That same Lack Of Faith was Why they could not inherit the Kingdom....
The Fifth Chapter Of Galatians is practically identical .....for those who think these verses show that Believers have to conquer Sin or can never have a problem with any of the mentioned sins, lest they never make it to the Kingdom Of Heaven , the very next Chapter reveals how we Believers are to help their Brothers when they are Overcome by Temptations and give in to Sin. Pauls List Of Sins covers just about everything so We can be sure that Believers that fell into Sin we’re doing the very things Paul warned about......as Christians we “ LIVE In THE SPIRIT .......and we Do If we have the Holy Spirit In us......but by being told that we must be kind and come to the aid to a backsliding , sinful Brother That shows we will not be declared “ unfit for the Kingdom” because we succumb to one of the Sins on Paul’s List. Nobody emphasizes more than Paul that we are saved by putting ALL of our Faith in His Gospel Of Grace . It’s “Nothing But The Blood” for Salvation. Rest in the Gospel , get God's Spirit in you and in time, the Sin Nature that still indwells the Believer will be defeated and the Sins listed by Paul just kinda fall by the wayside...... God bless....

It remains that those fornicators who will inherit the kingdom of God are "fornicators no more..."

Whether this came about through repenting of fornication as a prelude to placing faith in Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross or whether the fornicator ceases to be one because he is forgiven much and therefore loves much...and therefore does not sin like he used to because now he is walking in the love of the Lord...the result is the same.

The person is no longer a fornicator. "And such were some of you; but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God..."

If someone continues to be a fornicator to the day of one's death...i.e. their identity is that they are a fornicator because they continue to fornicate and never stopped fornicating...well, they will not inherit the kingdom of God. I believe that the scripture is clear on this matter.

The same goes for effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, adulterers, idolaters, revilers, extortioners, covetous, etc... If that continues to be their identity because they never stopped doing those things...they will not inherit the kingdom.

The reality is that if anyone is born again and in Christ, they are a new creature...old things have passed away...behold, all things have become new! (2 Corinthians 5:17).

There is a transformation of character that takes place when a person truly places their trust in the Cross and Christ's shed blood to save them...The blood of Jesus not only justifies (Romans 5:9), but it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 1:7).

Can it do one when it is applied without also doing the other?

 

[RogerDC]

You are not seeing the nature of God being Saviour. In God being Saviour, it is that He might save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21).

You need to consider what Mary was saved from, in that the Lord was her Saviour.

Poor argument. God DID save Mary from sin - if Mary had not been immaculately conceived, she would have been born with the stain of original sin, just like the rest of us; and then later she would have sinned consciously, just as all other humans sin consciously.
It was God who allowed her to be immaculately conceived, so it was God who saved her from sin and it’s deadly consequences - thus, God was her Saviour.

 

[justbyfaith]

Poor argument. God DID save Mary from sin - if Mary had not been immaculately conceived, she would have been born with the stain of original sin, just like the rest of us; and then later she would have sinned consciously, just as all other humans sin consciously.
It was God who allowed her to be immaculately conceived, so it was God who saved her from sin and it’s deadly consequences - thus, God was her Saviour.

So, was her mother before her also immaculately conceived?

How is it that sin was not passed down to Mary from the original sin of Adam?

I can see how Jesus can be immaculately conceived...because His Father is God the Father...and sin and the blood DNA is passed down through the father. Since Jesus did not have a human father, sin was not passed down to Him.

That Mary was conceived immaculately is false doctrine.

 

[RogerDC]

Actually, it's not nonsense. It's committing yourself to the keeping power of God. He is Who sanctifies you. You don't do that. He does that. So instead of trying to do that yourself, allow Him to do it.

You say, you must use your free will to decide against sinning and not sinning. I say that if you are at that point, you are already stepping away from faith into self-effort, and already on the path to failure.

Quit the Bible-babble and try to think logically instead. To overcome the temptation we must use "self effort", which is using our free will to say "No" to sin. Grace empowers us to overcome temptation more easily, but we still use our free will when we say “No”. Without using our free will (“self effort”), we cannot obey God’s commandments.

When we are focused on God there is no question of whether we will sin or not, of course we will not sin!

All believers are tempted to sin and all believers give in to sin at some point (1John 1:8, 10). I sin. You sin. We all sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

1 John 1:8 declares that we all have indwelling sin.

But that indwelling sin does not have to rule over me (Romans 6:14); because it can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:25, Romans 7:8, Romans 8:12-13).

Those who are abiding in Christ "sin not" (1 John 3:6). And those who are born of God "do not" and "cannot" commit sin (1 John 3:9).

This necessitates seeking the Lord (see Deuteronomy 4:29, Jeremiah 29:13).

We must not interpret the scriptures based on our experience; but it is necessary that we interpret our experience based on what the scriptures teach. If I say, "I commit sin, and I want to believe that I am saved; therefore, the Bible cannot teach that the saved do not sin," then I will miss the clear and plain teaching of holy scripture when I come across it. But if I say, "The Bible teaches that the born of God cannot sin; but I sin: therefore I must not be born of God,"

I will then seek the Lord for what I do not yet have.

As the song says, "What's going on inside of me? I despise my own behaviour. This only serves to confirm my suspicion that I'm still a man in need of a Saviour."

Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Paul did not preach that you will still sin and commit fornication, adultery or any other sin, so I'm afraid you don't know the true meaning of Grace. It is not a license to sin. No, it is the power of God to partake of the divine nature that doesn't commit present and future sins. (Your past sins were taken away when you were first baptized in the Spirit at the new birth.)

2 Peter 1:2-9

Of course Grace does not give us a “ license to sin”, but there are Foolish Believers out there that think they will give it a Whirl ......and God knows how to give them an “ Attitude Adjustment”.
“ Grace” is just God’s Love and Mercy in Action......It is the Love That takes Dead , Rebellious Enemies and forgives ALL of their Sins “ for Jesus Sake”, and He does this because it gives HIM Pleasure to give “ Us” Pleasure.
Jesus died for ALL of our sins......not just Past ones. THAT would not do an ounce of good for Anybody....That is because you and I and everybody alive today is Sinning every hour of every day ! Disagree? How's your “ thought life?” Had Any impure thoughts lately? God declares if you have a lustful thought you are no better than an Adulterer—— how ya doin’ with that one? James said if you break just ONE Commandment , you have broken them all! Would you care to discuss the dreaded “ Sins Of Omission” That Legalist never want to talk about? How many strangers have you invited into your homes to feed and clothe today? Wouldn’t that be a good thing to do? If you Know Of something “ good” to do and don’t “ do” it.....you are Sinning....
Everywhere we turn to try to Justify ourselves as to being “ Fit For Heaven” by our performances , we just run into a Dead End.....we just can’t Make ourselves “ Worthy” Of Eternal Life. God has you and I Trapped like Rats! The only thing left for us to do is finally come to “and end of ourselves” ( btw...That was the purpose of the Law ) , swallow our Pride and thank God for His Gospel Of Grace found in 1Cor15:1-4, that Will SAVE All that will Rest in it and it ALONE for their Salvation....
Colossians 2:13.....” You were Dead in Sins and God made you Alive with Christ—- He Forgave us ALL of our Sins”
When you finally give up on performance for your Salvation, your Performance will actually improve—- Christianity is funny like that.Full Of Irony Regardless , use God’s Formula if you want to get Saved....Put your Faith in HIS Performance! HIS Gospel ! Christ’s Blood and your Faith in that Blood—- Plus NOTHING.Don’t Find out when it’s too late that the Old sing had it right all along. It really is , “ NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD.” Salvation is a GIFT......we don’t EARN it.....we ACCEPT it! “ THAT” is what Grace is. The UNMERITED Favor Of God.......
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[justbyfaith]

Of course Grace does not give us a “ license to sin”, but there are Foolish Believers out there that think they will give it a Whirl ......and God knows how to give them an “ Attitude Adjustment”.
“ Grace” is just God’s Love and Mercy in Action......It is the Love That takes Dead , Rebellious Enemies and forgives ALL of their Sins “ for Jesus Sake”, and He does this because it gives HIM Pleasure to give “ Us” Pleasure.
Jesus died for ALL of our sins......not just Past ones. THAT would not do an ounce of good for Anybody....That is because you and I and everybody alive today is Sinning every hour of every day ! Disagree? How's your “ thought life?” Had Any impure thoughts lately? God declares if you have a lustful thought you are no better than an Adulterer—— how ya doin’ with that one? James said if you break just ONE Commandment , you have broken them all! Would you care to discuss the dreaded “ Sins Of Omission” That Legalist never want to talk about? How many strangers have you invited into your homes to feed and clothe today? Wouldn’t that be a good thing to do? If you Know Of something “ good” to do and don’t “ do” it.....you are Sinning....
Everywhere we turn to try to Justify ourselves as to being “ Fit For Heaven” by our performances , we just run into a Dead End.....we just can’t Make ourselves “ Worthy” Of Eternal Life. God has you and I Trapped like Rats! The only thing left for us to do is finally come to “and end of ourselves” ( btw...That was the purpose of the Law ) , swallow our Pride and thank God for His Gospel Of Grace found in 1Cor15:1-4, that Will SAVE All that will Rest in it and it ALONE for their Salvation....
Colossians 2:13.....” You were Dead in Sins and God made you Alive with Christ—- He Forgave us ALL of our Sins”
When you finally give up on performance for your Salvation, your Performance will actually improve—- Christianity is funny like that.Full Of Irony Regardless , use God’s Formula if you want to get Saved....Put your Faith in HIS Performance! HIS Gospel ! Christ’s Blood and your Faith in that Blood—- Plus NOTHING.Don’t Find out when it’s too late that the Old sing had it right all along. It really is , “ NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD.” Salvation is a GIFT......we don’t EARN it.....we ACCEPT it! “ THAT” is what Grace is. The UNMERITED Favor Of God.......
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Once a man is forgiven through the shed blood of Christ, he is free to walk in and be led of the Holy Spirit.

At this point, he is no longer condemned by his failures; but when the Holy Spirit leads him to do something that is according to His will, he can do that thing. And if he doesn't, he remains forgiven.

But more and more, he finds that when given the opportunity to do what is right, he does it; because in that he is not obligated by the commandment but is rather motivated by love to keep it, he ends up obeying the Lord more and more because it is not a matter of "have to" but of "want to" in his life...

Thus the righteousness of the law is fulfillable in him.... because he finds that he is indeed obedient for that he is not obligated to do what is right but rather is motivated by love to do it.

The love of the Lord is shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5) and he walks according to love....against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).

So he is uncondemnable on two levels...on the one hand, he is forgiven of past, present and future sins through Christ's shed blood; and on the other, he is now an obedient child of God because he has been given the love of God and walks according to it...having been forgiven much, he loves much (Luke 7:36-50); and this love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within him. And since sin is the transgression of the law (Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4), fulfilling the righteousness of the law means that he "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)....as long as he abides in Christ he "sinneth not" (1 John 3:6); for sin is also no longer imputed to him (Romans 4:8, Romans 4:15, Romans 5:13) for that he is not under the law, is dead to the law, and is delivered from the law (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6; Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19).

He "sinneth not" on two levels, therefore:

1) sin is not imputed to him; and,

2) he doesn't sin in the practical sense for the most part.

 

[Jay Ross]

The heretic is someone who is hyper critical of everybody else except himself because he believes that he can do no wrong in his eyes.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Of course.....It is impossible for the “ New Man” to sin.....The problem is with the “ OLD Man”...... “ Not subject to the Law Of God and neither ,Indeed, Can Be....”
This is the Spiritual Warfare that Believers undergo. That Warfare that the Book Of Ephesians warns about and informs us how to Arm ourselves against . We do not battle against a Flesh and Blood....
Yes, the New Nature will never sin— it is impossible...... I believe that it is a mistake to pretend that the Old , Sinful , Adamic Nature That Sins and loves to sin is not still inside you.....Given Enough time, and if we quit trying to do it ourselves , and “ let go and let God” do His Miraculous Work Of Transforming us from the “inside out” , the New Man will win the War.....

When you war against these thoughts, who is doing to battling. You or the Spirit?

 

[CharismaticLady]

He has the Freedom to Sin

How is this teaching any different than Jude's warning against the teaching of License to Sin.

I do agree that a young Christian will act out sins of lawlessness, but are still not aware they are sinning as in Philippians 3:16 as their Spirit-filled conscience teaches in spurts - not all knowledge at once it seems. But they will act righteously according to the light they have. Now the young Christian must grow out of that immature stage of committing sins of lawlessness, as they are sins unto death. If they don't, Jesus will say, "I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23. So according to 2 Peter 1:2-11, it is important to grow to have full assurance.

Willfully sinning knowingly a true Christian will not do. Their conscience will stop them from indulging. Everyone has a conscience, but a Spirit-filled conscience is SUPER-SENSITIVE and it is impossible to act against.

One thing, according to your beliefs you've already stated, lets me believe you believe "sin is sin." You need advanced training to know the difference in sins unto death, and sins NOT unto death.

For instance, 1 John 3 is about sins of lawlessness, vs. 4. Those are sins unto death.

But trespasses are sins not unto death that we do commit, but they are cleansed automatically, AS LONG AS we forgive others their trespasses against us. Matthew 6:14-15

So, really, the only thing a true Christian needs to always be aware of is keeping forgiveness of others constantly in check before retiring for the night. Hold no unforgiveness in your heart toward your brethren.

 

[Behold]

Well the admins and mods are constantly on top of things...if something is posted and not reported then it may not be seen by mods....have you ever tried to read every thread on every forum to monitor the responses in them....not possible there aren't enough mods to do that...so the members must report what they consider breaking forum rules.

You say you (mods) here are constantly on top of things, IF you see the offense.
Yes i agree.