The Rapture: Too Good to Be True?

[Davy]

You started out this post with an error. John 5:28-29 does not say "day". It says "hour". That hour came on the Cross. That hour has been ongoing for 1992 years. That hour will not be over until death itself is defeated. Then there will be no more people to call out of death.

No, you are not rightly dividing God's Word in John 5. The following verse is what you are talking about...

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV

THAT... was about the time of Lord Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, when at His resurrection He went and preached The Gospel to the "spirits in prison" per 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

Those who believed on Jesus among those in the heavenly prison, Jesus led out of that heavenly prison house. That was actually a prophecy per Isaiah 42:7 for Jesus' 1st coming.

Here is the John 5 Scripture I am referring to about the day of Christ's future coming...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

How do we know that above John 5:28-29 Scripture is for the day of Christ's future return? Easy... because that is the day of the resurrection according to Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4, and 1 Corinthians 15. The event when 'some' of the saints came out of their graves at Christ's crucifixion was NOT the resurrection to occur on the day of Christ's future return.

 

[Timtofly]

No, you are not rightly dividing God's Word in John 5. The following verse is what you are talking about...

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV

THAT... was about the time of Lord Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, when at His resurrection He went and preached The Gospel to the "spirits in prison" per 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

Those who believed on Jesus among those in the heavenly prison, Jesus led out of that heavenly prison house. That was actually a prophecy per Isaiah 42:7 for Jesus' 1st coming.

Here is the John 5 Scripture I am referring to about the day of Christ's future coming...

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

How do we know that above John 5:28-29 Scripture is for the day of Christ's future return? Easy... because that is the day of the resurrection according to Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4, and 1 Corinthians 15. The event when 'some' of the saints came out of their graves at Christ's crucifixion was NOT the resurrection to occur on the day of Christ's future return.

The same hour, not two different last hours.

 

[Davy]

The same hour, not two different last hours.

You can't be serious. You mean you're going to try and do a gnat strain on the word 'hour'? rejecting that Jesus' future return is on a certain day?

 

[Timtofly]

You can't be serious. You mean you're going to try and do a gnat strain on the word 'hour'? rejecting that Jesus' future return is on a certain day?

Jesus calling people out of the grave is not tied just to the Second Coming. You seem to be the serious one straining at your gnat. Jesus said the hour is coming and already is. The NT church does not even taste death, they do not wait in graves. Those in sheol will never be called out at the same time as those in Christ.

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

How can you claim straight faced evey one is called out in one single hour? My hour is pretty flexible, and ongoing as Christ claimed. You are the one trying to be "exact".

 

[ewq1938]

The NT church does not even taste death, they do not wait in graves.

The every church member of the past has died and saved Christians die every single day, all day long.

 

[Timtofly]

The every church member of the past has died and saved Christians die every single day, all day long.

At that point they have entered life, not death. Adam's flesh is death. Leaving Adam's flesh is entering life. The changing of the soul from this temporal body to God's permanent incorruptible body is the resurrection. It has been ongoing since the Cross. Those physical bodies are currently enjoying Paradise. Why would those at the Cross enjoy Paradise, but not those since? Where would these souls wait, back in Abraham's bosom, while those in Abraham's bosom got to enter Paradise? Once the Cross opened Paradise, it was available to all, not just those from the OT.

 

[ewq1938]

At that point they have entered life, not death.

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

No, they are called the dead in Christ because they died the first death. Every Christ will die the first death except those still alive at the second coming.

 

[Davy]

Jesus calling people out of the grave is not tied just to the Second Coming. You seem to be the serious one straining at your gnat. Jesus said the hour is coming and already is.

You don't study your Bible enough for me to take you seriously.

John 5:28-29 Jesus revealed what happens on the "last trump", or 7th trumpet of Revelation 11. ALL those in the graves come forth, either to the "resurrection of life", or to the "resurrection of damnation". That Scripture is simple. But YOU choose to REJECT IT, thus you REJECT what Lord Jesus said there.

So why should anyone in their right mind even listen to someone like you?