The Rapture: Too Good to Be True?

[Enoch111]

Neither Noah nor Lot were raptured.

Doesn't matter. Enoch was raptured to Heaven and he is the one who prefigures the Rapture of the Church: By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (Heb 11:5) At the same time both Noah and Lot were removed from divine wrath BEFORE it came. And that's the key. Christians are NOT subject to wrath.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Christians are NOT subject to wrath.

I’m sure there is a Christian somewhere in the world in this hour who is suffering wrath/tribulation. Just because Christians in the United States aren’t suffering wrath doesn’t mean it ain’t coming.

Regarding Enoch and Elijah who were taken from the earth; this doesn’t mean that that is the standard for all Christians. These are exceptions.

 

[Davy]

Why is Paradise still in heaven during the 1,000 year reign of Christ? Do you think it remains empty for 1,000 years?

Read the Revelation 22:14-15 verses, and notice where the wicked are at that time. Those verses actually are about the Millennium time. And if the holy city is on earth during Christ's Millennium reign, and those are outside its gates, then that is the future abode of hell during the Millennium, except it's not called hell then. It is called the "outer darkness".

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Is the Rapture a false hope? Experiencing the End Times without the Rapture for the redeemed would be like Noah without a boat, or Lot not getting rescued by the Lord’s angels. This is good news for us!

The Rapture: Too Good to Be True?

The ark today isn't a rapture, the ark today is, the True Church that has Jesus Christ as the foundation and head. Those who will be on earth when Armageddon begins who have recognized and helped the anointed brothers of Jesus Christ who made up the True Church are the ones who will be saved. These who recognized Jesus Christ brothers and helped them and are saved are the sheep.

 

[Timtofly]

Paradise is a place of bliss; a region of supreme felicity or delight.

The new earth will be this way when Christ and his servants will reign over it.

That is not even Scripture. You did not even answer the question. According to Revelation 7:15:

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

That is Paradise. Does the temple service stop in Paradise for 1,000 years, and Paradise sits empty?

 

[Timtofly]

It's the earth that will be empty for a 1000 years. The New Jerusalem comes down to earth at the end of the millennium. After the fire destroys Satan and his angels and the remaining wicked who attempt to take the city, then a new creation will be witnessed by all.

Sorry, not buying that false teaching either. After 1,000 years, Satan does not attack Paradise in heaven. That is not found in Scripture either. He gathers a large number of rebellious humans from across the earth and attacks the beloved city on the earth. Not New Jerusalem either. This is still on this current earth, after the 1,000 years. Those are people who were born, lived, and consumed by fire all on the earth during those 1,000 years. Before heaven and earth pass away.

Neither Noah nor Lot were raptured. They were witnesses to the destruction... Witnesses to the justice and the execution of judgement upon the wicked. As in
KJV Psalms 91:8-11
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

All in Paradise are witnesses to what goes on each day on earth. Hebrews 12:1

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

Paul was talking about all those in faith in Hebrews 11. Since Paul himself is part of that bunch in Paradise as well as millions if not billions since Paul, they are and we will be witnesses from Paradise for the whole time of this trouble never before seen by mankind ever. It is not just physical death in a Flood of water. It is desolation and souls being harvested directly by the angels.

To the lost on the earth it will be a literal invasion of aliens/angels, all the stars come to earth and literally harvesting souls. Why do you think Satan has been running "science fiction" interference for decades to prepare his worshippers for God's actual literal Second Coming?

 

[Timtofly]

Read the Revelation 22:14-15 verses, and notice where the wicked are at that time. Those verses actually are about the Millennium time. And if the holy city is on earth during Christ's Millennium reign, and those are outside its gates, then that is the future abode of hell during the Millennium, except it's not called hell then. It is called the "outer darkness".

The New Jerusalem does not come down until after heaven and earth pass away. Read Revelation 20:11.

 

[Truth7t7]

Only if you blatantly disregard all the words of Christ pertaining to the Rapture. So kindly see what Jesus had to say about this important event. I could quote chapter and verse but it would be better for you to search the Scriptures for the truth. Even the removal of Lot from Sodom prefigures the Rapture. And Lot is deemed "righteous" by God though there were many things he did which were not so righteous.

You can't quote chapter and verse concerning a "Pre-Trib Rapture" because it's found no place in scripture, supported and taught by John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield 1909 reference bible, its a fairy tale fabricated by man

The "Catching Up" takes place at the Lords return in fire and final judgement on the (Last Day) The End

 

[Brakelite]

Doesn't matter. Enoch was raptured to Heaven and he is the one who prefigures the Rapture of the Church: By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (Heb 11:5) At the same time both Noah and Lot were removed from divine wrath BEFORE it came. And that's the key. Christians are NOT subject to wrath.

No-one would suggest otherwise.

 

[Brakelite]

Sorry, not buying that false teaching either. After 1,000 years, Satan does not attack Paradise in heaven. That is not found in Scripture either. He gathers a large number of rebellious humans from across the earth and attacks the beloved city on the earth. Not New Jerusalem either. This is still on this current earth, after the 1,000 years. Those are people who were born, lived, and consumed by fire all on the earth during those 1,000 years. Before heaven and earth pass away.



All in Paradise are witnesses to what goes on each day on earth. Hebrews 12:1

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

Paul was talking about all those in faith in Hebrews 11. Since Paul himself is part of that bunch in Paradise as well as millions if not billions since Paul, they are and we will be witnesses from Paradise for the whole time of this trouble never before seen by mankind ever. It is not just physical death in a Flood of water. It is desolation and souls being harvested directly by the angels.

To the lost on the earth it will be a literal invasion of aliens/angels, all the stars come to earth and literally harvesting souls. Why do you think Satan has been running "science fiction" interference for decades to prepare his worshippers for God's actual literal Second Coming?

I should have known better than to enter into this can of worms. Sorry, I'm not getting in to a discussion on your post when you couldn't understand the midst basic premise on mine.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Only if you blatantly disregard all the words of Christ pertaining to the Rapture. So kindly see what Jesus had to say about this important event. I could quote chapter and verse but it would be better for you to search the Scriptures for the truth. Even the removal of Lot from Sodom prefigures the Rapture. And Lot is deemed "righteous" by God though there were many things he did which were not so righteous.

Personally, I'd like you to quote them so any of us could give a proper interpretation. There's exactly 1 verse that pertains to a rapture like event, but speaks to the first resurrection. Jesus never taught of a miraculous rapture.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That is not even Scripture. You did not even answer the question. According to Revelation 7:15:

"Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

That is Paradise. Does the temple service stop in Paradise for 1,000 years, and Paradise sits empty?

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.” (Revelation 21:22)

In the New Jerusalem, that will come down from heaven, God and Christ are the temple in it.

What’s going on in Paradise before these events is irrelevant.

 

[Timtofly]

I should have known better than to enter into this can of worms. Sorry, I'm not getting in to a discussion on your post when you couldn't understand the midst basic premise on mine.

I am still waiting for any explanation that gives a desolate earth for 1,000 years. Israel, particularly Jerusalem was a desolate piece of earth for around 1,000 years, but that covered the OT prophets concerning Israel's demise. There is no need to repeat utter desolation for that amount of time after the Second Coming and full restoration of Israel. A restoration that indeed began in 1948. But that restoration is for the whole earth, and all nations will be blessed through Israel. Why would God desolate the earth after restoring it? When all that desolation was already an historical fact?

 

[Timtofly]

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.” (Revelation 21:22)

In the New Jerusalem, that will come down from heaven, God and Christ are the temple in it.

What’s going on in Paradise before these events is irrelevant.

The New Jerusalem is still 1,000 years away. Of course what goes on in Paradise and current Jerusalem is relevant for the next 1,000 years.

Do you think Daniel was joking when he said it would be 3500 years after his days on earth? Daniel said it would be for a time, times, and half a time. That always represents 3.5. So far it is only 2.5 since Daniel. We still have a full time left.

How can you be living in the NHNE already, thinking the next 1,000 years is not relevant?

 

[GEN2REV]

Even the removal of Lot from Sodom prefigures the Rapture.

This is an interesting parallel because it actually does resemble the end times, but not the Rapture.

The time which Lot lived among the Sons of Belial (Children of the devil) Genesis 13:13; Judges 19:22 in Sodom is more akin to the living through the Tribulation period 2 Peter 2:7, which all Christians who survive will do.

The removal of Lot was from the total destruction of that cursed place. That is Matthew 24:29-31 when Jesus comes on the very Last Day (just as it was for Sodom) and removes His people immediately before the world is destroyed by fire. "The sinners thereof" were destroyed just as it is when Jesus returns.

Christ's coming, immediately followed by "the end."
1 Corinthians 15:23-24
Isaiah 13:9-11

 

[GEN2REV]

Why is Paradise still in heaven during the 1,000 year reign of Christ? Do you think it remains empty for 1,000 years?

Nice.

That's a new one on me.

I like it.

 

[GEN2REV]

Christians are NOT subject to wrath.

The Tribulation is not the Wrath; it's not the Judgment and it's not the Day of the Lord.

All of those come ... guess when.

AFTER the Lord/God returns.

That's why they're called:
-The Wrath of God/the Lamb
-The Day of the Lord
-The Judgment (of the Judge)

 

[GEN2REV]

Read the Revelation 22:14-15 verses, and notice where the wicked are at that time. Those verses actually are about the Millennium time. And if the holy city is on earth during Christ's Millennium reign, and those are outside its gates, then that is the future abode of hell during the Millennium, except it's not called hell then. It is called the "outer darkness".

The Millennium theory ends in Revelation 20. In Truth, it's contradicted before, and after, that chapter, but for the sake of discussion, the scenario itself ends in chapter 20.

 

[michaelvpardo]

No. The Rapture is called "the Blessed Hope". But for those who would rather not go to Heaven, they should start petitioning the Lord to leave them on earth.

The resurrection is called the blessed hope, and the only verse about a rapture is at the first resurrection. Job didn't look forward to a rapture, he looked forward to the resurrection. The Pharisees were Pharisees because they looked forward to the resurrection, not some hidden rapture.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Our Blessed hope is: the glorious Return of Jesus. Titus 2:13
The 'rapture to heaven', is a false hope.

Prior to the incarnation, the blessed hope was the resurrection and Paul when being threatened in Jerusalem appealed to the Pharisees because of his belief in the resurrection. There is no resurrection if Christ didn't rise and we look forward to the redemption of our bodies at His return and our resurrection. Christ's ministry was entirely about the resurrection and new life.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. John 11:25