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Curtis

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Another example is how Joyce Meyers used tongues as a sign of God was calling her into the ministry.

Shes a Baptist. She has never said one word about tongues in her teaching, and when I heard her speak of how she was called into the teaching ministry, she said nothing whatsoever about tongues.
 

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So explain the type of sign that tongues are for the unbeliever in 1 Corinthians 14:22
Paul said tongues are NOT a sign for the believer, but for the unbeliever.

Tongues of course can’t be a sign FOR believers, because it’s a sign that FOLLOWS those who believe.

No believer looks at tongues as a sign FOR them, but speaking IN tongues is the sign they are spirit filled.
 

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A couple of years ago on TV, or I read it, but can't remember who said it. But that coincides with why it was alright with God that I teach. Those two verses break up the flow of the subject about prophets.

Seeing as how we are both on the same side in this particular debate, I'll put off that discussion for some time down the road maybe. But just for future reference, when looking strictly at the manuscript data, I don't think they would have a case. Those two verses are supported in every extant text we have to date.

But carry on. Sorry I interrupted. :)
 

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Fine, you can tell the Holy Spirit what He can and cannot do.

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matthew 12:31-32)

7 But if you had known what this means: ‘I desire compassion, rather than sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:7-8)

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Women are not allowed to speak in church as this is a commandment from the Lord

I'll let Paul Washer talk then
 
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Curtis, I've added to your post how I think some understand things differently (not correcting you but providing a different view that some take). This is always been the challenge regarding (tongues / languages). Understanding the difference in an Angelic supernatural tongue and known and unknown languages in the world at that time. It would certainly be a gift to person commissioned to take the Gospel to the world if the Holy Spirit gives them the gift to speak to people in their native languages. I myself struggle in the separation of language and tongue in the scriptures. I can easily understand how some would see both ways. I'm not dogmatic about it but I do feel strongly that the extreme behavior in some Charismatic Churches is not Biblical. IMHO some discount the gifts too much and others elevate the gifts too much. Some ignore it and others make it the center piece of their doctrine. IMHO both camps are in error. Satan throws everything he can at us.

I do not believe that the gifts ceased after the 1 century. They are revenant today. Not every manifestation is truly a gift of the Holy Spirit. Many have walked away from God because someone told them if they do not speak in an unknown tongue they are not saved. God will judge. The scriptures gives us many examples of those who were saved without any evidence of spiritual gifts. I do not understand how some Churches have all emphasis on tongues or healings and the full word of God never reaches many in these Churches. Every sermon is from an evangelist trying to save the choir over and over again. They I think are much like the Church of Ephesus, they have abandoned the more important things.
The United Pentecostal Church - not to be confused with regular Pentecostals, claim you must speak in tongues when water baptized, or you’re not saved - which is absolutely wrong.

How many languages Paul spoke is irrelevant, because when he spoke in tongues, he had no idea what he was saying, as can be seen in various bible translations:

1 Corinthians 14:14

(KJV) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

(ESV) For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

(ISV) For if I pray in another language, my spirit prays but my mind is not productive.

(YLT) for if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit doth pray, and my understanding is unfruitful.

(GNB) For if I pray in this way, my spirit prays indeed, but my mind has no part in it.

(NET) If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive.

(TPT) For if I am praying in a tongue, my spirit is engaged in prayer but I have no clear understanding of what is being said.

1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Paul states he prays both normally, with his understanding, and in tongues, with no understanding.
 

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But yet all the hype is on tongues for private use to seek after by having another baptism with the Holy Ghost? This is an apostate calling.



Not really, because you are affirming what I have been saying all along that tongues is not for private use because the real God's gift of tongues would come with interpretation; see?



I believe in the real God's gift of tongues as speaking unto the people.

It is because there is such a thing as pagan supernatural tongues which was in the world before Pentecost came and still is, that is just gibberish nonsense ( Isaiah 8:19 ) is why I do not believe that tongues for private use is of Him at all.

Tongues for private use has been linked to that apostate calling of seeking another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues. That tongue will never come with interpretation because it is not a foreign language of men at all, therefore not the real God's gift of tongues.

There can be n partiality in this because how can sinners know they have departed from those spirits & that kind of tongues when they come to Christian church if the church did the same thing? How can a church know if sinners had departed from those spirits & that tongue if they speak in gibberish nonsense as the church does? Is God the author of confusion? No, and yet we are called to prove everything and abstain from all appearances of evil.

So that would be tough to do if a church assumes tongues can ALSO be for private use because it is not coming with interpretation.



Paul said not to speak in tongues in church without an interpreter, yet so obviously prayed in tongues privately too, because he said when he prayed in the spirit, he had no understanding of what was being prayed:

1 Corinthians 14:14

(KJV) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

(ASV) For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

(ESV) For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

(ISV) For if I pray in another language, my spirit prays but my mind is not productive.

(YLT) for if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit doth pray, and my understanding is unfruitful.

(GNB) For if I pray in this way, my spirit prays indeed, but my mind has no part in it.

(NET) If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive.

(TPT) For if I am praying in a tongue, my spirit is engaged in prayer but I have no understanding of what is being said.
 

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Like I had asked, would the Holy Spirit break the Lord's commandment by manifesting tongues in women or even to prophesy or to teach?

Since I was a little too subtle in my scripture references...

In Matthew chapter 12, Jesus healed on the Sabbath. Would the Holy Spirit break the Lord's commandment by working on the Sabbath? So, they accused Jesus of casting out demons through Beelzebul. But the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath and has the sovereign right to do good works on the Sabbath.

Similarly, would the Holy Spirit break the Lord's commandment by speaking through a faithful woman in church? So, you accuse my friend of speaking through an evil spirit (which I personally do not appreciate in the least). But the Son of Man is Lord of His Church and has the sovereign right to speak through whomever He pleases, and to do a good work in His Church.
 
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Wrong again.

Women can preach, women can teach women and children, women can minister to women with every spiritual gift available - they are only restricted from having authority over a congregation that has men in it.

And they can certainly pray in tongues as their private prayer language at home, all they want.

Jesus said the sign of speaking in tongues follows though who believe, which includes women believers.

I disagree. No point sharing scriptures when you are not reading them no addressing them for why I say what I say.
 

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My teaching is through books. You can read them or leave them. But God does the teaching. I just write what He teaches me through being able to hear his voice. Here is a review on the book on tongues He wrote through me. My next two books will be on grace and faith.

"I have been a Pentecostal/Charismatic for 50 years. I have read most books on the gift of tongues. I have found this book the best I have ever read. It is well researched, and she uses a good combination of Scriptures to build a very strong foundation for what she has discovered, both through the New Testament and through hers and others experiences in how the gift has been used in Bible times and in the modern day. I was really blessed by reading this book, and I would recommend it to anyone who wants to know the truth about the gift of tongues and how it is a sign, and especially for those who are seeking for the gift. Buy it! Read it! You will definitely not be disappointed. And this is coming from one who has an M.A. in English Literature, and an M.Div, and who is very discriminating when it comes to receiving literature on the gifts of the Spirit, especially tongues! Also, she has written other books, and if they are as well researched and Scriptural as this one, I intend to buy them as well!"

I'd prove the books by the scripture with Jesus Christ and not take them nor anything else at face value.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.... 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Reading most books on the gift of tongues is being taught by men.

I could say I read books from Cessationists for why I believe, but I do not because I believe the scriptures about the gifts of the Spirit.

The scripture I have referenced goes contrary to using tongues for private use for why I say that cannot be God's gift of tongues. Never.
 

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Nobody else came to his house to have church service. Philip was just giving them a place to stay at.

How do you know that? The text reads:

8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. 10 And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ” 12 Now when we heard these things, both we and those from that place pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem.

The Greek words translated "and those of that place" (καὶ οἱ ἐντόπιοι) mean literally "local residents" or "inhabitants of that region." The word doesn't suggest it was just the people he mentions in the passage.
 

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There is a filling of the Holy Spirit aka baptism of the Holy Spirit that occurs by a spirit filled believer laying hands on them, and speaking in tongues is the evidence they received it.

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.

Paul did not know what kind of disciples they were for why it was written "certain disciples" in Acts 19:1. This was written because there are 3 kinds of disciples in Paul's days; the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's & the disciples of Jesus Christ.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?

That is why Paul had asked what water baptism they were under and it was John the Baptist's. They were not believers in Jesus Christ otherwise they would have been water baptized in Jesus's name. So Paul told then about Jesus Christ as being the One John the Baptist was talking about. Then they believed in Him and got water baptized in Jesus name and got born again of the Spirit.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

How did Simon know something happened that showed him they’d received the Holy Spirit?

They spoke in tongues.

It was not written that they had spoken in tongues. There would be no need to speak in a foreign language because they were all Samaritans.

Tongues of course can’t be a sign FOR believers, because tongues are a sign that FOLLOWS those who believe:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


Now try and convince me that those who preach that false teaching that "if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the holy Spirit and therefore you are not saved," cannot use what you just did in applying scripture in that way. Unless you believe as they do? If not, you do seem to come across as tongues should be following believers all the time and if not...? What?

The whole point of 1 Corinthians 14 is the correct way to use spiritual gifts during church services - he said it’s not good for an unbeliever to hear the whole congregation speaking in unknown tongues that aren’t interpreted, so not to use them in church services UNLESS one with the gift of interpreting tongues can explain what was said, OTHERWISE prophesy was the best gift to use - because it’s not spoken in tongues.

So tongues in church services are just fine, as long as someone interprets them, and even then, limit it to a maximum of three tongues messages that are interpreted.

Paul in fact ordered the church at Corinth NOT to forbid tongues, so obviously they had done that, which is why Paul explained all about spiritual gifts and the correct way to use them in his epistle to them.

I believe God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native foreign tongue, for why it will come with interpretation in the assembly.

I do not believe God's gift of tongues can also be used for private use, especially when most testimonies have it gained by seeking another baptism with the holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or by that sign of tongues as they used to give that ending to that apostate calling.

Now see my concern for you in the scriptures below.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

That is Biblical proof that a supernatural tongue in gibberish nonsense was present in mediums & wizards wat before Pentecost. If we are to prove all things an abstain from all appearances of evil, God will never use His real gift of tongues and turn it around to be like their pagan supernatural tongue. How can sinners repent if the church speak the same way they have? How can churches know they had repented if they speak the same way the church does? Therefore God's gift of tongues are not for private use for why that supernatural tongue is not of Him at all.

Another thing done by that apostate calling is how believers fall down in a loss of self control.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

That is what they get for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

All that falling down..& it doesn't stop at that "another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues". No. It also happens again and again and again in slain in the spirit phenomenon, holy laughter movement, Pensacola outpouring, Toronto's Blessings and even Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade where he announces the Holy spirit falling on already saved believers for a miracle while causing them to fall back in confusion. All that is chaos a& confusion & disorderly which God is not the author of nor can He ever be as tongues for private use cannot be His gift of tongues.

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
 
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The scripture I have referenced goes contrary to using tongues for private use for why I say that cannot be God's gift of tongues. Never.


My apologies, but I haven't been able to keep up with everyone else's posts, Christ4Me. But if you could, what is your interpretation of the following passage. More specifically, if you could, please define for me what you interpret the phrase "praying in tongues" to be referring to:

13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
 

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I suppose she can, LoL, but I think you are drifting farther and farther from a natural reading of the text. The natural flow of the verse suggests she gave thanks to God verbally in the temple, and then proceeded to inform those present verbally that the Messiah had finally come. I think that as a prophetess she knew by the Spirit of God what she was witnessing, and it was likely one of those things where if she hadn't declared what she was witnessing, the rocks themselves would have cried out.

But to each his own. I appreciate you batting it back and forth.

The problem is.. although you can see me as doing that, but the real plainness of the text where it is a commandment from the Lord for why women do not speak in the assembly. So my reading of the text is in alignment with the Lord's command.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

I just do not see how you can align scripture to the Lord's commandment, but I can explain what is written as being in truth with the Lord's commandment even though you seem to be thinking I am going away from the reading of the text but how you are reading it to mean infers your belie while ignoring the Lord's commandment.

There is even a rebuke to the church at Thyatira in the Book of Revelation for allowing a woman to teach in the assembly.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

This woman taught & seduce believers into believing they can depart from faith in chasing after spirits, as in seeking another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which is speaking the utter depths of Satan for which they speak.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Tell me what that church needs to do in order to repent & be ready to avoid being left behind at the rapture event?

I'd say return to our first love, Jesus Christ, and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign, and shun using tongues for private use, and pray normally so we can know what we had prayed for and give the Father thanks in Jesus's name which is the will of God for us to do.

Thanks for sharing.
 

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Well now, I know this is your position, but what I am asking you for is what would be the reasoning behind it. Why would God allow women to teach men outside the assembly, but not allow women to teach men inside of it?

Because the commandment from the Lord is regarding the assembly where men are the head of the women even at home.

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Maybe then you can read these other references as aligning better as to why it is the commandment of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
 

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The problem is.. although you can see me as doing that, but the real plainness of the text where it is a commandment from the Lord for why women do not speak in the assembly. So my reading of the text is in alignment with the Lord's command.

I haven't addressed those passages yet.
There is even a rebuke to the church at Thyatira in the Book of Revelation for allowing a woman to teach in the assembly.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

I'm well aware of this passage. I've cited it in maybe 8-10 different Bible studies that I've written. But this is addressing a woman who was a Gnostic heretic, not simply a Christian woman, and it addresses her alone, not women in general. Different things.
chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign, and shun using tongues for private use,

Ah, but see, I pray in tongues and should do so more regularly, not less. But I didn't "chase after it." It was not even something I pursued. It was something I began to move in after I was baptized in the Holy Spirit.

You just posted again, so let me see if you addressed my question of how you define the phrase "praying in tongues." That's pertinent to our present discussion.
 

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My apologies, but I haven't been able to keep up with everyone else's posts, Christ4Me. But if you could, what is your interpretation of the following passage. More specifically, if you could, please define for me what you interpret the phrase "praying in tongues" to be referring to:

Paul is saying that when he speaks in tongues, he is praying that somebody will interpret otherwise he will not understand it and therefore the tongue will not be fruitful to himself until someone does.

Paul clarified that it is his spirit that is praying; not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues to speak unto the people, but Paul would be praying that someone would interpret so he would understand it so that the tongue would be fruitful unto himself by being edified.

13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
 

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Because the commandment from the Lord is regarding the assembly where men are the head of the women even at home.

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Maybe then you can read these other references as aligning better as to why it is the commandment of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

But you see, I'm also well aware of all these passages. What I am asking you specifically is why would He allow it outside the church if He is not allowing it inside? In other words, what would the logic of that be? If wives were to set an example of submission to their husbands in homes and in churches, why should they set no such similar example before the world?