GINOLJC, to all. I believe that there is one GOD, and I believe we all agree on this. but the sticking point in our beliefs is the Number of "person", or "Persons" in the Godhead. and as Christians we must not be divided. our brother Amos said, "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" (Amos 3:3). the apostle, to the gentiles, our brother Paul said this, 1 Corinthians 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment". this is my Goal. I have enjoyed the discussion thus for. but like our apostle said, we have been on milk now it's time for meat, strong meat, so that we may grown in the Lord, Amen.
all of you have been beautifully great, asking the right question, examining unknown question, and seeking truth, this is great, because it all have been done in the Spirit of the Lord, and I thank you for that. now it's time to get down to business.
Let's put this immortality and Eternal question to rest, once and for all. to do this we must use scripture. I propose this, since some think that you have to have a body to be immortal, and I guess eternal is to be without one, lets see if this is true. the premise is that the Lord Jesus being a separate PERSON is the ONLY ONE with IMMORTALITY. well if I say that the one whom most calls the Father and the Holy Spirit have the same Body then they also must be IMMORTAL as well right. and if I can prove that the PERSON(S) in the trinity is only one, then it fails, because the Lord Jesus as the scriptures states that he is a single person, the only one who have immortality. and if single, the other two father and holy spirit must have bodies also. to easily answer this question, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". but remember our Lord JESUS is a separate person according to the trinity. so, should this apply to the Father, and the Holy Ghost? as also separate person?. let's see. if I can prove that the Lord Jesus is the Father in flesh then the one whom you calls Father must be IMMORTAL also, because Jesus is the ONLY ONE who have IMMORTALITY right.
Evidence #1. the Lord Jesus is the Father. there is ONLY ONE saviour right. Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour". here the LORD all caps say that he is the saviour. but I thought the Lord, all lower case except for the "L" is the saviour. remember this, Luke 2:11 "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord". here, saviour is G4990 σωτήρ soter (sō-teer') n. it means,
1. a savior (i.e. a rescuer).
2. (of a journey) a protector and defender (i.e. one who keeps another safe).
3. (generally) God as Savior and Protector/Defender.
4. (specifically) Jesus (Yeshua), the Anointed-One, Christ, Messiah.
[from G4982]
KJV: saviour
in Isaiah 43:11 saviour is H3467 יָשַׁע yasha` (yaw-shah') v. it means,
1. (properly) to be open, wide or free from captivity.
2. (by implication) to be safe.
3. (causatively) to rescue or succor.
[a primitive root]
KJV: X at all, avenging, defend, deliver(-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save(-iour), get victory.
Look at all the blue that match up. so we clearly see that the LORD (whom many calls father) is the son, Lord in flesh. and with that, the LORD whom you calls Father is the Lord whom you calls son is the SAME ONE PERSON. and knowing that then the Father have the same body and is IMMORTAL. well now you have a problem with the trinity doctrine, because your doctrine say the Father is not the Son and vice versa. but the BIBLE say different. let's discuss this for today. I have many more scripture to get to on this premise. but in the meantime examine these scriptures.
