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The "we" being Calvinists, to the exclusion of others here?We are saved not by knowledge but by grace.
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The "we" being Calvinists, to the exclusion of others here?We are saved not by knowledge but by grace.
The "we" being Calvinists, to the exclusion of others here?
I wouldn't worry about it at all. They're only proving the fact men are not free in their will until in Christ and act out according to their fleshly nature. Thus all their insults, bearing false witness and mishandling the word of truth.Notice this...
We have a couple Modalists on here who deny the Trinity. The non-Calvinists 'like' post after post from them. Why? They believe in free will. Forget that these two Modalists are denying TWO Persons in the Godhead. There's room at the foot of the cross for these differences of opinion, right?
Let an Arianist come on here and say that the Christ is not God. If they believed in free will, the same non-Calvinists would 'like' post after post. Why? Because they believed in free will and there's room at the foot of the cross for these disagreements, right?
Then we have a Church of Cult on here who believes if your church doesn't have "Church of Cult meets here", and have been waterboarded...err..baptized, they're going to hell. They 'like' post after post from him, too. Why? He holds to free will and there is room at the foot of the cross for disagreements, right?
Then let a Calvinist come on here and say man's will is not free but bound to his nature, and they dump on him/her, call them lost, reprobate, all sorts of nasty things. There's plenty room at the foot of the cross for everyone but Calvinists.
Notice this...
We have a couple Modalists on here who deny the Trinity. The non-Calvinists 'like' post after post from them. Why? They believe in free will. Forget that these two Modalists are denying TWO Persons in the Godhead. There's room at the foot of the cross for these differences of opinion, right?
Let an Arianist come on here and say that the Christ is not God. If they believed in free will, the same non-Calvinists would 'like' post after post. Why? Because they believed in free will and there's room at the foot of the cross for these disagreements, right?
Then we have a Church of Cult on here who believes if your church doesn't have "Church of Cult meets here", and have been waterboarded...err..baptized, they're going to hell. They 'like' post after post from him, too. Why? He holds to free will and there is room at the foot of the cross for disagreements, right?
Then let a Calvinist come on here and say man's will is not free but bound to his nature, and they dump on him/her, call them lost, reprobate, all sorts of nasty things. There's plenty room at the foot of the cross for everyone but Calvinists.
That is completely false . The Reformed view is not that at all . Calvin himself said he knew of Catholics that were saved . Others through history have held to the view it was a work of God that one is saved and not through congregational membership or their soteriology . Note how one comes to their conclusions is the sticking point not if one is Reformed or not .But contrarywise, according to Calvinists there is only room at the foot of the cross for Calvinists because everyone else is following a false gospel.
No . Not at all . Try reading what Calvinist teach , you will see what you have said here is wrong .The "we" being Calvinists, to the exclusion of others here?
Well there is no doubt that (1) Calvinists believe that they are of the company of "the elect", and chosen for salvation, (2) Christ's atoning work is limited to the salvation of "the elect", and (3) any exposure of Calvinism as a false gospel must mean that those opposed to it are evil and teach heresy.Try reading what Calvinist teach , you will see what you have said here is wrong .
In other for the bolded to be true, you must have free will.No, we being all true believers. One rides on an airplane but doesn't know all the details in how to operate it. Listen, none of us has perfect knowledge of salvation. We all have come to our beliefs via studying the scriptures. I know MANY non-Calvinists who lived way godlier than I do.
Nope. This is post conversion not pre. He's speaking 1 Corinthians 2:14 concerning those who are the antithesis to the text.In other for the bolded to be true, you must have free will.
Why do you constantly address me as if you know me spiritually-wise?Try context here. The Greeks were seeking him. There's a hint for you as to the reason he said what he did.
Hmm. I cannot know I'm saved for sure unless I persevere. Sort of true. Funny that you're ridiculing that since you believe the same thing yourself. If you don't keep things up, you lose your salvation. But you also gained it yourself, so it follows, that's the real "otoh" here on two accounts.
Nope, not here to change your mind, just here to discuss Scripture. In context. *Have to edit this here after further thought. Yes, I am in fact ministering the word in order to see, by God's grace, minds changed, which is literally repentance. This is why we preach, teach, so the attempt to ridicule such an effort is rather shallow, nor well thought out to be honest. That said I'll leave my initial comment.
This, using context is something you absolutely refuse to do yourself. Why? Because doing so refutes your belief system, so, you avoid it.
I'm also here to stand against and refute errors such as yours and many others.
"Calling on the name of the LORD" is not a formula for salvation.
Sorry, you're wrong yet again. You're misusing the text.
No one does anything for salvation, but you think you've done it yourself, but, in fact, you cannot and therefore have not. You simply read things into texts with your presuppositions.
"Calling on the name of the LORD" is not speaking of an act for salvation, nor an incantation or formula that if done results in salvation.
Study out its meaning in Scripture instead of the kneejerk reacting and reading into it what's not there, which, by the way, goes against the balance of Scripture and Gospel truth. I know what it entails, and it's not a sinners prayer. No need to reduce and mitigate its truth in that manner.
The fact God shows no partiality has zero to do with the fact he elects to salvation. Wonder what it really means?
Here's a hint: Context.
I also have to address this, you said: "EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED. FOR THERE IS NO PARTIALITY WITH GOD. Romans 2:11"
The above is NOT what Romans 2:11 says, and I just noticed how you made it appear that's what it says. You added to the verse to make it appear it says that by adding the first 12 words. Not sure why you went and did that, but, you did, and frankly that's not cool at all. You've totally misrepresented the truth with that one. It's really shameful, please stop mishandling the word in that way. Read 2 Corinthians 2:17 and 2 Corinthians 4:1-5.
It's like using "God is no respecter of persons" to dismiss election. It's rather foolish, and many do it. The issue? It's ripped out of context.
Find out what it really means (that he shows no partiality.) It's not a text to pit against other texts that prove God elects to salvation as if it neutralizes this fact. 2 Timothy 2:15 is in order and you're failing to implement that because you refuse to use context.
Dude: if you, a Calvinist, have issue with the fact that I'm not a Calvinist, then you can blame the only being that has any culpability in Calvinist beliefs: God.Nope. This is post conversion not pre. He's speaking 1 Corinthians 2:14 concerning those who are the antithesis to the text.
None are free in any sense until in Christ; John 8:36.
None are saved by their will, and Scripture is clear on this. All are saved by grace, not merit via choosing. Those who do not believe in the true Christ, that He is "I am He..." will die in their sins, John 8:24, even if they believe they're saved or God's people. You do not believe who Christ claimed to be.
The pressing issue in your case: a false created Mormon Christ is not the true Messiah and such cannot save.
Please explain what John 8:36 means instead of just posting it and making some light comment which means nonthing?Nope. This is post conversion not pre. He's speaking 1 Corinthians 2:14 concerning those who are the antithesis to the text.
None are free in any sense until in Christ; John 8:36.
None are saved by their will, and Scripture is clear on this. All are saved by grace, not merit via choosing. Those who do not believe in the true Christ, that He is "I am He..." will die in their sins, John 8:24, even if they believe they're saved or God's people. You do not believe who Christ claimed to be.
The pressing issue in your case: a false created Mormon Christ is not the true Messiah and such cannot save.
Oh that was a good one!Dude: if you, a Calvinist, have issue with the fact that I'm not a Calvinist, then you can blame the only being that has any culpability in Calvinist beliefs: God.
Scripture is clear that we are not saved by our will?Nope. This is post conversion not pre. He's speaking 1 Corinthians 2:14 concerning those who are the antithesis to the text.
None are free in any sense until in Christ; John 8:36.
None are saved by their will, and Scripture is clear on this. All are saved by grace, not merit via choosing. Those who do not believe in the true Christ, that He is "I am He..." will die in their sins, John 8:24, even if they believe they're saved or God's people. You do not believe who Christ claimed to be.
The pressing issue in your case: a false created Mormon Christ is not the true Messiah and such cannot save.
Wow who teaches that? If you think Calvinist your wrong and are showing ignorance or your just setting up straw men to promote your understanding.What you should be concerning yourself with is the heresy that Christ died ONLY FOR the elect. That seriously contradicts the words of Christ Himself.
Scripture is clear that we are not saved by our will?
Again, no scripture.
Is that YOUR opinion, or did you read that in the bible or did you read that in the institutes or did you learn it in your church?
We here like to use the bible for proof texts.
@Enoch111 is 100% correct.Wow who teaches that? If you think Calvinist your wrong and are showing ignorance or your just setting up straw men to promote your understanding.
I think it’s out of ignorance try reading what Reformed theology teaches before you embarrass your self more .
Blessings
Bill
My comment wasn't really meant as a joke.Oh that was a good one!
LOL
Bill, it looks like you are the one who is ignorant of Reformed Theology. So here are the exact quotes from the Westminster Confession which say that Christ died only for those whom God had given Him (the so-called "elect"), and only those are the ones who are "effectually called":I think it’s out of ignorance try reading what Reformed theology teaches before you embarrass your self more.