What do you think this text says about the deity of Christ?

[justbyfaith]

Some people think that by being obnoxious, they will be blessed when people come against them over it. They think that they are being persecuted for righteousness' sake; but really it is for obnoxiousness' sake.

 

[Angelina]

You don't seem to realize that people who don't believe in the deity of Christ will use your doctrine as an excuse on their day of judgment but will in fact die in their sins because they didn't.

Your doctrine saddens me; because I know that someone may perish in hell eternally because of it.

If that doesn't concern you also, then I actually might go as far as to question your salvation.

People who are saved have the love of the Lord dwelling in them.

Eze 13:22, Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Bro... No-one is going to hell if they come to know Jesus. You are just adding extra things to his word that is not there. An added theology from someone's head. Not from God. :)

 

[Angelina]

You think that you are going to win points by insulting me?

I learned that from you, you know but I will not go the whole, hellfire and brimstone rubbish as you have done to me because it is in bad form.:)

 

[justbyfaith]

Bro... No is going to hell if they come to know Jesus. You are just adding extra things to his word that is not there. An added theology from someone's head. Not from God. :)

Jesus is God.

You can be sure that if someone comes to know Him they will become aware of that obvious fact in scripture.

I have said that if someone accepts Christ and hasn't heard that Jesus is God, they are not condemned. But if they find out about this doctrine and then reject it, it is a sign that they don't even know Christ!

 

[Angelina]

Some people think that by being obnoxious, they will be blessed when people come against them over it. They think that they are being persecuted for righteousness' sake; but really it is for obnoxiousness' sake.

hahahaha! that is funny! no I'm not being obnoxious. I am serious about the salvation message, that is all....

 

[justbyfaith]

Bro... No is going to hell if they come to know Jesus.

Someone who rejects the concept that Jesus is God doesn't know Him. Because that is who He is.

 

[Angelina]

Jesus is God.

You can be sure that if someone comes to know Him they will become aware of that obvious fact in scripture.

I have said that if someone accepts Christ and hasn't heard that Jesus is God, they are not condemned. But if they find out about this doctrine and then reject it, it is a sign that they don't even know Christ!

I have led thousands of people to the foot of the cross and none of them have turned back to the world accept those who have passed on and this lady who was bi-polar who is struggling a little.

JustByFaith said:

You can be sure that if someone comes to know Him they will become aware of that obvious fact in scripture.

The above is correct and is where the idea of the "deity of Christ should be". Not as part of the salvation message at the beginning but when the new believer is growing in grace and maturity in Christ in their daily walk........

PS: this is also what I have been trying to convey all this time....

 

[Josho]

I'm gonna be here all day! next.....:);)

Wow you really have been.

 

[Angelina]

Wow you really have been.

Yes @Josho, I sure have. :)

 

[justbyfaith]

If someone thinks that they have received Christ and then rejects that doctrine (of His Deity) when they hear about it, they have not received Christ as He truly is.

If someone doesn't believe in the Deity of Christ at the moment of death, they will die in their sins.

And I also think that you have mistaken my return to first love for immaturity, @Angelina.

You have insulted me on more than one occasion; whereas I have only tried to warn you of the consequences of your doctrine.

 

[Angelina]

If someone thinks that they have received Christ and then rejects that doctrine when they hear about it, they have not received Christ as He truly is.

If someone doesn't believe in the Deity of Christ at the moment of death, they will die in their sins.

And I also think that you have mistaken my return to first love for immaturity, @Angelina.

You have insulted me on more than one occasion; whereas I have only tried to warn you of the consequences of your doctrine.

Go back in the posts and see how many times you have insulted me bro. [without adjusting those posts] But I am bigger than that and I will bypass it because Jesus is Lord and because your theology is immature and erroneous.

PS: you were doing so well until you had to throw in that last passing shot. Bad form. ;)

 

[DNB]

We have actually shown from scripture how you are in the precarious position.

So, I'm all ears. Show from holy scripture how I'm in a precarious position.

Answer the question JBF. I said that that only thing that you have been able to extrapolate from Scripture, is a doctrine that is absurd, implausible and incomprehensible both to you, and all the other trinitarian proponents out there.
Are you willing to admit this much?

And then, explain to us how a doctrine that, according to you, is requisite for salvation, does not have a single term or nomenclature in line with its definition, found from anywhere in Scripture (god-man, incarnate, God the Son, trinity/triune, three-in-one, two-in one natures, ...)?
Then, why not one single conversion narrative found within the New Testament, employed a trinitarian formula in order to ensure the salvation of, or even compel, those who actually came to Christ?
And we can go on...

So, you're cherry picking of such isolated and ambiguous verses, in order to substantiate your undeniably convoluted and ignoble doctrine, incriminates both the veracity and viability of doctrine, and your exegetical prowess.

There is no way under the sun that you will address the first two fundamental points.

 

[Renniks]

Consider the infant who is held in his natural father's arms for the first time. What kind of relationship is this until they get to know one another? The father knows, but what does the child know?

We aren't talking about infants. We are talking about people who insist on wrong doctrine, and make Jesus someone far less than he claimed to be.

 

[justbyfaith]

Go back in the posts and see how many times you have insulted me bro.

Sorry, I'm lazy about that sort of thing. You copy and paste 'em.

edit: changed my mind, and copied and pasted what I think you may have misconstrued as insulting myself.

What do you think this text says about the deity of Christ?

 

[justbyfaith]

Answer the question JBF. I said that that only thing that you have been able to extrapolate from Scripture, is a doctrine that is absurd, implausible and incomprehensible both to you, and all the other trinitarian proponents out there.
Are you willing to admit this much?

And then, explain to us how a doctrine that, according to you, is requisite for salvation, does not have a single term or nomenclature in line with its definition, found from anywhere in Scripture (god-man, incarnate, God the Son, trinity/triune, three-in-one, two-in one natures, ...)?
Then, why not one single conversion narrative found within the New Testament, employed a trinitarian formula in order to ensure the salvation of, or even compel, those who actually came to Christ?
And we can go on...

So, you're cherry picking of such isolated and ambiguous verses, in order to substantiate your undeniably convoluted and ignoble doctrine, incriminates both the veracity and viability of doctrine, and your exegetical prowess.

There is no way under the sun that you will address the first two fundamental points.

True Trinity.

 

[justbyfaith]

I tried to include everything that you might consider to be insulting from the perspective that you have.

Some of these were in response to insulting statements by you.

Another majority of them are not actually insults at all.

I will allow the reader to judge which of these statements are real insults and which of them are over-extrapolated.

Exodus 3:14 John 8:24 unless you believe in the Deity of Christ you will die in your sins.

It is possible to believe in the wrong Jesus, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4.

You don't have to believe the truth from my perspective; though your salvation depends on it.

Jesus will be your judge, not me.

But if you don't believe the scriptures referenced, ask yourself whether you really believe in Jesus; and also remember John 3:16.

We've already pointed out the verses. Go back and read the entire thread and look up the verses referenced in our posts.

You have every right in this country to reject the truth of God's word.

That is not true according to the scripture at hand.

Even the things spoken directly to the scribes and Pharisees may apply to any one of us...you have to search your own heart to determine whether it is speaking to you or not.

So Jesus' words don't apply to Gentiles?

Hogwash!

You can reject the truth if you want; you have every right to do so in this country.

Thus you will be responsible for their damnation.

I hadn't noticed that you live in New Zealand; maybe you don't have that right; for all I know.

This is a repeat post.

Praying for you, @APAK, @Angelina, @bbyrd009, and @amadeus.

@Angelina, please answer post #172 (What do you think this text says about the deity of Christ?).

Thank you,

@justbyfaith.

This is not an answer to the specific questions in my post.

@Angelina,

I want you to specifically answer my question about Philippians.

I realize that you don't have an adequate answer for my question that will help your opinion...

Of course, you can reject that truth if you want.

But if you are in the habit of rejecting truth, beware that you don't reject the truth that can actually save you.

Glad to hear it. Because it seems like you've been trying to avoid that one.

Amen, I hope that you will take those words to heart.

Matthew 7:1-5.

It is preposterous to say that Gentiles are not condemned by the same unbelief that would condemn a Jew.

You are very prejudiced; and I see that as pride.

What I see is that you yourself are judging me as being prideful while neglecting to see the pride in your own heart.

Back at 'ya.

Some people think that by being obnoxious, they will be blessed when people come against them over it. They think that they are being persecuted for righteousness' sake; but really it is for obnoxiousness' sake.

Personally, I think that only about three or four of the posts in question qualify as actual insults; and I believe that they were justified.

I don't need to count the times that you have insulted me on this thread; but I encourage you to also go back and take a look at your own conduct.

I will be surprised if you will be able to post all of the times that you have also insulted me.

 

[justbyfaith]

Go back in the posts and see how many times you have insulted me bro. [without adjusting those posts] But I am bigger than that and I will bypass it because Jesus is Lord and because your theology is immature and erroneous.

PS: you were doing so well until you had to throw in that last passing shot. Bad form. ;)

And there you go, adding two to three more insults on your part.

But I suppose that you are justified in doing so because I have also insulted you in response to your insults against me.

I should have never returned in kind, I apologize.

We ought not to stoop to the level of those who are less than Christian in their conduct.

 

[justbyfaith]

And now, I pray that we might be able to heed the words of Paul in Galatians 5:15.

What say you?

 

[justbyfaith]

I have led thousands of people to the foot of the cross and none of them have turned back

You sound like you're very proud of yourself.

Some of them probably don't or won't (in the future) believe in the Deity of Christ and if they die not believing in that, it will be in their sins.

 

[justbyfaith]

I learned that from you, you know but I will not go the whole, hellfire and brimstone rubbish as you have done to me because it is in bad form.:)

I have not in any way said that you, personally, are going to hell. Read my words more carefully.

I say to you truly that the Lord will be the judge of that.

But I have said that I do not want to be you on that day if people are going to hell because of you.

If you don't go to hell yourself, you will at the very least be out of a good reward. Wood, hay, stubble.