First thanks for the reply. second, since you're going to insist on a trinity UNDERSTANDING, and not a debate. sure. what you're failing to understand in the scriptures is that Jesus is a "Diversity" of himself shared in flesh. now lets give you the understanding. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". get your hebrew out and you will see that Aleph and the Tav there for God, as H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym, which is his plurality, which is to come. this plurality didn't come untill he came in flesh. let us prove this out.Why would I not say that?
Here it is in clearness.
Let's follow the Scripture . . .
Revelation 1:4-6 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood”.
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We read what it says, and it says, there are three that send this, the One who is, and who was, and is coming; the Seven Spirits which are before His throne (am I in front of me?); and from Jesus Christ,
I post the Greek above so you can see the conjunctions,
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You State . . .
This letter is from one person, the Lord Jesus, who is the Almighty. Who holds the Title God. Here is where the other Persons who suppose to be in the Godhead is vetted by scripture or not. Lets follow the bible, not our beliefs.
In Revelation 1:1 it states who sent the Letter. only one person sent his angel to John, but John is saying that the letter is from…. “him”, one person. And he identifies who this one person is,
But the Bible says, God gave this Revelation to Jesus, for Him to show to His servants. So let's follow the Bible.
In trying make these the same person, you negate the meaning of the verse. Where it says, ". . . which God gave Him . . .", you make that into, ". . . which God gave Himself . . ."
And later when it says
"from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ,", well, consider a moment,
"and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne"
Your assertion is this should be understood as, "and from me, who is before me". Do you see how this runs contrary to the way it's written?
What exactly does it mean to add to the Words of this Book?
You wrote:
Evidence #1. Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead”. We know that this is the Lord Jesus who is addressing the church in Sardis, and he, the “Lord” Jesus said that he has the “Seven Spirits”.
The words given are not, "he that IS the seven Spirits of God", it actually reads, "He that HAS the seven Spirits of God"
Yes, let's follow what the Bible says.
Much love!
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". here God said, let "US", and "OUR", right. but is this true here in Genesis 1? no and here's why. the very next verse states this, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".
ok Marks, how did God go from "US" and "OUR" in verse 26 to "HIS" and "HE" which are single designations? what happen to the plurality in verse 26? it's not there, and here's why. his "diverse" state of "diversity"/plurality have not yet come. listen, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". see his OWN image/figure had not yet "Manifested" in flesh and blood.
and we can back this single designation up by the one who created the man who said "US" and "OUR" at genesis 1:26 & 26. listen, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female" the "he" here is God, for mark recorded the same conversation. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female". so the "he" in matthews is "GOD" in mark who is the same "GOD" that made them Male and female. NOW IF YOU CANNOT TAKE THE LORD JESUS WORDS WHO CANNOT LIE, THEN WHO WORDS CAN YOU TRUST?. you answer that for yourself. see the lord Jesus is in a diverse state as "Father" OT, and as "Son" shared in flesh NT. see how easy it is just to follow the bible.
so can we now get back to the Book of revelation?
hoped that helped,
PICJAG.